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A43115 The Quaker converted; or the experimental knowledg of Jesus Christ crucified, in opposition to the principles of the Quakers, declared in a narrative of the conversion of one in Hartfordshire, who was for some years of their faith and principle, and inclined unto them. The manner how he was wrought off from them by the Lord. And several dealings of Christ with his spirit afterwards. With some things annexed for detection of their errors and delusions, and prevention of the growth thereof. Written by himself in his own words and phrases. Likewise an epistle dedicatory by W. Haworth, minister of the gospel at Hartford. Dimsdale, William.; Haworth, William. 1690 (1690) Wing H1196A; ESTC R43046 28,241 35

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say in thine Heart or have such things arise in thee saying Would such pg a Man's House or Lands were mine Or is he in a fair Trade Dost not thou desire or wish in thy Heart That thou couldst get into his Trade or Doth he live bravely in the World Dost not thou desire his Trade that thou mightest live as he Or art not thou ready to envy him because thou canst not do as he doth If there be any such things as these it is not right in the sight of God Hebr. 13.5.1 Tim. 6.8 Art thou a Servant art thou at all times content in thy Heart with thy Wages Doth not something arise in thee to the contrary Luke 3.14 If there be any such things though they are not known to Man yet God knoweth them all and they are enough to bring Man under the Curse Now all these things ought to be done at all times Deut. 18.19 For Christ did that which pleased God always After all these and hundreds more that might be reckoned up if thou canst say thou dost them it will be required whether thou dost them all purely out of Love for whatever is done if it be not in Love to God it availeth not Now if thou keep the Commandments of the Lord and walk in his holy Statutes that thou mightest get into his Love and Favour and that thy Peace might be made thereby and that thou mightest be free from Condemnation Hell Death and eternal Torment I cannot judg it to be purely of Love as though thou waft Free from fear of the Wrath of God to all Eternity For suppose two Men in this Nation should commit Treason ye know the Law is Death but the King thereof being merciful pardoneth the first for ever and solemnly engageth never to punish him according to the Law in token of which he maketh him his Chamberlain or other Officer promoting him to Honour Unto the second he faith I will forgive thee also If thou for the time to come hearken to me and keep all my Statutes thou shalt be advanced to the like Honour but if thou walk in Disobedience to my Will I will assuredly cut thee off Whether of these two judg ye serveth the King purely in love So is it in this Case if thou dost walk in the Commands of God that you mightest be delivered from the Wrath to come it is a slavish thing out of this number did the Lord find Arrows to wound me with I had several Objections which perhaps may be in the Spirits of some I will name some and answer them as I am able Object 1. If I do walk in all things which the Lord hath made known unto me is it not enough Will the Lord punish me for that which I do in Ignorance Answ Art thou ignorant May not I bring thee into the number of those that are willfully ignorant or willingly ignorant seeing the Scripture faith The knowledg of Sin is by the Law Rom. 3.20 7.7 Wherefore had it thou searched the Law and enquired into the Mind and Will of God to the utmost of thy Power mightst not thou have attained to more Knowledg than thou hast done in the Law of God But if thou art ignorant thy Ignorance will not excuse thee For the Lord did institute an Offering for Sin committed in Ignorance which declares He required Satisfaction to be made for all Sin if committed in Ignorance Also he that knew not the Will of his Lord and did things worthy of Stripes is not to be freed Lev. 4.2,3 Luk. 12.48 Sometimes I have had this Objection but am satisfied as followeth Object 2. There are Temptations arising in me to Evil but Christ was tempted and was it not so with him had not he these arising in him Answ No. If those Temptations do proceed from the Lust of the Flesh which the Scripture mentions Jam. 1.14 Rom. 1.27 then had he none For he was in the Form of God thought it not Robbery to be equal with God seeing he was the Son of God he was his righteous Servant the Man his Fellow He was Holy Undefiled knowing no Sin therefore he had no sinful Nature then was there no Temptations no inclinations no desire to Evil in him proceeding from from his Flesh Col. 2.6 Isa 53.11 Zech. 13.7.2 Cor. 5.21 Luke 1.35 But if you say these Temptations and Inclinations proceed from the Devil then had he none for he saith Joh. 14.30 The Prince of this World cometh and bath nothing in me If then he had nothing in him then he had not so much as a place to stir up evil Motions or evil Desires in Him for when he was tempted the Devil spake to him with a Voice as I conceive from those Passages which say he said unto him Mat. 4. Luk. 