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A16835 The supremacie of Christian princes ouer all persons throughout theor dominions, in all causes so wel ecclesiastical as temporall, both against the Counterblast of Thomas Stapleton, replying on the reuerend father in Christe, Robert Bishop of VVinchester: and also against Nicolas Sanders his uisible monarchie of the Romaine Church, touching this controuersie of the princes supremacie. Ansvvered by Iohn Bridges. Bridges, John, d. 1618. 1573 (1573) STC 3737; ESTC S108192 937,353 1,244

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Deuill and all it coulde that such mysteryes suche vertue such confidence suche seruice of God such forgiuenesse of sinnes consisted in burning a Candle in setting vp a Lampe in offering a Taper in mainteyning a light before an Image or bearing it in Procession Do ye not say in your hallowing of them at Masse Benedic Domine Iesu Christe hanc creaturam c. Blesse Lord Iesu Christ this creature of wax Candle at our supplication and powre into it an heauenly blessing by the vertue of the holy Crosse that thou which hast giuen it to mans vse to repell darkenesse it may receyue by the signe of thy holy Crosse suche strength and blessing that in whatsoeuer places being lighted it bee put the Deuill may depart thence and tremble and flie awaye pale with all his ministers oute of those houses nor presume to disquiet them any more Againe in the next prayer Ut has Candela●… c. That these Candles prepared to the vse of men and to the health of their bodies their soules either on land or water by the inuocatiō of thy holy name by intercession of S. Mary alway virgin whose feasts are this day deuoutly celebrated c. And in the thirde praier that thou vouchsafe to blesse hallow and kindle them ▪ with the light of the heauenly blessing that we by offering them to our God may deserue to be kindled with the holy fyre of thy most swete brightnesse and to be presented in the holy temple of thy glorie All these vertues and many more ye ascribe to your Candles Neither do ye as here ye pretend offer them vp onely to God but to the Saints also chiefly to the Uirgin Marie which as it was so common that it cannot be denied so to cōfirme the same your Legend telleth vs a tale of one that neuer did good déed in his life but that he offred a Taper to the virgin Mary And whē he died he was of Christ cōdemned the deuils had alreadie gottē his soule Then came the virgin Mary put the Taper in his hande had him shift with the deuils so well as he could the soule hauing gotten the Taper stood therwith at his defence euer whē the deuils came nere him he ●…oyned one in the face hit another here another there so lustily he laid about him that he droue with the Taper all the deuils away So notable a force ye ascribed to a Candle offred to the blessed virgin and made the simple people beleue what ye would by these outward Cādles in the darke night mist of error hauing put out and hidden vnder a bushel the true holy Candle the light of our féete lanterne to our steps the blessed worde of God that shoulde haue shewed Christ vnto vs the verye light of the world that came to giue light to those that sit in darknesse in the shadow of death Which spirituall light of Christ and the glorious beames of his Gospell the dimme eies of your soule cannot abide to looke vpō Qui male agit odit lucē c. He that doth yll saith Christ our true light hateth the light cōmeth not to the light least his works shuld be reproued Syth therfore euen as the Owle flieth the light you slie the word of god all these other lights are but mere vnfruitfull workes of darknesse lulling the people a sleepe with these your dreaming fables Yet these fables were let forth in the mother tong that euery man might vnderstād them but in no case the true cādle might shine vnto them In stéed whereof ye set vp a Candle before the deuil For the godly christians are not taught by Christ his Apostles nor the learned auncient fathers to set vp any suche Candles before Christ which Lactantius calleth plaine madnesse Candles in the Church so well as in other places we allowe and vse as did Saint Hierome And therfore where ye obiect Uigilantius to vs we returne euen Hieromes wordes to you Cereos autem in clara a luce c. But we light not waxe Candles at broade day light as thou slaunderest vs in vaine but with this comfort to mitigate the nightes darkenesse to keepe vs awake at the light least we should sleepe in darkenesse beeing blinde with thee And thus Saint Hierome maketh euen you master Stapleton and your Church that haue them in the cleare day light and that to such blind and Idolatrous endes both Uigilantians and Dormantians to Nowe to Ceremonies I answere that such as be decent laudable and to edifying and may set forth Gods glorie we refuse them not We reiect I graunt and that in good considerations the rable of such heathen and Iewish ceremonies that you laded the spouse of Christ withall We are frée from the yoke of the lawe much lesse néede we tye vs to the bondage of Paganisme And frō one of these the most of your ceremonies were deriued Saint Augustine complayned in his time and he liued euen in the time of Uigilantius That they oppressed the Church which God had set free with such slauish burdens that the state of the Iewes was more tollerable who though they knewe not the time of their libertie yet were they but vnder the burthens of the lawe aud not vnder the presumptions of men Thus speaketh Saint Augustine of Ceremonies euen where he mitigateth the matter and beareth with them so much as he coulde But what woulde he haue thought and sayde had he séene such an infinite number as haue crept in since his tune obtruded with such seueritie vrged with such necessitie estéemed with such opinion of holinesse as nothing more yea preferred before the knowledge and expresse commaundements of God beeing nothing but the traditions and inuentions of men If ye obiect Uigilantius to vs as an Heretike for improuing such ceremonies and the abuses of them why call ye not Christ M. St. a starke Heretike also for he obiected euen the same matter to the Scribes Pharisies High Priects that they worshipped God with the traditions of men and therefore saith ●…n vanum ●…olunt me They woorship me in vaine he charged them that they ouer burdened the people with such loade of Ceremonies whereas his yoke was light and easie and reproued them that for those their ceremonies they neglected and transgressed the commandements of god I warrant ye they said as you say by vs that he was a ranke Heretike and accursed and excommunicated him and all that helde with him And do you speake any better of his Ministers I meane not but euen of his worde it selfe in respect of your ceremonies than did they I omitte as now to tell how ye haue defaced his worde how many things ye preferre aboue it onely I will note this how sawcely in the defence of your ceremonies and your other errours contrary to the Scripture ye exalte your selues aboue Gods worde
