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A05344 A speech, delivered at the visitation of Downe and Conner, held in Lisnegarvy the 26th. of September, 1638 Wherein, for the convincing of the non-conformists, there is a full confutation of the covenant lately sworne and subscribed by many in Scotland. Published by authority. Leslie, Henry, 1580-1661. 1639 (1639) STC 15496; ESTC S108505 22,572 42

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look to our own And surely methinks that if there were in you a sparke of the sear of God and of true loyaltie unto the King the rebellious proceedings of these men would put you out of love with their Religion For I perswade my self that when you were first leavned with their doctrine you did little think that their aim was Rebellion But did conceive as sometimes I my self did that they did all out of conscience and were men free from violence or the least thought of disloyalty But now behold their proceedings and judge them by their fruits You may perceive how that Sect since the first beginning of it which is not much above Fourscore yeers in the Raign of Q. Mary of England hath proceeded from evill to worse by Six degrees At first they did only manifest a dislike of Episcopall government and some Ceremonies used in the Church of England as liking better of the government of Geneva which was devised by Master Calvin and that cunningly enough for the state of that Republick which being popular could not brook any other government of the Church but that which is popular also And yet I must tell you that Master Calvin wanted nothing of a Bishop but only the title For the Church of Geneva is not a Parochiall but Diocesan Church consisting of divers parishes which make up one great Presbytrie and he all the dayes of his life was moderator thereof without whose consent no Act neither of Ordination nor Jurisdiction was done And so likewise Mr. Beza for ten yeers after the others death held the same place of government untill Danaeus set him beside the cushion and procured the Presidency to go by turns In the next place from dislike they proceeded to contempt of Episcopall government and this if ye will beleeve St. Cyprian hath been the very beginning of all heresies and Schismes Ad Rogarionum Initia Haereticorum saith he ortus Schismaticorum haec sunt ut praepositum superbo tumore contemnant And againe Vnde Schismata ●aereses ortae sunt nisi ●um Episcopus qui unus est Ecclesiae praeest Ad Pupianum superbâ quorundam presumptione contemn●tur homo dig●at●●ne Dei ●ororatus ab ind●gnis hominibus judicatur In the third place from contempt they did proceed unto open disobedience unto all the Orders of the Church And like those of whom Nazia●zen speakes would be pleased with nothing but what did proceed from their own devising esteeming him the holiest man who could find most faults From disobedience they did proceed unto Schisme and open separation accounting themselves only to be the brethren and Congregation of Christ and all others who are not of their faction to be the children of this world From Schisme they proceeded to heresie For it is most true which S Jerome did observe that Omne Schisma gignit sibi ●aresin Every Schisme doth devise unto it self a heresie some false doctrine or other to maintain their separation And these men have devised not a few and some that have been condemned by ancient Councels and Fathers as namely Epiphanius reckons among the condemned heresies of Acrius that he maintained there was no differēce between a Bishop and a Presbyter and that all set Fasts are unlawfull Jewish and Superstitious And is not this the doctrine of these men But lastly their disobedience Schisme and heresie have now drawne them into open Rebellion and I wonder whither will they go next For I am deceived if they have not yet a further journey to go and that they cannot subsist untill they arrive at pure Anabaptisme From which they now differ but a little And surely if any of you will read the History of the Anabaptists you will finde that their proceedings were a great deal more moderate and Christian like then these mens●re This is the just judgement of God that they who run out of the Communion of the Church should likewise run out of their own wits I beseech you therefore to consider their wayes and how that if you do not break off company they will shortly lead you into Rebellion For mine own part I professe that the first thing that made me out of love with that Religion besides their grosse hypocrisie was their injurious dealing with Kings who are Gods Vice-gerents here upon Earth which I observed both by their doctrine and by their practice and I will now give you a briefe taste of both As for their Doctrine you know they take from the King all authority in causes Ecclesiasticall and will not allow him to do these things which the good Kings of Judah and the godly Emperours of the Primitive Church did Yea they will not allow them to present or nominate a Minister to a Benefice nor to give a Vote in a Generall Assembly except forsooth the King be a Lay-elder nor yet to make any Law●s concerning matters of outward Order and Politie to be observed in the Church Nay They have gone further allowing Subjects to resist their Prince by force of Armes and in some cases to depose him yea and to take away his life if he be a Tyrant and though he be the godliest Prince in the world he must be esteemed a Tyrant if it please the Presbytery to declare him for to be such So that Kings should be in a farre worse case under the Presbytery then ever they were under the Pope For in stead of one Pope they must be subject unto a thousand This is their doctrine Now I will shew you their Practice And first how they dealt with that blessed King James while he was in Scotland They did persecute him in his mothers womb and when he came unto ripe yeers they suffer'd him not to enjoy one quiet day by their Seditious practices Of a great many I will cull out a few of their attempts which are most notorious First when as the Ring-leaders of that Faction had concluded the state of Bishops to be unlawfull they sent their Commissioners unto the King commanding him and his Councell under pain of Excommunication to put them downe Againe A French Ambassadour being in Scotland when he was to go away the King commanded the City of Edenburrough according to the ancient custome to entertaine him with a banquet This charge was given on the Saturday and the banquet to be on the Munday and upon Sunday morning some of the factious ministers hearing of it to crosse his Majefties designes proclaimed a publick Fast to be kept on that day and because that the Nobility the Kings Servants the Provost and chiefe Citizens of Edenburrough did by the Kings direction attend the Ambassadour they proceeded against them almost unto the sentence of Excōmunication Afterwards when his Majesty was taken prisoner at Reuthen by some of his treacherous Subjects intendig thereby to force his Majesty to their owne ends His Majesty being happily delivered did with the consent of his three Estates in Parliament declare