4. which I do not remember is mentioned on that accompt but in Gen. 3. to them in Paradise Object 3. But this is a Third which lodged long with me The Lord hath commanded Man to walk in his Law to love the Lord his God with all his Heart Soul and Strength and his Neighbour as himself and if it be not attainable wherefore did the Lord command it Answ In these things have I found the Law to be of use 1. By it I was convinced of Sin Spiritual 2. And saw the height and strictness of the Righteousness which the Lord did require for Salvation 3. My failings and inability to keep this Righteousness 4. To humble me and lay me at the Feet of God for Mercy 5. That my proud Spirit might submit unto the Righteousness of a Person acted without me which before would not 6. The Commands of God to Holiness were of use to me when I was stirred up to Ranting to turn the Grace of God into Wantonness and sin that Grace might abound 7. Also when I was falling into Despair of the Grace of God saying Christ died for the remission of Sins committed before he manifested his Love to me but afterwards I must work for Life and Salvation keep all the Commandments of the Lord or else Damnation will be my portion Then it was of use to me to turn me or drive me to the Grace of God because I saw I could not come up to the height of those Commands 8. And is of use to me to this day when I consider the Height and the Depth the length and the Breadth of the Law of our God to cause me to prize the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ in which is Justification Sanctification Redemption to include all sure Salvation being lifted up through Faith in Christ above the Law and the Power of Works Death and Hell that from henceforth we should serve him without fear to the Praise of his Holy Name for ever Amen Having thus run over the Heads of these things it pleased the Lord I should be hamper'd in and according to the knowledg He hath given me I have laid them down if happily they might be of use to others not as though I were able to contend and Answer all Objections that my Adversaries may raise against me having had but a little time in these things And though I am compassed about with troubles yet will I call upon the Lord for Strength to stand up under them For in my Infancy in Christ great was my trouble yet did the Lord bear me up and deliver me which giveth me ground to believe He will yet stand by me and strengthen me and preserve me unto his Heavenly Kingdom Many more things might I reckon up but in those may be seen these two things First The Backwardness of Man the Unwillingness of this Spirit to come unto Christ and submit to his Righteousness Secondly Being come to see this Life and Salvation by the Death of Christ alone how ready is Man to for sake it and join something with it some Works some Duties some-thing which pleaseth Man and eclipses the Glory of Christ then all is well enough Unto this I might reckon up many things but this I say The Light of the Gospel to me for many Months was as the light of a Gloworm by the way-side a small thing ready to be passed by or as a By-way in comparison of the chief Road to the great City the heavenly Jerusalem It was so much against Reason being without the Works of the Law The way of the Gospel is as an unbeaten Path the Lord knows People walk not by Troops in it For the Gospel is too glorious for Man's Reason to comprehend Therefore the Law is embraced and Errours do flow as Water from a Spring but forget not this That by the Will of God ye are sanctified through the Offering of the Body of Jesus once for all He is our Righteousness our Peace our All we are compleat in Him perfected for ever through Faith without the Deeds of the Law this will stand when all the rotten righteousness of Man shall fall Therefore unto the King Everlasting and only Wise God be Glory Honour and Praise for ever and ever W. D. FINIS
Satisfaction from Rom. 6. most eminent for this thing By which thing I was pretty easily turned from this thing but in my Search met with that Passage Rom. 3.25 Whom God hath set forth to be a Propitiation through Faith in his Blood to declare his Righteousness for the Remission of Sins that are past From whence I did apprehend that Christ died for the Remission of my Sins which I had committed before He did manifest his Love to me but afterwards I was to work for Life and for Salvation and to keep all his Commandments or else Hell would be my Portion And being taken in the same Snare of Sin as I was before Convictions grew Strong upon me my Burthen grew heavy upon me Insomuch that I did say at length Christ was of no Advantage of no prosit to me if he had never died it had been as well with me Under which troubles I was a great while until the Lord gave me light into two Scriptures which did in some measure relieve me which are these Rom. 10.9 That If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thy Heart that God hath raised Him from the Dead thou shalt be saved Heb. 10.14 For by one Offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified And being able to see a Sanctification by being justified by the Death of Christ and viewing