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A00273 A dialogue or Familiar talke betwene two neighbours co[n]cernyng the chyefest ceremonyes, that were, by the mighti power of Gods most holie pure worde, suppressed in Englande, and nowe for vnworthines, set vp agayne by the bishoppes, the impes of Antichrist: right learned, profitable, and pleasaunt to be read, for the comfort of weake co[n]sciences in these troublous daies. Read first, and then iudge. 1554 (1554) STC 10383; ESTC S115543 27,807 78

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on the outwarde thinges we se so our soules are fed with the inward thinges we see not For the verye flesh of Christ is not eaten wyth our bodilye tethe nor his bloude dronke with our bodily mouthes or throtes but it is a sacramental eating done bi the soule minde not by the bodye or carnal instruments of the body Nicho. Howe can we eate but with our tethe or how can we drincke but wyth our throtes Oliu. You shal the better vnderstande thys misterye if you marke Christes dede when his holye sacrament was first instituted Christ him selfe satte at the table with his .xii. Apostles and taking the bread that stode before them euen such bread as they then vsuallye had to eate with the pascall lambe and gaue thanckes to hys heauenlye father and brake that bread and gaue it to them saying Take eate ye this is mi bodi whiche is broken for you They dyd take the bread and did eate as he commaunded them and they dyd drincke the cup that he delyuered them saying this is my bloude of the new testament which is shed for you Yet it was the next daye ere his bodye was broken and hys bloud shed vpon the crosse for vs and he sat whole amongst them at supper and him selfe did eate of that same bread which he called his body and dyd him selfe drink of that cuppe which he called his bloud therfore by faith they dyd receyue and eate his body drink his bloud They beleued that hys death and passion shoulde be for them and into remission for theyr sinnes as we now that Christ is ascended into heauen by faith doo eate his body broken and drincke his bloud shed although that he liueth sitteth on the right hand of his father But Christes veri naturall bodye is not toren with our teethe as the Capernites erroure thincketh nor yet his bloud dornk with our throtes mouthes But Nicholas haue you not a soule as wel as a bodye Nicho. Yes that I haue Oliue what maner of thing is your soule Nicho. By mi troth I can not tel Olyu I thinke Nicholas no more cā the greatest doctor of them al. And therfore because the soule is vnknowen vnto vs the scripture speaking of the soule those thinges that appertain vnto it vseth such wordes as we are aquainted with ascribeth those things vnto the soule that ar proper vnto the body So Dauid said My soule O Lorde thirsteth vnto the. And Christ saith Blessed are those that hunger and thurste for rightuousnes The harty desire of the soule is the hunger and thurst of the soule as the herty desire of meate and drincke is the hunger thurst of the bodi Therfore when a sinner feleth the burden of sinne vpon his conscience and the lacke of strength and power to do the wyl of God and is touched wyth gods spirit to be sory for this vnperfectnes and longeth fain to be deliuered this is the hunger of the soule This hunger is not satisfied tyl he heare the preaching of christes bodie broken for our sinnes that by his bloudshed our synnes ar forgiuen vs our infirmities healed we receiued into the grace and fauour of God But when we beleue this then is our hunger slaked and our thurst put away that is we feare no more dampnation but knowe that in Christ we haue our pardon Thus we eate Christ beleuing that his body was brokē for vs and that his blud was shed for our sinnes Nich. wherfore eat we the Sacrament than we maye do this by hearing the preaching Oliu. I am glad that thou askest me this question for it seemeth thou wouldest faine vnderstand something of this matter As to writinges men set to seales for a confyrmation of the same writinges so Christ set to his worde his Sacramentes for a confirmation of our faith in his worde And to put vs the better in memory of the gifte geuen vnto vs by his word he called the same Sacramentes by the name of the gift geuen vnto vs in them So circumcisiō is called the Lordes league the pascal lambe is called the Lordes passing thorow Egipt Babtisme