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A39869 New dialogues of the dead in three parts / dedicated to Lusian in Elysium ; made English by J.D.; Nouveaux dialogues des mort. English. 1683. Fontenelle, M. de (Bernard Le Bovier), 1657-1757. 1683 (1683) Wing F1414; ESTC R28503 37,395 159

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died in your Bed in a plain and unremarkable manner Adrian What Are not those Verses remarkable at all which I made as I was just giving up the Ghost My little Soul my dear Darling Thou Going thou art Girl and whither God does know Alone thou goest naked and all over quaking Alas what 'll become of thy pretty fooling humour Lass what 'll become of so many pleasant frolicks I can't guess Cato treated Death like a business that was too serious but you see I drolled with it and herein it is that I pretend that my Philosophy went far beyond Cato's It is not so difficult haughtily to out-brave Death as it is to joak her in a careless manner nor is it so hard a thing to receive her kindly when we call her to our aid as when she comes when we have no need of her M. of Austria Yes I grant Cato's death is not so brave as yours but as ill luck would have it I had not observed that you had made these small Verses in which the bravery of yours does consist Adrian This is the way of all the world Cato may tear out his Bowels rather than fall into the hands of his Enemy it is perhaps no such great matter if it be throughly examined yet such a feat as that makes a vast shew in History and there 's not one but is taken with it Another may die fair and quietly and be in a capacity to make drolling Verses upon his death 't is more than Cato has done but this has nothing in it that is taking and History does scarce take notice of it M. of Austria Alas nothing is truer than what you say And I my self that now speak to you I have a death that I pretend is far before yours and yet 't is less taken notice of 'T is not however a downright death but such as 't is it exceeds yours that does exceed Cato's Adrian How what do you mean M. of Austria I was an Emperor's Daughter I was contracted to a King's Son and this Prince after his father's death sent me back to mine notwithstanding the solemn promise he had made to marry me After this they contracted me to the Son of another King and as I was going by Sea to this Husband my Ship was beaten with a terrible Tempest which cast my life into evident danger Then it was that I made my self this Epitaph Megg that pretty Damsel does here lie Has two Husbands and yet a Maid does die The truth is I did not die that bout but 't was not my fault Conceive well this kind of death you 'l be satisfied with it Cato's Constancy is injured in one kind yours in another mine is natural He is too high you are too drolling I am reasonable Adrian What You tax me of having had too little fear of death M. of Austria I do It is not likely that a man should be in no disorder at his dying hour and I am confident you did force your self then to droll as much as Cato did to tear out his Entrails I am every moment in expectation of Shipwrack without frightning my my self and I mak my Epitaph in cold blood this is very extraordinary and if there were nothing to moderate this History there would be some reason not to believe it or to believe that I did act only by way of Rhodomantado But in the mean while I am a poor Girl twice contracted and yet have been so unlucky as to die a Maid I shew my Concern for it and that gives my History all requisite appearance of truth Your Verses mind them well carry no meaning with them there is nothing but a Gibbrish made up of a few Childish Terms but mine have a very clear Sense and give content at the very first which is a sign that Nature speaks in them much more than in yours Adrian Truly I should never have believed that the trouble to die a Virgin ought to have been so much to your Glory M. of Austria Make your self as pleasant with this as you please but my death if it may be termed so has another especial advantage over Cato's and over yours You had both of you played the Philosophers so much whilst you lived that you had engaged your selves upon Honour not to be afraid of death and if you had had the liberty to fear it I cannot tell what would have come on it But I as long as the storm lasted I had a Right to tremble and make my cries reach Heaven without any body 's taking exception at it or having a less esteem for me Nevertheless I remained quiet enough to make my Epitaph Adrian Betwixt you and I Was not the Epitaph made on Shore M. of Astria Ah! this wrangling thus is ill-becoming I did not so by you about your Verses Adrian I yield then in good earnest and I grant that when Vertue does not go beyond the bounds of Nature she is very great The Fifth Dialogue Erasistrates Herveus Erasistrates YOU tell me wonders What the Blood circulates in the Body the Veins carry it from the Extremities of the Heart and goes from the Heart into the Arteries which convey it back again towards the Extremities Herveus I have shewed so many Experiences of this that no body makes any further question of it Arasist We deceived our selves very much then we Physicians of Antiquity who took the Blood to have but one slow motion from the Heart towards the Extremities of the Body and people are highly obliged to you for having abolished this ancient Error Herv So I pretend And people ought too to be so much the more obliged to me in that I was the first that set them in the way to make all those fine Discoveries as are now made in Anatomy Since I once found out the Circulation of the Blood 't is now who shall find a new Conduit out to convey the Blood into all parts of the Body a new Reservatory It looks as though whole Man were melted down again Behold the advantages our Modern Physick ought to have above yours You made it your business to cure the Body of Man and his Body was altogether unknown to you Erasist I own that your modern Physitians are better Naturalists than we they understand Nature better but they are not better Physitians we cured the Sick as well as they cure them I could wish all these modern ones and you the very first of all had had Prince Antiochus in hand to cure of his Quartern Ague You know how I went about it and how I discovered by the more than ordinary beating of his Pulse in the presence of Stratonice that he was enamoured with that beautifull Queen and that his whole Disease did proceed from his violent striving to hide his Passion And yet I made so difficult and so considerable a Cure as that was without knowing that the blood did circulate and I am of opinion that notwithstanding the help you