togither that your Pope might haue both powers in him but still what is this to the purpose that Bishops may depose Kings VVhether of these therfore say you shal obtaine the chiefer parts in the body of the Churche shall not the spirituall power which is giuen of God himself by Iesus Christ to that end that it might minister iustice spirite and life vnto vs as for the kingly power came in deede frō God but not onely properly by Christ as he is the Sauior but also by the sense of the minde conspiring the will of the people whether it were faithful or vnfaithful neither could of it self at any time pertaine vnto heauē or minister life vnto hir subiects If therfore the chiefe parts in the body of the Church belong to the spirituall power ▪ truely that ought of righte to gouerne and rule the kingly and all earthly power that is founde in the same body of the Church Yet again M. San. I think aboue twentie times we haue graunted you the due superioritie of the true spiritual power I put to these words due and true bicause neither is your spiritual power the true spiritual power but rather an earthly and carnall power and that spiritualnesse that it hathe is rather from the spirituall power of darknesse than of the spirite of truthe and was neuer of God nor by Christ nor administreth iustice spirite nor lyfe but iniquitie sensualitie and death nor pertayneth to heauen but leadeth to hell I meane the spirituall power of the Popishe spiritualtie The spirituall power of the Ministers of Christe I graunte dothe all these thinges you speake of and therefore it hathe a superioritie but suche as is due vnto it in the ministration of these aforesayde things and not to encroche vpon suche superioritie as belongeth to Christian Princes But to stayne the Princes power you call it earthly and so it is in some respecte but it is heauenly in other respects also bicause it came from God and it representeth the diuine power of god It came from God you saye but not by Christe but by the peoples consent Howe true this is is partly answeres before and S. Paule sayth Omnis potestas est à Deo all power is of God. Is not Christ God howe then came it not from Christ And is not this spoken of the wisedome of God which is Christ Per me reges regnant Kings rule by me You make exception not by Christ as sauiour Is not Christ aswel a sauiour in that he is king as he is a sauior in that he is priest Not that say you the Princes power of it selfe pertaynes to heauē or ministreth life What it doth of it selfe we force not M. sand we speake of Christian kinges representing Christe the sauior Not that the Kinges power saueth no more doth the Priestes power but onely the power of Christ that is both King and Priest but that by either of these Christ worketh meanes towardes our saluation and so bothe pertayne to heauen and minister life also the Bishops power in setting foorthe Gods worde and Sacramēts the Princes power in ouerséeing that both the Bishops and clergie set them foorthe duely and that the people duetifully recoyue them But still what is this to the purpose for the Bishop to depose Princes shall we neuer come to our matter agayne this is a long vagarie But go on M. sand euen whether you list to wander For as in the same body of man all the members ought to obey the commaundement of reason onely of the minde bicause in the same body is nothing higher than the minde so also in the Churche whiche is like a mans body sithe the spirituall power gouerneth as the minde and reason all other power that is founde in the Churche besides ought of necessitie to be subiect to the spirituall power Ought I saye to be subiect not euery where nor altogither but onely in those things that pertaine to the saluation of soules and to the proper iurisdiction of the Churche And haue you spyed this nowe ▪ M. Sanders that the spirituall power in the churche is like to the rule of reason in our body but onely in these things How then pertayneth it to depose kinges to dispose translate and occupie kingdomes to cause subiects rebell which is the proper question héere in hande Do these thinges pertaine to saluation are these thinges the proper iurisdiction of the Churche ▪ then surely it is a proper Churche and it hath a proper iurisdiction or we shall make a proper saluation of ●…oules and you haue made a proper péece of worke so properly to proue your argument of the Princes deposition for the whiche I s●…ill ●…rie for some proofe but you haue belike forgotten it For shame M. Saund. come once agayne to your matter but go to nowe at the length you wil drawe neerer to it For if the earthly power do iniurie to the spouse of Christ or do not defende it from the iniurie of other when it may or in any thing faynte from iustice and truthe those that gouerne the church of God ought to admonish the ciuil Magistrate that he should decline from euill and do good But and if the ciuill Magistrate will not so amende himselfe they must make haste to other remedies for it can not be in a wel ordered citie but that for euery euill that may fall out there is a remedie prepared Nowe M. sand this geare beginnes to cotten For remembring at length your idle vagarie you drawe neerer to your matters for the Princes deposing And héere you presuppose thrée things either that the Church hath iniurie offred hir by the Prince either that the Prince where he may defendes hir not from others iniuries either that he himself faynteth from iustice and truthe Héere say you what remedie Those that gouerne the Church of God ought to admonishe the ciuill Magistrate that he shoulde decline from euill and do good For the admonition it is well and truly sayde M. sand and would to God the Pastors woulde thus do in these your presupposed cases ▪ But héere is no deposition of the Magistrate Howbeit craftily euen héere you haue as good as deposed him already For you make your selues ●…ose only that gouerne the Church of God and call the Prince ▪ but the ciuill Magistrate as thoughe he gouerned not also the Church of God and had nothing to do therwith but onely with ciuill affaires and that the Priestes haue all the gouernaunce of Gods Churche But as this is false neither haue you nor can you proue this but still reason à petitione principij taking that for an vndoubted true principle that is chiefly denied that you are the onely gouernors of the Church of God. So nowe that whiche you presuppose in the Prince let vs presuppose the like in you If you that call your selues the Church ▪ haue at any