the Word ever I had much relief yet was I not at quiet having not settlement of Spirit but had Reasonings lay in the Bottom of my Heart in this manner If I might not go on in Sin and when I did not go on in Sin my Works did not make any thing for my Justification for I was Justified without them then what use were they for or for what end And the Lord gave me light into Four Things which did greatly settle me which are these First It was for the Glory of God in my Generation and for the Honour and Praise of his Name which hath begotten a lively Hope in me through Jesus Christ Secondly To manifest my Love to Jesus Christ which gave his Life a Ransom for me For how should I make it appear that I love Him but by keeping his Commandments Thirdly To convince the World of Sin by my refraining from that which is evil Fourthly It is my Duty as I am a Son to God in Jesus Christ to keep his Commandments and to obey and do his Will from whence I had settlement in my Spirit having Joy and Peace with God through Jesus Christ seeing a Beauty in Death now more than in Life often-times because then I should be freed from the Corruption of my Flesh and be at rest with the Lord. It being near Eighteen Months since I had the view of the Love of God in Jesus Christ After which time I was desirous to have some Discourse with some that I judged honest Men that I might see whether there was a Difference between them and me and accordingly had retaining to my self most part of my Experiences After which I returned for the most part to my former Life keeping little Company yet aiming to grow in the knowledg of the Mysteries of God in Jesus Christ Having after this manner been carried on by the Will of God having known two Faiths two Joys two Peaces and two sorts of Hope perhaps it may be thought requisite to speak something as touching the difference between them For satisfaction therefore I will insert some few things by way of Question and Answer Quest Was that Light by which I was convinced of Sin and by Obedience thereunto thought I should be brought into the Image of Christ and in that Righteousness be accepted with God and delivered from the Wrath to come Was it the Light of the Spirit of Christ Yea or Nay Answ Nay if I may judg of the Tree by the Fruit. Quest What Light is it then Answ The same with that which the Heathens had by Nature Sixteen Hundred Years since mentioned Rom. 2.14 Quest How know I that since they lived so many Years before my time Answ Because it chiesty pointed unto the same things which are recorded that they did namely the things contained in the Law Quest What things did I see or what things did I apprehend by that Light which now I see are false things Answ Three things I shall Name at the present First I did apprehend by the Light within that the Motions the Desires which arose in me to Evil were no Sin if I did not consent to Act according to them Secondly That the Doctrine of Christ making Satisfaction for all my Sins was a Doctrine tending to Loosness Thirdly I thought by the Righteousness in which I lived wrought in me by the Light which I thought was Christ himself I then Judged I should be saved at the Day of Judgment Quest What do I now apprehend by the Light of the Spirit which is now in me as concerning the First of these Three Answ I apprehend that every Motion and Desire arising in me to Evil tho not consented to nor put into Action is a Sin against God because it doth spring from the Corruption of Mine own Flesh and from the Root of Bitterness dwelling in this Body wherefore if this Body be mine then is that which dwelleth in it mine Quest What do I apprehend concerning the Second Answ To this I say Far be it from me that I should say That Christ being offered once for all should be a thing tending to Looseness having found by Experience Faith in this Doctrine is the only Spring from whence true Christian-Works do flow For so soon as ever the Lord gave me light into that Doctrine and seeing a Glorious view of Christ that very moment was my Soul drawn out in Love to serve the Lord and to keep his Commandments From whence my Faith is That whoever counteth it a Doctrine tending to that purpose they never truly knew the Want of a Saviour For how irrational a thing would it be if I was a Slave in Turkey or in some other barbarous Nation out of which Servile Work I could by no means nor art deliver my Self and in the midst of my Bondage a Nobleman of mine own Countrey of his own Free and Voluntary will ransom'd me home would it not engage my Soul to love the Man that redeemed me out of Bondage much more being delivered by Faith out of Bondage and Slavery from the Devil And how should we manifest our love to Christ but by keeping his Commandments Quest What do I apprehend as to the Third thing Answ If I had never known another Righteousness than that which I attained unto or could attain unto by that Light and Power which worked in me before Conversion I must have expected my Portion in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone to be tormented Day and Night for ever For in the greatest of my Purity and the highest Degree of Perfection there were