our simple people out of the plame wayes of the Lorde our God and hath put so many toyes of this authour H. N. into their heades that I feare me they will not easily be remoued What trauell he hath taken howe he hath trudged from countrie to countrie and howe he will not once moue his speach if any learned or godly persons that hath any true knowledge of the worde be present is very wel known but among the simple he is péerelesse and in déede the oldest Elder of our English Familie amongst whome he hath his maintenance His wife is resident in London with whom as is supposed he hath not bene these two-yeares In corners doth this man créepe and dare not shewe his head nor maintaine that doctrine which he hath taught but certaine of his pupils haue béene imprisoned who in the end haue subscribed against thâ— doctrine of H. N. which Vittel doth teach Euerie doctrin whiche is true dare abide the light but the doctrin of H. N is kept in corners dare not abide the light a certeine Argument that it is a counterfet doctrine For no one man dare once open his mouth or put penne to paper to defende their Author in England but amongst the simple whose capacitie is like vnto waxe which will easily receiue euerie seale or print among such will he sound his trumpe He saith the last trumpe shall blowe by which he vnderstandeth the last doctrine which shal be published vpon earth â–ª which is as he saith this doctrine of H. N. How he miserably doeth expound the holie scripture vnto the simple people in corners my heart doth lament how he driueth the true sense of the holie Ghost into allegories it pitieth me to heare and other wise to interpret the holie scripture is to sticke in the letter as he vntruly affirmeth But woe be vnto those simple people which doe giue eare vnto such false teachers they can not with the Lorde our God pleade simplicitie and ignorance by no meanes can excuse them If the blinde leade the blinde they both fall into the ditche The greatest gréefe that I conceiue against y Nouices of y Family is that some of them haue béene prosessours of Christ Iesus Gospel according to the brightnesse thereof which by his good will and pleasure he hath reuealed in this latter age most plentiously and now by the doctrine of this Vittell are declined so farre that the true sense of the Gospel they despise and followe the baine and fantasticall humor of Vittels allegories a man vtterly vnlearned more fitte to be a scholler in Christes schoole then an Illuminat Elder in the Familie and so a teacher He that neuer learned Christe Iesus truely â–ª howe caÌ„ he teach Christ Iesus to others And in déede if he taught Christe Iesus he were to be borne withall but that is not the marke they shoote at To set vp H. N. as a Prophet to aduance his preceptes to credite his spéeche to beléeue that he is Godded with God and cannot erre is their whole indeâ—our But amongst the rest in déede they insinuate a good life which they pretende to followe which is as the visard and cloake to hide al the rest of their grosse and absurde doctrine and the hooke and baite whereby the simple are altogether deceiued And this is the subtiltie of Sathan who otherwise could not preuaile with such bewitched doctrine except it were shadowed vnder the cloake of outward holinesse For there is no sound argument a good life is all that is required for vs to do with this the Familie doe séeme to presse Gods children often in conference For if y will serue to saluation I sée not how the Iewe or Turke can be excluded whose workes outwardly if they be viewed shall condemne vs. Howe close vnto the letter of the lawe doeth the Iewe sticke How willingly doe they abide as vagrant and banished men in euerie countrie How pitifully doe they reléeue their brethren whiche want so that none is found to want that which another is not ready to supply which are notes markes of charitie or loue and truely in my opinion we come not néere the Iewe in this point But I pray you what doeth all this auaile without a true and a righte fayth in Christ Iesus the sonne of God The Turke likewise is a great diligeÌ„t obseruer of his Alcaron a great faster or absteiner a great giuer of almes diligent in prayer seuere in kéeping his worde and promise verie charie in kéeping his Sabbathes verie obedient to Princes and Magistrates and to speak truth in many outward vertues doth farre excell vs Christians to our shame it may be spoken but what doth all this auayle For so much as they blaspheme Christ the sonne of God and denie his Godhed and resurrection they haue no part nor fellowship with vs of the promise of God touching Christ our Lord neither are partakers of his mercie which through Christe we féele in our heartes to our great consolation comfort Without faith it is vnpossible to please God. Therefore aright faith in Christe our Lord is cheefely to be required and sought after and then our workes will of necessitie follow For it is the proper fruite of that