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A51065 A moderate reply to His Majesties answer to the cities last petition presented at Oxford which answer was read in Guildhall, before the commons of the said city, January 13, 1643 / by a well-minded petitioner for peace and truth. Petitioner for peace and truth. 1643 (1643) Wing M2330; ESTC R31030 18,007 20

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Surely this City doth call to minde and for ever will the acts of our Predecessors their duty affection loyalty and merit towards their Princes the renowne they have had with all posterity for and the blessings of heaven which hath alwayes accompanyed these vertues and will and do consider the scorne and infamy which unavoidably will follow us and our children if infinitely the meaner part in quality and the lesser part in number shall notwithstanding the assistance of all the Cavaliers in the Army raised up against the Parliament and all the Papists and Atheists in the City or Kingdom to help them be able to alter the Government so admirably established Destroy the trade so excellently setled and to waste the wealth so industriously gotten of this flourishing Citie as the Cavaliers have in many flourishing Cities and Towues where they have been And therefore we will gather courage and resolution to joyne with His Majesty and Parliament in the defence of that Religion Law and Liberty which stands in opposition to popery and slavery and can only make our selves His Majesty and His Kingdom happy And notwithstanding with reference to the Common-wealth his Maiesty may have concurrence with his Parliament at this distance is well as at White Hall yet we should thinke our selves infinitely ingaged unto his Maiestie if he will be pleased to come to his Parliament and we think the whole Kingdom will reioyce at it and though his Maiesty hath concurred with their advise beyond the example of his Predccessors in passing of such Bills by which he willingly parted with many of his known Rights for the benefit of his subiects which the fundamentall constitutions of this Kingdome did not oblige him unto for which we are heartily thankefnll yet would his Maiesty be pleased to leave that wicked Counsell about him who adviseth him to ioyne with them against his Parliament beyond the example of his Predecessors and to take such courses whereby These Acts of Grace in passing Bills for the good of the Subjects shall be voyde and of no use but even the Parliament it self and all our Lawes Religion and Liberty are in danger to bee utterly lost and destroyed we should surely then be easily perswaded of his Majesties cordiall love and respects unto us and we know not what to doe but still to apply our selves unto his Majesty as we have done unto his Parliament that such just peaceable and Honourable Propositions may bee mutually tendred that may beget a sweet and happy concurrence betweene his Majesty and Parliament We have seene the Petition who would not subscribe it wee have seene the supposed answer if true who could have expected it shall we be any longer deceived then let us be for ever undon it is no Religion but Popery no Liberty but slavery which shall be our portion doe not thinke that were it not for a few Brownists and Anabaptists c. all would be well that these are the disturbers of our Peace I am no friend to such as these but let me live and die such an one as those that are falsely so called no no such Brownists and Anabaptists as were the causes of the Irish Rebellion as all men may see are the incendiaries of our troubles Popery and slavery hath a long time threatned this Nation When absolute prerogative gets upon the Throne and the Pope upon the Church what Subjects then but slaves what Christians but Papists shall we be cozened of our Religion and Liberty by lies and hypocrisie no peace is to be had but either we must fight for it in hope of victory or purchase it by perpetuall slavery Warre is bitter God give us peace Hell is hot God give us truth if we love our soules let us fight for our Religion if we love our posterity let us fight for their Liberty amongst others these motives doth captivate my resolutions first the consideration of the cause it is for God it is for the Kingdome if I fight for God I shall have God though I loose all and that will make up all if I decline God though I enjoy all I shall loose God and then all will make up nothing it is for Iesus Christ who would not help him to his glory He hath fought with divine justice with the curse of the Law with the Divell with sinne with death for us shall we not fight with man for him we were his enemies when he did thus for us hee is our Redeemer what is now to deare for him hee left Heaven to fetch us from Hell what can we doe in requitall therefore he is our Generall mighty in battaile who would not fight under his Standard if ever now is Christs cause on foot to affirme the contrary is shamelesse impudency which to beleeve is sottish credulity if Popery be piety then are we deceived in this controversie can English ingenuity be deceived with such Romish falacy It is for the Gospell who is so blind as once to doubt it Life by it hath bin brought to light shall we now lose it it s a dore to glory shall we let it be shut It s a vision of Heaven shall we let it passe pitty pitty your poore posterity no Gospell no Christ no Christ no Glory if so woe woe that ever they were borne beleive it It is not Queene Elizabeths reformation but Queene Maries Religion that will give content put it to question doth the Rebells in Ireland the Papists in England the Catholique Army in the North the popish in the South aime at and fight for Queene Elizabeths Reformation It cannot but vexe an ingenious man to thinke that men should bee such fooles as to be thus cheated Secondly It is the Kingdomes cause the peace the plenty the security of the Kingdome lies a bleeding England hitherto the envie is like to be made the pitie of Nations we may reade our dismall quality in Irelands misery instead of beauty we shall have baldnesse and of garments a rent farwell the bleating of sheepe the lowing of Oxen the Calves of our stall and the heards of our flockes instead of our musick shall ring in our eares the pittifull cries of dearest wives with wringing hands and 〈◊〉 eyes dearest husbands bread bread can pitifull mothers endure the cries of tender babes with blubber'd cheekes and bleared eyes mother mother bread bread what a harsh and unusuall discourse will this bee amongst our delicate women Let us eat your childe to day and you shall have mine to morrow how will all faces gather blacknesse and all hearts sadnesse when death climes up at our windowes and there is nothing but lamentations in the houses and cries in the street when our young men shall fall and our old men faint and no man knowes how long doe we not see many from Ireland whose clothing was lately rich and food delicious now clothd in raggs glad of your crusts and thankfull for your old shooes doth not the same blood of the Irish Rebellion run in the veines of distracted England and hath it not wrought the same bloudy effects up and downe throughout the Kingdome what dismall groanings of murthered men screiching women and crying children will fill our eares in every house in a word did we know the effects of Warre we would study Peace pray for peace petition for peace and if wee could not prevaile we would give out our selves to all that we have to fight for our peace against the enemies thereof that some suddaine end might be put to the Warre Thirdly consider the example of our Adversaries how do they joyne together as one man against us who would have thought such a war so expensive should be carried on in Ireland and now in England by voluntary contributions amongst the Papists as we see it is shall the Pope have greater interest in Papists than Christ in Christians shall hee call for the assistance of Papists and they run and ride travell beyond Seas flie into Holland France Germany Denmarke every where for help and shall we doe nothing doe Papists forget all their interests in wives children Countries dwellings Estates gather into Armies venture their lives for the Pope and shall Christ call for help and shall we sit still hath the Pope done more for Papists than Christ for Christians hath the Pope shed his bloud for them suffered wrath for them adopted them unto God pluckt them out of the snares of death hath not Christ don all this for us hath the power of the Masse-Booke prevailed more with Papists in the cause of their Lord God the Pope then the Bible with Christians to doe for their Lord Iesus Christ can the Pope protect in Battells succeed Battells prosper battells like unto Christ can the Pope reward our labours make up breaches repay losses looke to widdowes and fatherthelesse crowne with Glory like Iesus Christ let us be ashamd of our pretended Christianity if Christs cause hath in us no greater efficacy In short let us take what speedy course we can to redeeme all or wee loose all pray for the peace of Ierusalem and the ruine of Babylon study the peace of Ierusalem and the ruine of Babylon fight for the peace of Ierusalem and the ruine of Babylon Christ and his Gospell Religion Lawes Liberties Estates Trades Wives Children all accommodations of soule and body calls and cries begs and intreats if wee have any bowels of love and compassion we would not give back but now give out our helpe and thinke upon some suddaine certaine continued course by some generall asistant that the burthen being put upon many shoulders every man might beare with ease and delight whereby we may both prosecute and purchase our peace peace is our quarrell peace is our prayer let peace bee our study and endeavours and Peace shall bee our reward FJNJS