is called the new birth and the breade and wine is called the bodie and bloud of the Lord. Therefore Nicholas marke wel this In the Lords Sacraments ther ar .ii. things an earthli thing and an heauenli In Baptisme the earthli thing is water that washeth the bodie the heauenlie thing is the blod of Christ that washeth the soule and the holie gost renuing the hole man and sanctifying him in Iesu Christ In the holi supper of the Lord the earthli thing is bread and wine that we receiue at our mouthes into our bodyes which are digested in our stomaks and bi the natural powers conuerted chaūged into our substaūce and the excrementes of thē naturalli cast forth frō vs as other meates be but the heauenlie things at the blessed bodi of our lord sauiour Iesus Christ broken for vs his bloud shedde for vs vpon the crosse which we receiue bi faith with al the blessed frutes and profites that Christ bi his deathe resurrection ascencion intercession and priesthoode hathe obtained for vs. This swetelie and comfortablie we meditate in our mindes bi the working of the holy ghost it is distribute into al our actions dedes and we are wholi receiued into Christ to be one bodie wyth him as S. Paule saieth Heb. ii He that sanctifieth and thei whiche are sanctified are al of one And againe S. Paule saith The cuppe of thankesgeuing which we blisse is partaking of the bloud of Christ and the bread whiche we brake is partaking of the body of Christ For we though we be mani yet ar one bread one bodie in asmuch as we al ar partakers of one bread Nicho. These ar good words but our sir Iohn wil denie all this and we must do as our curate teacheth vs. Oliu. what teacheth he you Nic. That he offereth vp Christ in his Masse for our frendes soules Oliu. Yea but take awai moni that ye like fooles giue him and he wil sing another song In verye dede Christ was offered for our sinnes Heb. ix x but that was once for al and then he offered him self vpō the crosse as our Crede saith after he had so by that offering satisfied vnto God neither neded he anye more to sacrifice nor we ani more sacrifices for vs. For by one oblation once offered he hath made perfect vnto God al that are sanctified Sir Iohn therefore is a false Antichrist and a disceiteful iugler in this point teacheth his owne dreame and not gods worde And I pray you what woorde of God hath sir Iohn to hang vp the Sacrament in the pixe Nicho. Mary sir it is a goodly sight in the churche Oliuer But Nicholas oure crede saith Mat. xvi Lu. xxiiii Actes i. that Christ ascēded in to heauen and sitteth on the right hand of God the
blessed mot he be Oliu. Nicholas ye blesse Christ but you cal his word new learning herisie and babling Nich. Naye that I do not Oliuer Did not you cal the holy readyng of the Byble so euen now Nich. why our sir Iohn telleth vs it was made by king Harry theight Oli. No good Nicholas no. That gratious king set it out and commaūded that the people should reade it without ani letting But the Bible is gods boke and al that is in it is gods truth Therfore the old fathers that we should folow ar Christes prophetes and Apostles and Christ him selfe and not our old grandsires grandames For God geueth an expresse cōmaundement zacha i. saying Be not lyke your forefathers vnto whom the prophets cryed before tyme saying Thus saith the lord god of hostes Turne from your euell waies and from your wicked imaginations they heared not nor toke heede vnto me saieth the Lorde Nich. Our forefathers were good men Olyuer But yet Christ was better Nich. They were wise men Oliu. Yea but yet Christe was wyser Nich. They were holy men Oliue But Christ is holier And what soeuer you can recken of them goodnes i. corin i. wisedome holynes c. Christ excelleth them in al things For he is made of god vnto vs our wisdō rightuousnes holines sanctification Iho. xiiii and redemption Christ is the way the truth and the life and no man can come to the father but by him He that heareth Christes wordes hath life euerlasting But Nicholas tell me cā sir Iohn make an oxe or an horse Nicho. Nay by mi truth I trow not Oli. How can he thē make gods body Nich. It is no matter how we must beleue so for he saith so Olyu Nay Nicholas we must not beleue al that sir Iohn saith but we must beleue all that he saith and hath gods word to confirme his saying And this is an intollerable pride of the papistes to teach the people that thei make