excellent trée a true faith can neuer be without his works which sticke so close together that they are inseparable A faithfull man can neuer be without good-workes no more then fire can be without heate and yet a faithful man is not without sinne as H. N. doth auouche of his regenerate man We haue many examples to proue that a faithfull man or a regenerat man doth sinne often and to vse the wordes of the Prophet Dauid Septies in die cadit iustus seuen times a day doth the righteous fal This caÌ„not be vnderstood but of a faithfull and regenerat man Dauid was regenerate when he fell into whoredome and murther Peter was regenerat wheÌ„ he denied with cursing Christ our lord Paule was regenerate when he solemnly pronounced those wordes Christe Iesus came into the world to saue sinners of the which number I am the greatest And I am persuaded that we are neuer so néere vnto God our Lorde as when we féele sinne moste heauie God calleth not such as be emptie or féele not the loade of sinne but Come vnto mee all ye that are loaden with sinne I wil refresh you I speake not of the reprobate who in déede féele in this life a hell in their conscience and do dispaire but GODS children do féele themselues wounded with sinne euen to death but by grace giuen from aboue they doe apply that souereigne salue that wholsome medicine Christe Iesus whose passion hath purchased whose bloud hath cleansed whose death hath cured all our diseases and maladies This comfort doth H. N. take away from his Family and placeth in stéed thereof his owne preceptes without comfort to a troubled minde For his doctrine is That wee must growe vp vnto the manly oldnesse
diuision increased a worse heresie then before so that the sonnes of the Diuell gate names â–ª as Phariseis Saduceis Esseis Basilides Cerdonistes Valentianistes Marcionistes Appelles Montanus Sabellius Manes Arius Donatus Macedonius Eunomius Pelagius Eutiches which ingeÌ„dered the Pope and Papistes when â—esus Christ his Church was banishâ—â— by the tyrannie of the great murders from Nero to Domitianus and other through persecution After which time yet to vexe the Church a new came in Menandrians Cherinthus Ebionites Nicholaites Saturninus Taâ—â—anus Messaliani Nâ—scoâ—ians Anabaptistes Libertines aâ—d diuers others whose nature not vnlike to Turdus Syluestris by whose â—yling on the Okâ— or fruite trees the Misâ—le groweth so of the doung of these silthie sâ—â—â—es haue proceeded a nâ—wâ— Mergus a cormorant foule the familie of loue an hereticall sect that hath to bring forth a new puritie in religion supped vp the moste part of former errours which except it plâ—ase the Almightie God in the mercies of his Christe our Lorde and Sauiour the sufferance thereof will giue occasion to a newe persecution It behâ—ueth therefore all reuereâ—d Elders Bishoppes and Preachers to seeke at the handes of our souereigne authoritie to redresse the same or else will assuredly followe the like plâ—gue on vs as was at Munster in Germanie by Dauid George Iohn a Leede Kâ—ipper Dolling and others the seede whereof is H. N. Henrie Nicholas nowe of Colone His disciple here in England Christopher Vittel lotner and many moe whom God turn from this and al other errours if it be his wil or else hasten their ouerthrowe from poysoning the simple as yet to be accounted traitours to God hipocrites to the Prince and false Prophetes in seducing the people Thus gentle Reader I haue presumed to enter into this authours booke these fewe wordes to none other ende then to incourage thee to accept his paines that seeketh by his studie and laborious toile thine ease in bringing to lighte that whiche might else haue longer bene hid to the great hurt of this common wealth And now being brought to light giue God the praise to whom he honour and glorie for euer Amen Stephan Bateman professour of diuinitie The life of Dauid George testified by the Magistrates of Basil which was the founder of the heresie of H. N. and the Familie of loue DAVID GEORGE borne in Delphe a towne of Holland taught his errours in the lowe countrie where he dwelled fourtie yeares and fearing to bée espied by the Magistrates departed out of his countrie Anno. 1544. and iournied towards Basil in Zuitzerland with his familie and kinsfolke named himselfe Iohn of bridges When he was come to Basil he made his complaint to diuers of the Magistrats that he was banished out of his natiue countrie for the word of God and was faine to flée from place to place They tooke compassion of him and made petition vnto the Lordes of the towne for him that it would please them to take him and his for poore subiects and inhabiters of their citie They receiued this answere that they would not denie their citie to any honest stranger being of a good true religion His graue yeares sober speach and modest behauiour with his ancient and comely apparell did not a little preuaile that his petition tooke place so that he and al his companie were made