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A43724	A continuation of The dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker wherein the truth of those things objected against them in the first part, are fully confirm'd : together with a further account of their perilous and pernitious errors concerning the person of Christ, His satisfaction, justification, sanctification, the ministry, and immediate motions are in this second part, cleerly and plainly represented out of the writings of some of their principal, and most approved leaders / published for the common information of such as either really are, or may be, in danger of being insnared and intangled by them by Thomas Hicks.	Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.	1673 (1673)	Wing H1919; ESTC R21822	53,818	100

constantly affirm then the shedding of Christ's blood upon the Cross was needless and to no purpose Isaac Pennington who I suppose is an approved Quaker asks this question Can outward blood cleanse Therefore saith he We must enquire whether it was the blood of the Vail that is of the humane nature or the blood within the Vail viz. of that spiritual man consisting of Flesh Blood and Bones which took on him the Vail or humane Nature 'T is not the blood of the Vail that is but outward and can outward blood cleanse if not then that blood which Christ shed upon the Cross which was the blood of the Humane Nature is no more then a common thing Secondly If the sufferings of Christ were only exemplary as you likewise affirm then what more do you attribute to the blood of Christ then to the blood and sufferings of other holy persons Thirdly If the mystery of Iniquity lies in the blood of Christ as Edw. Billing most wickedly said it did then is the blood of Christ in your esteem worse then the blood of a common Thief Farther what signifies these words which frequently drop from your mouths Dost thou look at Christs Death afar off what will that Blood avail Didst ever see any of it That carnal blood can outward blood cleanse If thou hadst a great deal of it would it do thee any good Do not these Interrogatories carry with them an open scorn and contempt of that blood which was shed upon the Cross consequently that which is charged upon you is no forgery Quak. Thou sayst we make use of Scripture onely to stop their mouths who call for Scripture proof this is a Slander Chr. If the Scriptures be no Rule yea if it be Idolatry to call the Bible a means as Whitehead expresly sayes it is D. P. pag. 13. Who also affirms That faith grounded on the Scriptures is but an empty Implicit Faith and be-speaks such persons void of the Knowledge of God Christ Salvation and to be yet in their Sins and that such men walk by their own Fancies and Imaginations Christ ascended p. 11. Solo Eccles a great admirer of George Fox discoursing with a Friend of mine in London told him The Scriptures were a lye To whom 't was replyed Why then dost thou mention them The Quaker answer'd To silence thee Nicolas Lucas a real Quaker was moved to declare his mind thus to one I know very well Thou mayst burn thy Bible and when that is done thou mayst serve God as well without it and if thou hast a mind to have a Scripture thou mayst write as good a one thy self Many more instances might be produced these may suffice to acquit me from forgery in this particular what more hast thou to say Quak. Thou sayst that Fox Dewsberry Crisp Whitehead and Pen are exceedingly corrupt in their Morals herein thou hast spoken falsly Chr. Hast thou bid adieu to common honesty art thou endeavouring to prove me a Forgerer and yet at the same time be guilty of it thy self See the Dialogue p. 43. which saith Some of them are exceedingly corrupt in their Morals If you think it your interest to put me on the proof hereof you may when you please and I doubt not if well but to give you full satisfaction herein provided that wilful lying fornication and adultery may be accounted Immoralities what further hast thou to alledge against me Quak. Thou reports that the Quakers deny the resurrection of the Body which is false Chr. George Whitehead in my hearing before near a hundred Witnesses did deny it in these words This Body of flesh and bones shall not rise again who also saith enough in his Pamphlet to acquit me from forgery herein Quak. Thou insinuates as if our sufferings were onely to satisfie our Wills and Lusts herein thou dost greatly wrong us Chr. In this I onely queried what it should be that doth influence you to suffer forasmuch as you deny that this Body shall rise from the dead and consequently can be never the better for what you do or suffer And G. Fox maintains That the Soul is part of Gods Being c. and therefore not capable either of prejudice or advantage whether you suffer or not Again is there any people that ever boasted so vainly of their Sufferings as you do that scarce a Pamphlet can come out from you but the World must hear of your brags in this kind which can have no other meaning then to feed that Principle of Pride that reigns in you and to gain Proselites to your errors c. Quak. Thou also sayst We deny any eternal advantage to be reaped by persons after death In this thou dost abuse us Chr. This is no other then the genuine and direct consequence of denying the resurrection of this Body See 1 Cor. 15.13 14. If no resurrection then is not Christ risen If Christ be not risen then is our preaching vain and your faith vain and ye are yet in your Sins ver 17. Why stand I in jeopardy every hour ver 30. What advantageth me that I have fought with Beasts at Ephesus Let us eat and drink for to morrow we dye ver 32. If we ask you whether a further happiness then now shall be injoy'd by the Saints at the last day you will answer by another question When thinks thou that will be must all the Saints have their hope and faith unanswer'd till then Whitehead Christ ascended p. 34. If we inquire whether you do not wait for any thing further you will tell us That Death and Darkness hath power over our Minds else we would never shew our selves such ignorant Papists in putting Salvation so far off till we know not when according to our carnal conceits Whitehead ibid. If hereupon we ask you Whether you injoy eternal life and felicity now This is your answer The recompence of reward viz. eternal life and felicity is inwardly and spiritually received by those that now suffer for Christ Whitehead ibid. p. 37. I suppose by this time thou art at least may be satisfied that in these instances I was not guilty of forgery and consequently Geo. Whitehead's pretended answer to me carries a manifest lye in the front of it as any may perceive who compares it with the Dialogue Quak. I say thy Dialogue is proved an unchristian forgery Chr. It was inconsiderately and imprudently done by thee to put such words in thy very Title Page since there is nothing in all thy Pamphlet that proves any such thing but the contrary Quak. Thy Dialogue is not onely a forgery but it abounds with contradictions Chr. This thou sayst though the particulars thou hast taken notice of evince no such thing However so it hath hapned though I think not designedly by thee thou hast fully justified that Answer in the Catechism p. 72. You will make your Friends believe we do nothing but contradict our selves Wast thou advised and discreet herein thus to vindicate me even

