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A85049 A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fullwood minister of West-Alrington in the county of Devon, and one Thomas Salt-House, as 'tis said, of the county of Westmerland: before the congregation of them, called, Quakers; with some others that accidentally heard thereof: in the house of Henry Pollexsen, Esq; in the said parish of West-Alrington. On Tuesday the 24th day of October 1656. / Published by some that were present at the dispute; out of a single and sincere desire, that error may be shames, and the truth cleared. Together with an answer to James Godfries queries, by the said F.F. Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1656 (1656) Wing F2520; Thomason E892_12; ESTC R206561 22,146 38

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am that the Papasts give you their doctrine and send you abroad to deliver it Man Quak. So then thou doest not think we are Papists Full. No truly But I beleeve you are deluded by them and used to manage their desparate and hellish designs But let me proceed to demand of you satisfaction in one thing seeing my present liberty goeth no farther 't is this Pray how do you prove that the Ministry of England preacheth another Gospel than that which Paul preached for that was one of the marks of the false prophets as you charge the Ministry of England to be and which I am here to challenge you to make good viz. that we preach another Gospel than that which Paul preached Quak. Who said thou wast a false prophet thou appliest it to thy self Full. Then am I a false prophet or not Quak. I did not say thou wast Full. But did not you mean the Ministry of England in your marks of false prophets Quae. I own a Ministry I own a Ministry in England for all thou saist I deny it One of the Company We do all understand that by false prophets he means the publick Ministry Full. I challenge him then to prove if he can that we preach another Gospel than that which Paul preached Qua. So I will Paul had his Gospel not of man nor by man but from God but thou hast thy Gospel by man Full. We attain to the Gospel another way than Paul did therefore our Gospel is another Gospel this I utterly deny prove this if you can that our different manner of receiving the Gospel doth render it another Gospel Qua. Doth not Paul say that he was an Apostle not of man nor by man but by the revelation of Christ Jesus and then tells us if any man preach another Gospel c. Full. But prove if you can that the manner of receiving did thus make it another Gospel Yea good people mark for in this his own text his argument is utterly ruined Gal. 1. 8 9. Though an Angel from heaven preach any other Gospel than that which I have preached or than that which you have received let him be accursed Observe 't is the same Gospel that Paul preached and that they received by his preaching Yet Paul as was said received this same Gospel immediatly from God and these Galatians from man from Pauls preaching therefore you may easily perceive that the d●fferent manner of giving or receiving the Gospel doth not make another Gospel the same Gospel is received by them from Paul which Paul received by the revelation of Jesus Christ Quak. But didst thou receive the Gospel as Paul did Full. I receive the Gospel from Paul as these Galatians did even from the same writings of Paul and they received the same from Paul which he received from God and therefore we receive the same Gospel which Paul did receive from the hands of God himself which Gospel we preach and not another The Company This is plain enough Go on to something else Quak. But thou preachest for Hire Full. I shall answer that anon but first do you prove that I preach another Gospel than Paul preached Quak. Thou preachest for Hire the Prophets prophesie falsly the Priests bear rule by their means we preach for nothing Full. Come come Sir You have told us that what you deliver you have by revelation from Heaven wherein I tell you you blaspheme the Lord Did God send you with lies and slanders to rail and reproach c Quak Did I slander thee wherein Full. You have slandered the Ministers in many things to name but one you have said to the people that the false prophets meaning us in the Ministry deny the light that is in all men Quak. Doest not thou say that there is no light in every man Full. No nor I beleeve any Minister in England The Company Then herein you are agreed Full. So far we are yet lest I should be misunderstood I shall shew wherein we differ about this light which is in every man We hold that this light is not of it self sufficient to lead men to salvation you as I conceive hold that it is sufficient to salvation Quak. Away with thy meanings and conceivings the word of God is not of any private interpretation Full. Stay friend I have a word of exhortation Wherefore according to a passage in your discourse you are bound to hold your peace Qua. Speak then Full. My discourse shall be grounded upon those known words Joh. 1. The true light which enlighteneth every man which cometh into the world This light is by severall parties taken in three severall senses yet it will appear that in neither of these it is sufficient to salvation Qua. He is at his senses and meanings again First Some take this light to be the relicks of that naturall knowledg which the goodness of God hath left and kept in man since the fall Now we grant that thus all men are enlightned yet it is very evident that all men are not savingly enlightened hereby for the Scripture witnesseth that some men have no such light in them namely such as speak not according to Isa 8. 20. this law and testimony of the word of God and notwithstanding this common light the Gentiles sate in darkness and in the shadow of death Secondly Others may suppose that every man is enlightened by Christ as Mediatour that all the light that is in men was purchased for them by the death of Christ and is wrought in them by the common influence of his spirit upon the world and thus they say Christ enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world Now should we admit this sense of the words yet this light as it is in every man will be found in Scripture to be onely common and not saving or not sufficient to salvation for yet notwithstanding the purchase and coming of Christ the Gentiles have their understandings darkned Eph. 4. And though it should be granted that this common light doth convince men of sin yet it doth not convince men of righteousness and judgment and therefore it is sufficient to leave men inexcusable but it is not sufficient to lead them to salvation Further Though it should be granted that this light might be called the Spirit of Christ if it be the effect thereof yet it is still denied that this operation of the spirit which is common to all is sufficient to salvation not but that the same spirit is sufficient but yet this operation of the spirit to convince of sin is not sufficient 3. Lastly Others do interpret this enlightning in the text to be the means of enlightning namely the Gospel-dispensation which the coming of Christ brought more eminently and universally into the world he being the first preacher of the Gospel in this sense Heb. 2. 3. Here I pitch for thus there is a light set upon an hill shining forth and offering it self to enlighten every man that comes