frée men of Basil was in good reputation among the people He was liberall in giuing of almes and full of hospitalitie he maried his daughters very worshipfully he was serued in plate and spent liberally for his scholers in the lowe countries made collections for him so that he wanted nothing Eleuen yeres he dwelt in Basil and it was not espied what doctrine he taught Then he built two houses the one for pleasure in a garden the other in the towne one of the houses was by lightening and thunder consumed with fire also in his own dwelling house one loft fel downe and did much harme al these were warnings of Gods displeasure In processe of time one that married his daughter beganne to mistrust his doctrine and when Dauid George vnderstoode thereof he sent for his sonne in lawe and with many persuasions endeuoured to confirme his sonne to beleeue that he was that right Dauid that was sent from God and should restore againe the kingdome of Israel and build the tabernacle of Iacob in the latter dayes whereunto his sonne answered that the restoring of the kingdome of Israel and al other prophesies of Dauid was fulfilled by Christe With which answere Dauid George was veriâ— angrie notwithstanding with gentle wordes he beganne againe to persuade him y if any thing were too high in his bookes that he could not vnderstand he should commit it vnto God from whom such high wisedome did come He writ diuers bookes especially â—â—â— called The wonder booke wherein he taught his damnable errours He dyed the 16. of August 1556. and was buried in the parish Church of S. Leonardes Many of his disciples tooke great thought after he was dead for that he promised vnto them that he should not die but if he did he would rise again within thrée yeares and fulfil all his former promises Diuerse of his disciples and schollers forsooke his heresies after his death and confessed themselues deceiued and acknowledged Dauid George to be a very blasphemer of our sauiour Christ. But certaine would not but conueyed them selues away and infected others The Magistrates of Basil when they vnderstoode of his doctrine and manners they called before them all such as they suspected to holde of Dauid George and searched their houses founde the bookes and letters which he had written and when the Lordes of Basil had all they caused them to recant solemnely in the chiefe Church all such articles as Dauid George had taught them They founde also in Dauid Georges house a picture of Dauid Georges person veriâ— curiously cunningly couÌ„terfet which together with the carcase of Dauid George his bookes letters c. were burned in the Market place his goodes and landes seised to the vse of the town All the rest that were knowne to holâ—e that errour did willingly abiure the same and so were receiued as members of Christes Church Yet did not his heresies cease for diuerse were in Holland that stifly did maintain Dauid Georges heresies and peruerted many among which number was Henrie Nicholas thought to bee chiefe who after the death of Dauid George tooke vpon him to mainteine the same doctrine not in the name of Dauid but in his owne name as a Prophet sent to rebuke the world of sin and iniquitie hath written many books in the Dutch tong in a rude stile which many of his schollers fellowes haue translated into diuers languages his Euangelium Râ—gni is in Latin many also are in a Dutch letter in English translated as is supposed by Christopher Vittell a ioyner dwelling somtime in Southwark who hath by his trudging about
Howe he commendeth euery trifling toye in the Masse by the booke may at large appeare Howe he allowed confession worse then auricular may appear by diuers his owne words which least any should carpe at me I wil set down Howe he agréeth with the Papistes in extolling workes as efficient causes of our saluation I haue before toucheâ— Al which do proue that he is no professour but an enimie to the Gospell of Christe our Lorde H. N. in the first exhortation Chapter 13. Diuision 12. IT is expedient that they shoulde make manifest their whole hart with all their counsels mindes willes and thoughtes together with all their doings dealings and exercises naked and bare before the eldest in the Familie of Loue and not to couer or hide any thing be it what it is before him what their inclination nature draweth them vnto By this it doth appeare that nothing must be kept vntolde or vnreuealed to the eldest Elder in euery their seuerall conuenticles for else it can not be vnderstoode that one man in one countrie shoulde heare all the rest particularly And here they step one foote before the Papistes in my opinion For where the Pope requireth but a confession of the act committed H. N. requireth a declaration of the thought and what the inclination of our nature draweth vs vnto And yet in moe speciall pointes they agrée with the Papistes namely in the possibilitie of the Law to be kept of euery one that will séeke to performe the