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A40102 A vindication of the Friendly conference, between a minister and a parishioner of his inclining unto Quakerism, &c. from the exceptions of Thomas Ellwood, in his pretended answer to the said conference / by the same author. Fowler, Edward, 1632-1714.; Ellwood, Thomas, 1639-1713. 1678 (1678) Wing F1729; ESTC R20275 188,159 354

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it_o another_o day_n or_o will_v it_o not_o be_v say_v to_o they_o at_o the_o great_a day_n who_o require_v this_o at_o your_o hand_n it_o be_v the_o cause_n which_o make_v a_o martyr_n and_o it_o be_v not_o bare_o suffer_v fine_n imprisonment_n or_o death_n itself_o that_o god_n accept_v for_o there_o be_v sufferer_n of_o all_o opinion_n filthy_a mahomet_n have_v not_o 10._o want_v those_o that_o have_v die_v for_o he_o christ_n its_o true_a say_v bless_a be_v they_o which_o be_v persecute_v but_o then_o he_o add_v for_o righteousness_n sake_n and_o though_o i_o give_v my_o body_n to_o be_v burn_v and_o have_v not_o charity_n it_o profit_v i_o nothing_o 1_o cor._n 13._o 3._o kiss_v then_o and_o lay_v the_o hand_n upon_o the_o book_n be_v by_o all_o side_n account_v no_o essential_a part_n of_o a_o oath_n my_o wonder_n then_o be_v what_o the_o quaker_n here_o aim_v at_o unless_o it_o be_v to_o prove_v his_o own_o party_n cross_v and_o peevish_a who_o it_o seem_v do_v obstinate_o suffer_v for_o that_o wherein_o our_o saviour_n prohibition_n be_v no_o way_n concern_v par._n however_o he_o hope_v that_o the_o magistrate_n for_o the_o future_a will_v be_v induce_v to_o exercise_v more_o moderation_n and_o gentleness_n and_o not_o to_o expose_v their_o honest_a neighbour_n to_o so_o great_a suffering_n for_o mere_a ceremony_n when_o the_o sum_n and_o substance_n be_v effectual_o answer_v by_o their_o speak_v the_o plain_a and_o naked_a truth_n in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n ibid._n min._n we_o can_v speak_v no_o where_o but_o in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n what_o security_n be_v this_o to_o the_o magistrate_n every_o liar_n speak_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n for_o where_o can_v he_o flee_v from_o his_o presence_n 139._o par._n i_o suppose_v t._n e.'s_n meaning_n be_v that_o if_o the_o magistrate_n will_v dispense_v with_o their_o kiss_n of_o the_o book_n etc._n etc._n they_o will_v assure_v they_o that_o what_o they_o speak_v be_v the_o plain_a and_o naked_a truth_n as_o they_o be_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n min._n this_o either_o be_v his_o meaning_n or_o else_o he_o plain_o equivocate_v wherefore_o let_v we_o take_v the_o quaker_n in_o the_o best_a sense_n and_o suppose_v that_o he_o equivocate_v not_o yet_o here_o must_v i_o tell_v he_o that_o speak_v thus_o in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n be_v the_o sum_n and_o substance_n of_o a_o oath_n this_o remind_v i_o of_o a_o passage_n which_o happen_v some_o few_o year_n ago_o the_o king_n and_o council_n order_n that_o all_o person_n in_o any_o military_a employment_n shall_v be_v oblige_v to_o take_v the_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n and_o supremacy_n otherwise_o to_o quit_v the_o service_n a_o ignorant_a soldier_n who_o be_v a_o papist_n as_o the_o story_n go_v consult_v his_o confessor_n whether_o he_o may_v take_v the_o oath_n who_o tell_v he_o that_o he_o may_v take_v the_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n but_o not_o that_o of_o supremacy_n but_o it_o seem_v this_o soldier_n understand_v he_o quite_o wrong_a and_o when_o he_o come_v to_o swear_v take_v the_o oath_n of_o supremacy_n but_o absolute_o refuse_v the_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n for_o which_o he_o be_v cashier_v no_o less_o ignorant_a be_v the_o quaker_n who_o it_o seem_v do_v not_o real_o scruple_n the_o sum_n and_o substance_n of_o a_o oath_n but_o at_o the_o form_n and_o manner_n of_o take_v it_o to_o speak_v thus_o in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n i._n e._n to_o appeal_v to_o he_o as_o a_o witness_n of_o their_o sincerity_n be_v what_o it_o seem_v they_o dare_v yield_v unto_o but_o to_o lay_v their_o hand_n on_o the_o book_n and_o kiss_v it_o though_o t._n e._n call_v it_o a_o mere_a ceremony_n yet_o be_v it_o so_o enormous_a that_o they_o will_v rather_o suffer_v fine_n imprisonment_n nay_o what_o not_o than_o they_o will_v do_v it_o now_o how_o ridiculous_a this_o be_v let_v all_o of_o even_o common_a sense_n and_o reason_n judge_v and_o determine_v however_o if_o the_o magistrate_n will_v be_v content_a to_o take_v the_o quaker_n