gods body Truth it is Eph. iiii that Christ ascending into heauē gaue gyftes vnto men and appoynted church ministers but far other thē greased shauelinges for he apointed Apostles prophetes Euangelistes Shepheardes and teachers Phili. i. And saint Paule calleth the ministers of the church by the names of Bishops and Deacons i. Tim. iii. The office of these ministers appointed by Christ and S. Paul Luk. xiiii is to preach gods word to cal al men to repentaunce and amendement of life Iohn xxi i. Tim. iiii to declare to them that repent the good newes of the gospel Nich. Yea the prests wer wōt to come to our houses to say vs gospels make vs holi water holy bread and so I trust they wil again now Oliue I pray the heare me a litle The gospel is a glad tidings that god the father Luke ii for his sonne Iesus Christes sake ii cori v. is contented and reconciled and receiueth mā againe to his fauour and grace Gala. iiii and wyll for his sonne Iesus Christes loue take vs by adoptiō to be his children Ephesi i. giue vs his holy gost make vs enheritours of eternal life Ioh. xvii And to confirme this promise our Sauiour Iesus Christ hath ordained .ii. holy sacraments Titus iii. Baptisme wherin we are certified that al our sins are washed away in the death of Christ i. corin xi And the holi supper of the lord that when we come together we should take the bread Mat xxvi breake it Mar. xiiii eate it in remembraunce that Christes bodi was vpon the good Fridai offered vp vpō the crosse for our sinnes Luk. xxii and we shoulde al drinke of the cup in rēmembraūce that Christes bloud was shed for our sins Therfore this is the priestes office to preach the death of Iesus Christ and to teach the people to know that none other thing could deliuer them frō their sins and therfore they ought both to consyder the haynous vglines of sin and the great wrath of god ouer it which otherwise wold not be reconciled nor atone with mā Rom. viii Then on the other parte to declare the great mercy loue charitie of god towards vs that spared not his own beloued sōne but gaue him to the death of the cros for vs. Thus shoulde they be moued to repent the euel done to beleue and loue the charitie of God to walke in loue good frendship one to an other euer studying to liue an obedient life after the heauenly fathers wil and commaundementes Nich. Dothe not the priest make Gods bodye Do we not eate gods body Oliu. First answer me if thou can to a question or two Nicho. I wil if I can Oliue Canst thou say thy Creede in Englishe Nicho. Meanest thou the new Creede or the old Crede Oliuer There is but one Creede Nicho. I can saye that my mother taught me Credum deum I was harping at the new a good while but nowe I care not for it Oliue I se it was not for nought that christ said to his Apostles blessed ar the eyes that se that you se Luke x. For euen as then mani were blind and wold not se the light of his worde Iohn ix euen so is it now wel I wil help you out with your question Do you not beleue that the sonne of God came downe from heauen was borne for vs of the virgine Mary takyng our mans nature of her substaūce Nicho. Yes that I do Oliuer And that he was crucified for our sins dead and buried and rose agayne vpon Esterday Nicho. Yes verely Oliu. And that he ascended into heauen ▪ and sitteth on the righte hand of God the father almighti Nicho. Ye mary ye Olyu And frō thence he shall come to iudge the quicke and the dead Nich. Ye mary Olyu Do you beleue this in very dede Nicho. Ye by my trothe Oliuer Then Christes bodye was made in the wombe of the virgin not by sir Iohn but as our Creede saith he was conceaued of the holy gost Luke i. borne of the virgin mari Other making of Christes body ther is none nor neuer was nor neuer shal be Thus our lord sauiour liued in this world August in Ioa. tract Item in pref pī xcviii taught vs the wai of gods truth euē the doctrine that is set out in the holy Byble wherof the chief and principal article is how we are redemed frō our sinnes and receaued into the fauour and grace of God by that holy raunsome of Christes bodye broken vpon the crosse his precious blud that was on the crosse shed for vs. The holy bread geuē at the lordes supper is the sacrament of Christes bodye that was broken on the crosse and the blessed cup that we drincke is the sacrament of that blessed blud shed for our synnes And when we receiue them as our body fedeth vp