same And wheras I shewed before that H. N. and the Pope doe both boaste that they can not erre I thinke it not amisse to let H. N. tel his owne tale touching this matter that his scholers may behold that I slaunder him not neither do make his doctrine worse then it is In the first exhortation Chapter 13. Diuision 11. Fol. 31. They ought to beware that they distrust not the eldest in the familie of Loue nor suspect any maner of euil or vnwisdome by him nor yet in any wise persuade them selues that the exercises documents and instructions which are taught or set foorth before them by the father of the Familie of Loue or oldest Elder are too sleight too childish or too vnwise for them to follow after or to obey but with perfect heartes humbly and singly minded as good willing children to receiue the same instructions proceeding out of the wisdome and counsel of the eldest and to stand euen so submitted till they come vnto the manly oldnesse in the Loue. Here is shewed that none must suspect the oldest Elder touching any false Doctrine that he might vtter â–ª nor to thinke any vnwisdome to be in him in which affirmation howe arrogantly doth he challenge that vnto him which is only due to Christ our Lord and to the holy scripture written by the spirite of god And although he bost that he hath the spirite of God and that he is Godded with God God in him Hominified or made man yet are not wée to beléeue suche lying spirites whiche vtter such absurd and blasphemous doctrine contrarie to the Scriptures of god And bycause I am entered into that high point of Diuinitie which amongst the Familie is counted a misterie I thinke it not impertinent to set before the eyes of all the professours of H. N. and his doctrine what the meaning of those termes are to be Godded with God for as they be straunge vnwoonted and vnaccustomed speaches so the doctrine taught in the same is more strange and absurd It were conuenient that we that professe Christe should be content with such phrases as the holy Ghoste doth vtter in the sacred Scriptures and not to séeke curiously strange termes which are not in the holy historie nor consequently can not be gathered out of the same of which number this is one to be Godded with God and vngodded with man the meaning of all such tearmes is this as it is taught by H. N. and imbraced of the Familie They holde as a principle in the schoole that after regeneration we sinn not fortifying this their assertion with this place of the Euangelist S. Iohn He that is borne of God sinneth not hee that committeth sinne is a seruaunt of sinne Againe God heareth not sinners All which places are very truely saide and alledged but to a wrong purpose for the places do not proue that the regenerate man sinneth not but sheweth y sins are not imputed to a regenerate man to condemnation and death He that is borne of God or regenerate sinneth not That is to his distruction euerlastingly The Scriptures do teach vs to distinguish sinnes in this sort to commit sinne is one thing but to abide in sinne or to dwell in sinne or sinne to haue dominioÌ„ in vs as S. Paul saith Let not sinne reigne in your mortall bodies and in the epistle to the Romanes Commit not wickednesse with greedinesse is another thing The last perteineth not to the elect of God For as the children of God do daily fall thorough frailtie and humane imperfections so they are daily renued by the spirite of God which driueth them to repentaunce But with the wicked the case is otherwise For they sitte downe in the seate of the scornefull they committe wickednesse with gréedines saying tush God séeth vs not such sinners God heareth not and such be seruantes vnto sinne Now in the Familie it is otherwise taught and otherwise beléeued For they affirme that after we be regenerated which they terme The vpright freedom we actually sin not neither in thought nor déed And y we may heare the Authour H. N. vtter his own spéech I will set downe what he writeth touching this matter In the Dialogue deuision 26. follio 40. The true freedom is this that the man in his heart minde and spirite be wholy released purged and purified from all wicked nature and sinne whiche hath raigned ouer him and that there dwel liue nor rule any other thing in him namely in all his spirites thoughts mind and soule but alone the true Godhead with the louely beeing of the vpright loue and wholy to be replenished with all the vertues of God and that there â—â—owe nothing else in him but spirituall and heauenly waters Hereby it may appeare what the Authour H. N. thinketh touching regeneration whiche they call The vpright Freedome And as I haue conferred with diuers of the same familie to vnderstand these mysteries which in the end with much a do I haue found out to be y after we be regenerat we sinn not And when I haue required somewhat out of y holie scripture to proue this in the end I haue receiued this for answer God doth promise to dwell with the man that is of a lowly mind humble heart Also ye are the Temples of the holie Ghost And againe the father and I wil make our habitation in man Nowe where Christ dwelleth there also is the father and the holie Ghost where or in