for the Querist and that he was under that woe from which he should not escape What means he by the Elect for whom no satisfaction is required and to whose charge nothing is laid was not Christ's death for Sin then either for the sins of the Elect or for the sins of others not for the Elect nor for the Querist for whose sins then 'T is evident enough he intended 't was onely for the Seed which Seed is Christ so that Sinners are no wayes concern'd in the Sufferings of Jesus Christ unless you will say That Christ in man is a Sinner O the patience and forbearance of God that should bear with such Blasphemies as these are that ever men pretending to infallible Teachings should so render the Doctrine of Jesus Christ and his Sufferings as to expose them to the greatest scorn and contempt 5. Q. Whether you be reconciled to God by any other Obedience then that very Obedience which Christ perform'd in his own Person or by any suffering or death then that which Christ suffer'd upon the Cross at Jerusalem Quak. Silence Flesh wouldst thou who art an enemy to God know how we are reconciled to God and by what Obedience own the light in thy Conscience and be obedient to that then thou shalt know by what Obedience we are reconciled to God For yet thou knowest no Obedience but art an enemy to the Cross of Christ and in the mystery of Iniquity and in the dark power of the Man of Sin What hast thou to do to talk of Obedience thou art blind and in the broad way that leads to Death Ibid. p. 31. Chr. Is this to give a reason of your Hope with meekness and fear Suppose the Querist as ignorant as his Answerer would represent him ought he not to have endeavoured his Information the question doth deserve a better reply then here is given to it what inconvenience can there be in giving a serious and solid account how we are reconciled to God Was not Edw. Burroughs either ashamed or afraid to speak out what that Obedience is by which you are reconciled William Penn I must confess herein is more free and ingenious with us He confidently affirms Justification by that Righteousness which Christ fulfil'd in his own Person without us is a Doctrine of Devils Apolog. p. 148. I doubt not but Burroughs was of the same mind though he kept it secret from the Querist as much as in him lay Hitherto you see we have not one direct Answer to any Question 6. Q. Whether did not the Man Christ suffer as a publick Person in the Elects stead or in their behalf and for that end That none who believed in him might die eternally Quak. Thou blind Guide makes it manifest that thou knowst not the Man Christ at all nor his Sufferings A publick Person he is not to thee but a mystery thou knows nothing of and for the redeeming of the Elect from under such mouths as thine Christ did and doth suffer and those that believe deny such dumb idol Shepherds as thee Ibid. p. 31. Chr. Still nothing but Impertinent Ravings instead of a direct Answer What doth the Quaker intend by the Man Christ and his Sufferings which he saith the Querist knows not at all Is Christ a publick Person or not did he die for this end That all who believe in him might not die eternally or did he not who or what is the Elect that is under the mouths of such as the Querist for the redeeming of whom Christ did and doth suffer And what is that which Christ doth now suffer for the Redemption of the Elect and what that Bondage is from which he redeems And what is meant by believing and in whom Is it in that Person who suffer'd upon the Cross or the Light within Do not equivocate but 2speak to the Point directly whether that Person that is distinct from all other persons He that was in the World and died upon the Cross rose again and is now at the right hand of God be that very Christ we are to believe in or that it is not our Duty and Interest so to do but meerly to believe in and obey the light within as the onely Mediator between God and Sinners Let us know your minds herein in down-right terms and do not put us off with your witnessings which to us signifie nothing 7. Q. Whether the Sufferings of Christ now in his Saints be all the satisfaction that is made to or which the justice of God looks for for sins pasts present and to come Quak. Thou Blasphemer askest thou knows not what Is not Christ the same as ever and is not the Sufferings of Christ satisfactory where ever what will satisfie if the Sufferings of Christ will not satisfie Let all people take notice what a Blasphemer thou art or what can they learn from such as thee who knows neither the Justice of God nor the Sufferings of Christ in his Saints Ibid. p. 31. Chr. In answer to the fourth Question this Quaker deny'd the Sufferings of Christ to be satisfactory either for the Elect or others and here he grants his Sufferings are satisfactory where-ever but tells us not to whom nor for whom they are so And whereas he talks of Christ's Sufferings in his Saints I would quere whether his Sufferings in that sense be all the satisfaction that is made to or which the Justice of God requires Again it may not be amiss to observe a little the policy of this man who that he might the better hide and prevent any suspition of himself being a Blasphemer he indites and arraigns the Querist as such perfectly in this imitating the Devil who will charge upon another his own fault that thus it is consider the Quakers Opinion of Christ in his Saints which is 't is God and his eternal Power but doth God and his Power Suffer and die in his Saints Is this to exalt the Deity of the Son of God which sometimes you pretend to do to make him subject to death and to death in you but pray how can an immortal immutable Spirit die and in what sense is such a death satisfactory But the misery is ask what question we will in the plainest terms we can the Quakers will answer equivocally and not let us know their minds as one of them said We do not use to trust such with our Opinions as if they were ashamed to own the things themselves believe 8. Q. Whether was not that Body of Jesus which was offer'd upon the Cross at Jerusalem the one and onely Sacrifice for Sin God accepted to which all the Saints did and do look to be justified without any other Works Quak. Here thou replyes thy sottish Queries which rises out of thy dark mind concerning the Body of Jesus as the Devil did about the body of Moses let thy mouth be stopt for the Body of Jesus thou knowst not nor what it consists on and the offering of it