oath_n without_o kiss_v of_o the_o book_n i_o be_o willing_a that_o they_o have_v my_o suffrage_n if_o it_o may_v signify_v any_o thing_n for_o a_o dispensation_n par._n at_o length_n t._n e._n be_v come_v to_o those_o two_o notable_a text_n mat._n 5._o 34._o swear_v not_o at_o all_o and_o jam._n 5._o 12._o above_o all_o thing_n my_o brethren_n swear_v not_o these_o say_v he_o stand_v like_o two_o immovable_a rock_n against_o which_o all_o the_o contender_n for_o swear_v have_v hitherto_o be_v sp●…t_o these_o two_o bishop_n gawden_n confess_v to_o be_v not_o able_a text_n which_o seem_v to_o stand_v as_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o lord_n against_o balaam_n etc._n etc._n p._n 170_o 171._o min._n if_o big_a swell_a word_n be_v true_a argument_n i_o must_v then_o acknowledge_v my_o book_n baffle_v to_o all_o intent_n and_o purpose_n but_o i_o must_v desire_v the_o quaker_n to_o take_v notice_n as_o fierce_o as_o he_o lay_v about_o he_o that_o bishop_n gawden_n do_v not_o say_v that_o these_o text_n do_v real_o stand_v etc._n etc._n but_o seem_v to_o stand_v that_o be_v not_o to_o know_v and_o considerative_a man_n but_o to_o such_o as_o t._n e._n who_o take_v a_o bush_n for_o a_o bear_n which_o make_v i_o recall_v a_o say_n which_o i_o hear_v from_o the_o mouth_n of_o that_o reverend_n and_o pious_a prelate_n alas_o say_v he_o our_o dissenter_n may_v be_v true_o compare_v to_o boggle_n horse_n which_o start_v and_o boggle_v at_o that_o which_o will_v do_v they_o no_o harm_n at_o all_o but_o now_o that_o he_o have_v get_v to_o those_o text_n let_v i_o inquire_v of_o you_o whether_o you_o have_v compare_v the_o account_n i_o give_v you_o of_o they_o with_o t._n be_v reflection_n together_o par._n i_o have_v so_o and_o do_v find_v that_o he_o have_v not_o deal_v fair_o with_o you_o for_o whereas_o you_o compare_v mat._n 5._o 34._o with_o titus_n 3._o 2._o show_v that_o the_o word_n will_v not_o admit_v a_o general_a interpretation_n but_o must_v be_v limit_v to_o a_o particular_a sense_n he_o take_v no_o manner_n of_o notice_n thereof_o yet_o because_o you_o say_v that_o our_o lord_n must_v not_o be_v suppose_v to_o have_v forbid_v all_o manner_n of_o oath_n because_o of_o s_o t._n paul_n '_o s_o and_o the_o angel_n swear_v this_o he_o conceive_v be_v sufficient_o disprove_v and_o enervate_v already_o p._n 172._o min._n i_o hope_v you_o sufficient_o see_v that_o this_o be_v a_o mere_a bravado_n and_o also_o that_o not_o only_o here_o but_o all_o along_o the_o most_o considerable_a passage_n of_o my_o book_n be_v omit_v now_o i_o desire_v to_o know_v where_o he_o undertake_v to_o disprove_v that_o the_o angel_n swear_v he_o pretend_v indeed_o in_o the_o place_n where_o he_o be_v treat_v about_o it_o to_o excuse_v the_o action_n as_o if_o it_o be_v do_v in_o conformity_n to_o the_o law_n because_o another_o angel_n use_v a_o censor_n but_o how_o come_v our_o saviour_n word_n to_o be_v a_o general_a prohibition_n if_o so_o the_o angel_n have_v be_v include_v and_o consequent_o as_o i_o before_o note_v have_v fall_v from_o their_o state_n have_v they_o transgress_v it_o so_o that_o you_o may_v see_v with_o what_o pitiful_a shift_n the_o quaker_n go_v about_o to_o evade_v the_o truth_n and_o will_v persist_v in_o his_o error_n though_o indeed_o a_o angel_n stand_v in_o his_o way_n par._n but_o t._n e._n say_v that_o you_o mean_o beg_v a_o concession_n that_o a_o oath_n be_v moral_o good_a etc._n etc._n ibid._n min._n i_o beg_v no_o such_o thing_n but_o prove_v it_o from_o the_o nature_n and_o end_n of_o a_o oath_n as_o i_o have_v do_v even_o now_o from_o the_o three_o commandment_n par._n why_o then_o do_v you_o make_v way_n to_o hook_v it_o in_o under_o the_o notion_n of_o indifferency_n as_o t._n e._n tell_v we_o whereupon_o he_o triumph_v not_o a_o little_a and_o say_v you_o come_v down_o a_o pace_n who_o from_o call_v it_o a_o act_n of_o natural_a religion_n a_o part_n of_o the_o moral_a and_o eternal_a law_n be_v come_v already_o to_o talk_v of_o its_o be_v indifferent_a p._n 172_o 173._o min._n he_o abuse_v my_o word_n and_o their_o apparent_a sense_n this_o i_o say_v that_o our_o saviour_n in_o the_o sermon_n on_o the_o mount_n forbid_v nothing_o that_o be_v moral_o good_a nothing_o that_o be_v either_o indifferent_a or_o expedient_a etc._n etc._n my_o true_a meaning_n be_v and_o my_o word_n express_v as_o much_o that_o our_o saviour_n be_v so_o far_o from_o forbid_v any_o thing_n that_o be_v moral_a that_o he_o forbid_v nothing_o that_o be_v indifferent_a or_o expedient_a par._n yet_o herein_o he_o say_v you_o may_v see_v yourself_o at_o a_o loss_n too_o if_o you_o observe_v that_o