and inherite the peace He threateneth the ministers of God whome he calleth Caynish persecuters and murtherers that they haue falsely iudged his Family He commandeth them to cease from iudging God his matters saying they vnderstand it not He pronounceth the heauie curses of the lawe against them if they repent noâ— Last of all he telleth that the glorious Lordlinesse of GOD shall in him be manifested declared and fulfilled If H. N. do not shew him selfe naked bare in this his pride I report me to the indifferent view of the Family especially such as are not entred into that gulfe that no truth can be taught by any other then by H. N. and his Elders whether these spéeches procéede from the spirite of God or from the spirite of pride and presumtion Let them indifferently iudge and espie the deceipt where it lurketh namely to discredite all the children of God which teach the Gospel of Christe Iesus and to plant his doctrine and teaching in stead thereof and in déede it is the marke he shooteth at but I hope in vain to al y be Gods children What is this but to take away our comfort in Christes death and promises and to be deceiued with the subtilties of a seduced and erronious spirite and to discredite the Gospel that we might depend vppon H. N. and his doctrine O subtile Satan if thou couldest bring this to passe which thou goest about in thy members then haddest thou thy desire to set vp thy selfe and tread downe the bloud and death of the Lambe of God which hath taken away the sinnes of the worlde But our God hath promised to kéepe vs his children euen as the apple of his eye For as a Father hath compassion on his children so hath the Lord compassion on them that feare him Psalme 103. ver 13. So that Almightie GOD doeth prouide for his childreÌ„s safty from such poisoned infection and suffereth others that willingly will wander out of the plaine wayes of Christ which the Scriptures of God doe point vnto them Of all the errours that euer the diuell did sowe to disturbe the Church of Christ none is more subtile then this y no trueth can be taught by any other then by H. N. and his Illuminate Elders it is false seducing deceiuing what any other do teache Alas why should mortal man be thus lifted vp and take vpon him Christ his office calling for this prerogatiue onely hath Christ Iesus and none other to teache all truth for it is one of his speciall titles I am trueth Whither doth H. N. thrust himselfe by this proud challenge y al truth is only taught by him and his and caÌ„ not be taught by any other sure into Christ his seat office but with Lucifer the Prince of pride he shal be thrown down headlong all such as in their puffed mindes doe exalte themselues aboue their state and condition For of all vice and sinne whiche man doth commit none is more odious in God his sight then pride especially the pride of the minde in the highest degrée as this is to place a vile man in Christ Iesus his office and calling Into suche errours doe they runne whiche content not them selues with the manifest and plaine testimonies of God to vs reuealed in his worde but curiously séeke for nouelties at the hands of mortall men yea vile men and of the worst condition and yet so close they sticke vnto this heresie by the persuasion aforesaide that no trueth can be taught but by H. N. that I feare me the disease is incurable â–ª except the Lord in mercie open their eyes that they may â—spie at the last into what miserable and vile errours and heresies they are snared which they shall neuer doe so long as they holde that principle aforesaide Yet we of the Lordes housholde will not let to do our dueties to admonishe you and shew you the greatnesse and daunger of your backslydinges in charitable manner And although this simple admonition will little preuaile to stirr vp your minds to acknowledge with vs the trueth of Christ Iesus his Gospell yet knowe this vndoubtedly that almighty God hath in his Church men of zealous minds that will not sée Christes glorie so defaced and his Gospel so despised but will in learned manner write against your Family and are able to declare your errours whiche my vnlearned head is not able to bring to passe Although thys will not moue your mindes yet my conscience is quieted in that I haue done my best for your conuersion and discharged my duetie which I owe vnto the Churche of Christ as a member thereof to open and detecte your leaders and teachers which abuse your simplicitie without measure and instruct you that conference is not good that you may professe the doctrin of Henrie Nicholas inwardly and be subiect to the doctrine of the Gospell outwardly whiche in plaine spéech is to dissemble with GOD. For you are obedient to such doctrine as is taught you communicate with