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A07868 The Iesuits antepast conteining, a repy against a pretensed aunswere to the Downe-fall of poperie, lately published by a masked Iesuite Robert Parsons by name, though he hide himselfe couertly vnder the letters of S.R. which may fitly be interpreted (a sawcy rebell.) Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1608 (1608) STC 1824; ESTC S101472 156,665 240

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thing the King scorned to do Yea the constitution is expressely related in the Popes Extrauagant which beginneth thus Vnam sanctum set downe in the sixt book of the Decretals And as Gratianus reporteth Pope Nicolas taught the same Doctrine How impudent therefore is our fund Iesuite which denyeth such a manifest trueth But let vs heare what their famous Pope Gregory saith Si ego servus eorum in morte Longobardorum me miscere valuissem hodie Longobardorum gens nec regem nec duces nec con●ites haberet atque in summa confusione esset deuisa Sed quia deū times in mortem cuiuslibet hominis me miscere formido If I their seruant woulde haue intangled my selfe in the death of the Lombardes the Nation of the Lombardes shoulde this day neyther haue had a King nor Dukes nor Counties but should haue bene in the greatest confusion But because I feare GOD I am affraide to intrude my selfe into the death of any man Loe Gentle Reader for the space of 600. yeares and odde the Byshops of Rome durst not deale in absoluing subiects from their alegeance nor in murdering of Kings and Emperors And why I pray you This their owne deare Saint Gregory surnamed the great telleth vs because he feared God consequently the late Bishops of Rome dare embrue their harts hands in the bloud of Gods anointed because they haue not the feare of GOD before their eyes Yea the Popes owne Monke as wee haue heard out of Sigebert already pronounced it flat Heresie to absolue subiects from the allegeance due vnto their Soueraigne And what saith theyr Pontaus Burdegalensis these are his words Hic primus caepit francos iuramento fidlitatis absoeluere This Pope Zachary was the first that absolued the Frenchmen from the oath of their fealty and allegeance This Pope liued about the yeare of our Lord God 752. so that it was neuer heard of among the French-men for the space of 750. yeares that the Byshop of Rome tooke vpon him to absolue subiects from their oth allegeance to their Soueraigne And Sigebertus proceedeth further reproueth it as a Nouelty or rather Heresie lately crept into the Church And who I pray you can doe this but Christ Iesus as true God so true man Doth not he challenge the right at the least of the spirituall sword that taketh vpon him to absolue subiects from the oth of their allegeance Nay doth hee not take vnto him the right of both swords For absolution I am well assured is euen by popish Doctrine an act of spirituall iurisdiction and to serue the prince is a secular and meere ciuil act Antoninus sometime Arch-byshop of Florence and a Popish cannonized Saint telleth vs without blushing that the Pope is Christs Vicar on earth hath equal power with God almighty These are his expresse words Cum autē Vicarius Christi si papa c. For seeing the Po. is the Vicar of Christ none can lawfully withdraw himselfe from his obedience as none can lawfully withdraw himselfe from Gods obedience And as Christ receiued of his father the Dukedome and scepter of the Gentiles arising of Israel ouer all principality and power and aboue euery thing that hath being that to him euery knee may bend euen so Christe hath committed most full power to Peter and his successors Thus writeth our holy Arch-byshop Antoninus Out of whose wordes I obserue first that as Christ is the the head ouer his Church so is the Pope or Byshoppe of Rome head of the same Secondly that as Christ receiued of God the Dukedom ouer all power so hath the Pope receiued the same power of Christ. Thirdly that as Christ hath power aboue and ouer euery thing whatsoeuer hath any being so hath the Pope Fourthly that as to Christ euery knee must be bowed so also to the Pope Now if this be not to challenge the royall right of both swords let the indifferent Reader iudge Neither is it to the purpose to say that hee challengeth not Royall right For I weene our Iesuite will not deny Royall right vnto Christ who is Lord of heauen and earth true God true priest and true King And yet doth Antoninus ascribe and yeeld vnto the pope all power ouer all that hath any being in as ample and large manner as Christ himselfe hath it Yea that Omnia genna al knees must bow to the pope And the vsuall practise of papists do confirme the same euen to the popes good liking For he must be carried vpon mens shoulders and men kneeling must kisse the shoo of his foot or else not be thought to loue Christ or S. Peter This my selfe being an eye-witnesse thereof am able to testifie When Gregory the thirteenth of that name came to the English Colledge in Rome all the Students vvere appointed by the Iesuite then maister of the Colledge to come two after two before him sitting in a ●haire and to kneele downe on both knees in a great chamber three seueral times before they offred to kisse his foot And while they kissed his foot or the shoo of his foot one after another the rest followed as it wer in procession falling down three times as is already said But let vs heare the Verdict of Fryer Austen de Ancona The Pope saith he as he that is the Vicar of the sonne of the heauenly Emperor hath Vniuersal iurisdiction ouer al kingdomes and Empires And is not this power ouer both swordes Is not this to challenge power proper to God alone I weene it is let others iudge S. R. But the words which Bell most vrgeth are that the Pope can make something of nothing For saith he it is a thing propper to God alone to make something of nothing in all cases and at all times T. B. I say so good Iesuite neither are you able with the help of all your Iesuiticall broode whom for all that I confesse to be very learned to proue the contrarie while the world stands S. R. But besides that the glosse neither saith that the pope can make De nihilo aliquid but de nullo aliquid neyther yet in al cases and at al times as Bell addeth the foresaid words are taken our of Iustinian C. de rei vxor act lib. 1. where the Emperor saith that because he can make to be accounted a stipulation where none is much more he can an insufficient stipulation to be sufficient And the like authority in humane contractes touching spirituall matters the glosse attributeth to the Pope And this hee meant when he said the Pope can de nullo facere aliquid of no contract make one Which Bell would apply to creation and making creatures of nothing as God made the world T. B. For Christs sake gentle Reader be heere an indifferent iudge betweene our Iesuite and mee Which if thou shalt truely affirme thou canst not but cleerly behold that our Iesuite is at his wits end what to say or write