and would not be liked of if put in practice It is too sweet and too too plain Mary of Engl. I confess men have spoiled all But how happens it that the sight of the most Majestical and most pompous Court in the World has not the power to allure them so much as the Ideas do which sometimes they propose to themselves of this same Pastoral Life meerly because they were made for it Anne of Brit. In like manner the sharing in your plain and undisturbed pleasures is but to enter into those Chymera's which men frame to themselves Mary of Engl. Not at all If it be true that there are but few persons that can make such a distinction as to begin with those kind of pleasures people are willing at least to end with them when they can The Imagination has run over all false objects and she comes back to the true ones The Second Dialogue Charles V. Erasmus Erasmus MAke no question of it if there was any such thing as place among the Dead I would not yield you the precedency Charles V. What A Grammarian one of Learning and what is yet more a man of Wit would pretend to be better than a Prince that has been Master of the better part of Europe Erasmus Put America to it also and I shall not fear you a jot the more All this greatness was as one may say but a composition of many hazards and if one should dis-unite all the parts that make it up you would see plainly that it was so If Ferdinando your Grandfather had been a man of his word little would have remained to you in Italy If any other Princes but he had the wit to believe that there were Antipodes Christopher Columbus would not have applied himself to him and America had not been in the number of your States If after the death of the last Duke of Burgundy Lewis XI had minded what he did Maximilian had not had the Heiress of Burgundy nor you had not had the Low-Countries If Henry of Castyle Brother to your Grandmother Isabella had not had an ill Reputation among Women or if his Wifes Honesty had not been something questionable Henry's Daughter had passed for her Daughter and you would have missed the Kingdom of Castille Charles V. You make me tremble I fancy now at this very moment that I am losing either Castille or the Low-Countries America or Italy Erasmus Mock not You would find it a task to make the one a little more solid and the other somewhat more saithful Take all to the very impotency of your Great Uncle or the pertness of your Great Aunt and you will find that it will be but necessary for you See what a brittle building that is which is founded upon so many things depending upon hazard Charles V. Indeed it is not possible to withstand so strict an Examination as is yours I must needs confess that all my Greatness and all my Titles do disappear in your presence Erasmus These are the qualities though you pretended to adorn your self with all I have stript you of them without any trouble Do not you remember you have heard say that Cimon the Athenian having taken several Persians Prisoners did expose to Sale on one side the Cloaths and their Bodies quite naked on the other and that whereas the Cloaths were extraordinarily rich there was great crowding to buy them but as to the men no body would meddle with them In good earnest I am apt to believe that what did happen to these Persians would be the lot of many an one if there should be a separation made of the personal Merit from that which Fortune has bestowed upon them Charles V. But what is this same personal Merit Erasmus Is that a Question to be asked All that is within us The Mind for example Sciences Charles V. And one may lawfully glory in them Erasmus No doubt of it the benefits of Fortune as Gentility or Riches are not it Charles V. What you say surprises me Does not Sciences come to the Learned as Riches do to the most part of such as are rich Is it not by way of Succession You learned men you inherit of the Antients as we do of our Fathers If all we enjoy was bequeathed unto us all that you know was bequeathed to you also And 't is that which makes many learned men look upon what they have received from the Ancients with the same respect as some persons do upon the Lands and the Houses of their Ancestors wherein they would be loth to make any alteration Erasmus But the Great Ones are born Heirs to their Fathers Greatness and the Learned were not born Heirs to the Knowledge of the Ancients Learning is not a Succession that Man receives it is a new Acquisition which he undertakes to make or if it be a Succession it is hard enough to come by though it be very honourable Charles V. Well then set the labour there is to gain the Goods of the mind against that a man meets with to preserve the Goods of Fortune then all is equal for in fine if you regard difficulty alone 't is certain the concerns of the World have more in them than the speculations of the Cabinet have Erasmus But let us not talk of Learning let us stick to the mind that advantage does no ways depend upon hazard Charles V. It does not depend upon hazard What does not the mind consist in a certain Conformation of the Brain And is Hazard the less to be made of for taking Birth of a well disposed Brain than if it were born of a Father that were a King You were a great Wit but ask all the Philosophers what did hinder that you were not a stupified Block-head Almost nothing some little disposition of a Muscle-string something in fine that the exactest Anatomy could never discover And will these Gentlemen your Wits dare to maintain now that they alone do enjoy Goods which are independent of Hazard and they will think then they have a Right to contemn all other men Erasmus At your rate to be rich and to have Wit is the same Merit Charles V. To have Wit is the more happy hazard but at the bottom it is still an hazard Erasmus All is hazard then Charles V. It is so provided you will give that name to an unknown quality I leave it to you to judge if I have not stript men better yet than you did you only took from them some advantages of Birth and I do not so much as leave them those of the mind If before they took a vanity in any thing they did make themselves sure whether they had any Right to that same thing there would be but little vanity in the World The Third Dialogue Elizabeth of England The Duke of Alençcon The Duke BUT why have you flattered me so long with the hopes of marrying you since in your soul you were resolved to come to no conclusion