vs in Christes sacramentes you heare our teachers expound the scriptures and yet you credite and beléeue onely H. N. and his doctrine taught by Vittell Is not this plaine hypocrisie will God be thus mocked If God be God followe him If Baal be he follow him In Gods trueth we must be of a single minde without halting hypocrites and dissemblers he vtterly abhorreth If Christes Gospell be a trueth as the diuels were driuen to confesse then assuredly H. N. by the same doctrine is manifested to be a lyer and hath not the spirite of God but the spirite of pride in a boasting minde Lift vp your heades and sée in time vnto your health and saluation searche the scripture more diligently and leaue the riddles of H. N. and you shal perceiue more contrariâ—tie in their teaching then I haue expressed you shal rest in the coÌ„fortable promises of Christ our Lord and as for H. N. and his promises what haue we to doe with them let them with their Authour perish in obliuion and be deceiued no more therwith then shall ye féele how swéete the Lorde is and what comfort we haue in Christ Iesus which none can expresse but such as taste thereof féele it working in them selues to immortalitie which comfort is not found in the writinges of any mortall man Knowe this for certaine Lex Domini immaculata conuertens animas The Lawe of the Lorde is a perfect Lawe and conuerteth soules â–ª The lawes preceptes and writings of men are all vnperfecte Why doe ye cleaue vnto H. N. and his Bookes and leaue this perfect lawe of righteousnes which leadeth to life euerlasting If this warning will not serue I shal sorrowe vntil God open your eyes that ye may sée your gréeâ—ous reuolte and into what grinnes and snares of the diuell you are wittingly ledde but my prayer shall not be wanting for you to desire the Lord in mercie for his Christes sake that he will at the last
and passion is impaired and lessened Looke therfore into Christes office with a right spirite and you shall sée plainely in him the Lawe to be fulfilled for vs so y what he hath fulfilled y haue we full filled for it is made ours by grace otherwise we caÌ„not kéep the law but by Christ neither are you able to shewe vs any example that any Patriarches Prophetes or Apostles that euer were did euer kéepe the lawe of God in euery point as good requireth Nowe touching the authoritie of S. Ierome I aunswere by Ierome who writing against Pellagius doth shew two maner of perfections the one to be agreable to the vertues of God whiche is voyde of all sinne and here one earth declared in the person of Christ the other which agreth with our frailtie is not pure froÌ„ sin which argueth an impossibilitie to fulfill the lawe otherwise then in the person of christ And in déed almightie God did not coÌ„mand impossible things for somuch as Christ being perfect maÌ„ fulfilled y law for vs which vtterly declareth our weakenes inhabilitie to perfourme the same For if by any other means y wrath of God could haue bene pacified or his lawe satisfied Christ his onely sonne our blessed sauiour and redemer had not neded to haue ben incarnat to become man to work this great effect for vs And surely they the acknowledge our habilitie in perfourming the law do mightilie shake the office death of Christ our Lord leaue in our conscience such a clog as is hardly remoued Dauid demandeth Who can say my hart is cleane again God looked down froÌ„ heauen amoÌ„g the sons of men and ther was not one righteous no not one Many of the fathers did sée our impossibilitie in perfourming the lawe therfore Austen saith al the commauÌ„dements of God are accoÌ„pted to be don when y is pardoned which is vndone To coÌ„clude almighti god neuer giueth such grace to any his childreÌ„ absolutely to fulfill his law but only to Christ by him is that performed It is no derogation to our God in giuing a lawe which we cannot performe but coÌ„mendation in sauing deliuering vs from y law notwithstaÌ„ding our weakenes in performing y same And if we did right ly examine our selues our own conscience doth wel verifie the same but sathaÌ„ is an enemy heretoo the he might by pride puffe vp our minds with a vain imagination the we are able to do performe y which God in his law requireth so to perswade our minds thereby the Christs death doth smally auaile or help vs here in But of this argument this is sufficient y Godly learned are able to say much more if you require herein to be satisfied The Lord direct our minds into the way of truth let thy people O-Lord not be ledde into error by sathans practise Then Lord giue vs al humble minds Amen This aunswere is to E. R. Your friend I. R. An other letter of the familie conteyning a Reply to the aunswer of I. R. to their first letter WE haue receiued a Letter from you maister Rogers dated the 29 of Ianuarie as an aunswer to a former letter which came to your handes wherein you say was manie inuectiues against your booke as also verie manie contumelious and slaunderous speches