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A96069 VVater upon the flame: by XX. queries propounded in the spirit of love and meeknesse, to the serious consideration of all Gods people; principally to the fifth monarch men, commonly so called. / By one that loveth the truth, and all good men; and one that neither hath, nor ever had, nor never intendeth to have the least place of profit, or worldly advantage by any change of government whatsoever. 1659 (1659) Wing W1042; Thomason E989_12; ESTC R204047 13,299 16

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Spirit you are of for the Son of man came not c. The extraordinary practises of the Old Testament Prophets was no Pattern to them but His. 1 Cor. 6.17 He that is joyned to the Lord is said to be one Spirit And 2. Phil. 6. Let the same mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus Christ calleth upon all his disciples to learn of him to be meek and lowly Mat. 11.29 Paul calleth upon all Christians to walk in love as he did 5. Ephes 2. to self-denial as he did 15. Rom. 2. Let every one of you please his neighbour for his good for even Christ pleased not himself Peter calleth upon all persons to Bear Wrongs patiently as he did 1 Pet. 1.21 and so to tread in his steps which he saith they were thereunto called from his example And John saith 1 Joh. 2.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought to walk even as he walked And Paul saith We are predestinated to be conformed to the Image of the Son 8. Rom. 29. And it was his Glory that looking into the Glasse of the Gospel he became translated into that Image 2 Cor. 3.18 So then Christs Image Christs Mind Christs Spirit Christs Steps is of right the Image of all his Saints the Mind of all his Disciples the Spirit of all his Friends and the Steps of all his faithfull Followers Is it not then above an ordinary wonder that you should pretend to so much of his Spirit even at the same time when your violent motions proclaim the contrary with a loud voice Christ was all Smooth and you seem to be all Rough. Christ was all for putting up of Swords you are all for pulling them out Christ was all for Saving mens Lives and you seem to be all for Destroying them Christ was for Binding up of Wounds and you are for Making them 6. Whether the Commandments and imitable Practises of Christ and his Apostles before mentioned be not as long liv'd as other of his Commandments and binding upon all his disciples till he come again in Person As the People of God under Moses was shut up as Paul expresseth it 3. Gal. 23. under his Laws till Faith or the Gospel of the Mesiah come So are the People of God under the Gospel shut up under Christs Laws till He come again in Person to disanull them onsult 2. Rev. 25. That which thou hast received hold fast How long TILL I COME 1 Cor. 11.26 As ought as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye do shew forth the Lords death Marke TILL HE COME So 1 Tim. 6.14 I give thee charge that thou keep this Commandment without spot unrebukable How long VNTIL THE APPEARING OF OVR LORD JESVS CHRIST So that all the Positive Precepts and Examples of Christ and the Apostles Practised and Commanded upon a Moral Reason last as long as this present world lasteth except we should interpret these Scriptures or rather abuse them with the Quakers and from them fancy another appearing and Coming of Christ before his coming to Judgement but to shew the vanity of their conceit His coming to Judgement is called his Second coming 9. Heb. 28. Whereas then it would be the Third Consider I pray Is there any Time set by our Saviour or the Apostles how long men shall be of his Spirit Humble Meek Gentle Obedient to Magistrates no brawlers but shewing all meeknesse to all men And when his Disciples may lawfully turn into the quite contrary Spirit from Lambs to Lyons from subjection to Magistrates to destroying them T is true there cometh a Time when the Saints shall Judge the World Bind Kings in chains Rule over Nations Rev. 2.26 but it is the reward of Overcoming all Temptations and keeping Christs works to the end even Till He Come At which time Christ promiseth also to give such Overcomers the Morning Star 2. Rev. 28. Look the place Now as you go to work you catch at the Reward before you have done your Work The Apostle James enjoyneth upon all the Christians patience James 5.7 8 9. Be patient therefore Brethren saith he How long unto the coming of the Lord. The mean Time is the Time of Saints suffering not Raigning in the Judgement of S. James And is not Paul one with him Marke 3. Colos 4. WHEN CHRIT WHO IS OVR LIFE shall appear THEN shall ye appear with him in glory Mark that THEN and not till then for he saith in the mean Time they are dead and their life is hid Now How are they dead and their Life hid if they must pull down Princes and be the Earths Governours 7. Whether doth not Daniel the Prophet tell us plainly in the 7th of Daniel 21. That the Horn that spake great things and whose looks were more stout then his fellows that this horn should make warre with the Saints and prevail against them untill the Ancient of Days come If so and that it appears by the 13. Verse as it plainly doth That the Time of the Ancient of Daies coming and the Son of Mans coming in the clouds of Heaven take place together Mind the words Behold one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient of daies and they brought him near If so then how vain a thing is it to expect the Kingdomes of this world to become Christs till he come in the clouds of Heaven and the Ancient of dayes with him 8. Some of you make Dan. 7.18 The words these But the Saints shall take the Kingdome the ground of present fighting with worldly Powers in order thereunto now the Query is Whether this be not a wild inference from the Premises because t is clear from the 27. Verse that when ever they take it it shall be first given them and that 's not till the Ancient of days come So saith the 22. Verse Vntill the Ancient of daies come and Judgement was given to the Saints of the most High and the time came that the Saints possessed the Kingdom Nay Christ himself hath it not actually given him till his coming in the clouds of Heaven vers 13. Marke the words Behold one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient of daies and they brought him near before him and there was GIVEN HIM Glory Dominion and a Kingdom Can any one with any shew of reason conceive that God would have the Saints to take the Kingdom before it be given Christ Is not this then a strang piece of Religion in the People of God Now in the dayes of their conformity to Christ in his humiliation to leave the Rode of all Gods Saints to leap over the Hedge of all positive Laws and break down the Wall of most plain Precepts to pull down Kings and Princes in order thereunto 9. Doth not the Apostle John instruct us that the Time of Christs Reign over the Kingdoms of this world taketh place with the sounding of the last Trumpet