touching your honestie c. wherevnto wee aunswere breefely he is honest that honestly doth But wee vse no disdainfull speeches sauouring of enuie and not of loue like as you vnrightly report of vs we charge you not but we saye your allegation concerning Christopher Vittell is vntrue as my lord of Caunterburie that now is can witnesse and therefore say wee looke well to your weightes measures and wares from henceforth The contents of your booke disquieteth not our moode your cause is surely dishonest then what honestie wee aske can proceede thereout but yet wee hope you haue done it all out of ignorance and therefore worthie of lesse reprehention And in that you haue reprehended the loue of God and Christ we haue not therein mystaken you at all for were the loue of God and Christ manifested in you like as you saye it is vnto you then could you not verely haue so impudently in the face of all the worlde â–ª belyed and slaundered your poore neighbours as you haue done who neuer did you harme You say if we were of God and Christes houshold you and we were fellowes and you would embrace vs but you call vs strangers of the housholde and as straungers lurke in corners c. we aunswere of such an houshold as you haue challenged to your selues wee are straungers and the feare of your rigorous dealings hath in deede made some of vs to flye lurke in corners we say still your foundation is against one H. N. whome you neuer knewe nor rightly vnderstood of and you answer that his doctrine is not vnknowen vnto you whose bookes ye haue to shewe Wee wish it were euen so And whereas the name of Christ is shadowed by two carecters A. O. euen so we haue heard that there is some meaning more then you or wee can well tell in these two carecters H. N. Notwithstanding if any man become so captious as to gather and report therevpon that we should therefore denye any outward man or creature he doth not onely mistake vs but also in reporting the same againe to others slaunder vs therein verie much You say you haue truely set downe the same mans life not hear-sayes but the trueth c. whome yet you confesse you neuer knewe then it can be nothing but hearesayes that you write And you saye that the reporters are honest and of Christes church To which we say againe that those of Christes church occupie not their mouthes with vntruethes albeit then they stand neuer so well liked of you or any other for wee knowe that they say not truely And wheras wee haue set downe the true principles of our faith and religion in a breefe rehersall which ye confesse to be sound and good yet because that agreeth not to your minde in that we confesse not somwhat therein whereby ye might haue your slaunders verified against vs which ye looke for by our own confession it is you say plaâ—sible and mockerie See into your disposition if we would accuse our selues albeit falsly with any matter that you accept gladly but if we in trueth simplenesse aunswere for our selues that ye reieâ—t vtterly Oh what nature that good is would so seeke to hurt his brethren And further ye saye that the auctor of those bookes termeth you a diuellish Sinagogâ—e or scoole and that you are not the churche but an harlot and if you and wee say you professe one baptisme one Christ one faith c. why are we scuered in Comunion Of this matter we will speake here following And where you saye that certeine of our familie haue been conuinced subscribed and recanted and haue promised neuermore to professe H.
dominion in vs it raigneth not in vs we are not seruauntes to sinne this the scripturs teach in many places but that we shall quench it vtterly or subdue if with all the motions thereof the scriptures teach vs no such doctrine being rightly vnderstoode Looke I pray you what that holy vessell saint Paul spake of himselfe after he was regenerate Romaines 7. verse 14. I am carnal sold vnder sinne for I allowe not that which I doe For what I would that doe I not but what I hate that do I. It is not I that doe it but sinne that dwelleth in me Againe verse 23. I delight in the law of God concerning the inwarde man but I see an other law in my members rebelling against the lawe of my minde and leading mee captiue vnto the lawe of sinne which is in my members When he entred farre into the consideratiō of this his frailtie he exclaymed said verse 24. A wretched man that I am who shall deliuer me frō the body of this death And in these extreame considerations and battell which we haue with sinne cōtinually euen vntil death make an end saint Paul by the spirite of God doth plainely arme Gods children and sheweth the remedie in like cōflicts saying I thank god through Iesus Christ our Lord c this is brought to passe by him that sinne is not imputed vnto vs But as Dauid saide Blessed is the man whose sinnes are couered And this is wrought only without vs not in vs as you imagine So y our battell is continual and neuer ended in vs vntill we be dissolued and at rest with Christ Iesus contrary to your assertion You sée no cause you say that we shoulde be enimies to so good a doctrine as you professe If your doctrine were good and agréeable to the holy scriptures we woulde embrace it but because it is contrarie there vnto we reiect it To forsake that false sinfull nature with you we simply agrée but with the Poet we say Naturam expellas furca tamen vsque recurret To be at defiance there with and bidde battell against it we agrée but to conquer it to kill it or subdue it vtterly in this life that we deny That God can doe this by his powre in vs we denie not but that he will do it in vs as you affirme the scriptures allowe not of For it standeth not with the glorious office of Christ Iesus that such perfection and such a conquest of sinne should be wrought in vs but that we féeling our miseries our wants our weakenesse◠might sue by peticion in earnest prayer for strength for mercy for deliuery which all the Godly in Christ his church haue euer done For we are neuer nearer vnto our God nor neuer more accepted with him then when we feele sinne as a burthen or loade lye heauely vpon vs nor neuer further of then when by illusion of sathans persuasion we imagin sinne to be quenched or conquered All such as ouercome in the battell you say shall knowe the name written in the white stone mencioned by Iohn You say further that such as haue no lust to ouercome that earthly sinfull nature but haue more lust to take part therewith knowe nothing thereof although they boast of their knowledge or fréedome neuer so much This knowledge therefore you would conclude to be in you and not in vs Your knoweledge we enuie not nor your séeking to serue the Lord vprightly For our whole care studie minde is bent to do the same and we pray you hartely to ioyne your selues to vs that you and we may serue the Lorde our God as he hath commaunded and not H. N. and his precepts Looke into the holy bookes of our God and deale not with the darke riddles of H. N. Set not vp his bookes in your mindes so highly The Scriptures are our comfort and our stay without H. N. He exerciseth a greate Popedome among you You had rather speake and vse his phrases not found in holy scripture then content your selfe with the phrases of the holy Ghost You often mencion these tearmes the lying being the vpright fréedome Godded with God the newest day the louely being of the loue c. Are these to be founde in the holy Scripture or are they not deuised by H. N. to bring admiration to his doctrine by straunge and vnaccustomed speach If the loue of God be in you as you woulde haue vs beléeue it is loue the Lorde Iesus and his holy worde and let H. N. with new tearmes and phrases goe Belieue not that God hath wrought in him any such a worke as you pretend examine his doings and sayings better you wil credit nothing that is spoken against him be it neuer so true you except it as lyes and heresies what soeuer testimony his neighbours famyliers who knewe him long vppon their oth shall affirme but according to your conceiued opinion you like him you imbrace him you onely credit his testimonies dislyking others which if you continue as you begin there is neither hope nor helpe nor conference that can doe you good vntill the Lorde shake away the mist of darknesse which ouer shadoweth your eyes through the doctrine of H. N. that you cannot beholde the bright beames of Christ his glorious gospell Your authors doctrine is not sufficiently knowen vnto some of you the fragments whereof you are but meanly acquited with the secreat part of his purpose I doubt as yet is not extant and more of his works are abroad then are come to your handes therefore for the loue of God looke better into his minde and credite not his bare sayings without warrant of holy scripture neither beléeue that almightie God hath wrought in him any such extraordinary power as is imagined The cause the moued me to write these thinges is a little booke came to my handes of late called Mans falling away his comming againe and Lordlynesse In the first section you shall finde this written worde for word H. N. his words See and marke ye beloued in the beginning when god made al things wel then was the Lorde one Lorde of his kingdome and one God of his workes there was also no more but one God and one man and they were one and had in all one order being and nature for God was all that the man was and man was all that God was Beloued when God looked on the man which he had made according to the like being of his godhed then looked he vpon him selfe as the same clerenesse of his liuing godhed Likewise when the man looked vpon his God his ientle clene vnspotted manhode in all full comlinesse in all honestie fayrenesse in all fashion and being according to the same Godhed so this was al one God the man. I pray you loke into this doctrin whiche your Authour H. N. teacheth examine it by thy holy scriptures and iudge rightly therein whether this can by any colour of