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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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their Coventicle house and there before many people said that Brother Kiffen and Patience anoynting her she suddenly recovered SS Vide supra O. TT Gangren first Part p. 27. That all singing of Psalmes as Davids or any other holy songs of Scripture is unlawfull and not to be joyned with that the singing which Christians should use is that of hymnes and spirituall songs framed by themselves composed by their own gifts and that upon speciall occasions as deliverances c. sung in the Congregation by one of the assembly all the rest being silent VV Gangren first Part p. 23. This Den preacheth much against tythes he hath put down all singing of Psalmes in his Church XX The compassionate Samaritane p. 31 33. And hereby is maintained the necessity and excellency of Learning and the Languages and so of Vniversities and a supposall that the Arts likewise are necessary to a Divine As Diana was so is learning the crafts-mens living and the peoples Goddesse the people may if they please dote upon that which hath been their destruction they ought to account better of them that having no by-ends or respects have studied the Scriptures for their own and others information and do impart the same to the people out of a desire of their good for nothing as the Anabaptists doe to their Congregations See also Bloudy Tenet p. 173. YY Vide Disswasive p. 48. Browns life and manners of all true Christians p. 8. Know ye not that they which have their full and sufficient authority and calling are not to care for a further authority Hath not every lawfull Pastor his full authority Ibid. p. 8. The Lord did not only shew them the Tabernacle but bade them make it but these men will not make it at all because they will tarry for the Magistrate Ibid. pag. 10. They could not force Religion as you would have the Magistrate to do and it was forbidden to the Apostles to preach to the unworthy or to force a planting or government in the Church the Lords kingdome is not by force neither durst Moses or any of the Kings of Judah force the people by Law or by power to receive the Church government but after they received it if then they fell away and sought not the Lord they might put them to death They do cry Discipline discipline that is for a civill forcing to imprison the people or otherwise by violence to handle and beat them if they would not obey them Ibid. p. 11. The Lords people is of the willing sort they shall come unto Sion and enquire the way unto Jerusalem not by force nor compulsion but with their faces thitherward And p. 12. Because the Church is in a Common-wealth it is of the Magistrates charge that is concerning the outward provision and outward justice they are to look but to compell Religion to plant Churches by power and to force a submission to Ecclesiasticall government by Laws and penalties belongeth not to them neither yet to the Church ZZ Disswasive p. 49. EEEEE FFFFF Also the modell of Church and civill power composed by M. Cotton in the bloudy Tenet p. 156. The Magistrate hath power to forbid all idolatrous and corrupt assemblies who offer to put themselves under their patronage and shall attempt to joyn themselves into a Church estate and if they shall not hearken to force them therefrom by the power of the sword Ib. 101. Tolerating many Religions in a State in severall Churches beside the provoking of God may in time not only corrupt leaven divide and so destroy the peace of the Churches but also dissolve the Continuity of the State especially ours whose wals are made of the stones of the Churches He hath also power to compell all men within his grant to hear the Word ZZ 2 Tombs Apology p. 13. Being acquainted with a Law made in New England and proceedings against those that denied baptizing of Infants I yeelded to the sending of my examen thither and therewith I sent this short Epistle Reverend Brethren understanding that there is some disquiet in your Churches about paedobaptism c. AAA Apologetick narration p. 19. To the Magistrates power we give as much and as we think more then the principles of the Presbyteriall government will suffer them to yeeld BBB Burrows Irenicon at length CCC Apologeticall narration p. 9. We judge that excommunication should be put in execution for no other kinde of sinnes then may evidently be presumed to be perpetrated against the parties known light as whether it be a sin in manners and conversation such as is committed against the light of nature or the common received practises of Christianity professed in all the Churches of Christ or if an opinions then such as are likewise contrary to the received principles of Christianity and the power of godlinesse professed by the party himself and universally acknowledged in all the rest of the Churches and no other sins to be the subject of that most dreadfull sentence DDD John Goodwins Theomachia p. 37. Concerning other civill means for the suppression and restraint of these spirituall evils errours heresies c. as imprisonment banishment interdictions finings c. both reason and experience concurre in this demonstration that such fetters as these put upon the feet of errours and heresies to secure and keep them under still have proved wings whereby they raise themselves the higher in the thoughts and mindes of men and gain an opportunity of farther propagation Ibid. To hold that the persons so elected the Members of the House of Commons chosen by men unworthy and strangers to the power of godliness have a power by vertue of such nomination or election to enact Laws and Statutes in matters of Religion and to order under mulcts and penalties how men shall worship and serve God as it is a means to awaken the eye of jealousie upon them and so is seven times more destructive unto the undermining not only of their power but of their honour peace and safety also then any thing that is found in the way so ill entreated so is it the setling upon the electors of such persons I mean upon the promiscuous multitude of the Land a greater power then ever Jesus Christ himself had at least then ever he exercised EEE Anabaptists Confession Edition second Article 48. in the margin Concerning the worship of God there is but one Lawgiver Jesus Christ who hath given Laws and rules sufficient in his word for his worship and for any to make more were to charge Christ for want of wisdome or faithfulnesse or both in not making Laws enough or not good enough for his house Surely it is our wisdome duty and priviledge to observe Christs Laws only FFF Ibid. It is our duty to do and we believe it is our expresse duty especially in matters of Religion to be fully perswaded in our mindes of the lawfulnesse of what we do for whatsoever is not of faith is sin and as we cannot do
to be killed with the rest of the prophane world DDD Ibid. p. 3. Hophman did lean upon the authority of Prophecies and revelations EEE He did believe and professe that Strasburg was chosen of God that as of old out of Jerusalem the Gospel was propagated unto all the parts of the world so it should be restored again from that Town by his Ministery and the labours of other new Apostles FFF Ibid. p. 5. He judged that no reformation was to be attempted but according to the example of the Apostles in the day of the Pentecost GGG Ibid. He did not approve Jo Mathies Anabaptisme he was neither an author nor approver of tumults but both by word and writ he did testifie his grief therefore and did forewarn that the end of Corah Dathan and Abiram would follow that way HHH Historia Davidis Georgii p. 14. The Doctrine of the Monasterians about Polygamy and the corporall reign of Christ was mightily impugned by the Hophmanists especially by John Mathy of Middleburg who had come out of England and thereafter for Hophmans tenets was burnt at London III Ibid. Menno the son of Simon had lately cast away the Priestly habit in the village Witmars near the Town of Bolswerp KKK The Mennonists did teach that no extraordinary calling of Apostolick authority was to be expected LLL They taught also that no other estate of Christs Kingdom upon earth was to be expected then such as this day did appear to wit a State subject to the Crosse MMM Ibid. p. 8. The Mennonists avowed that the Hophmanick expectation of an Apostolick Spirit was fanatick and the Monasterian hopes of restoring all things by violence was seditious and to be condemned NNN Vide infra cap. 2. OOO Historia Davidis p. 13. Some of the wiser of the Anabaptists being vexed with their inward divisions did labour much and at last obtained that the chief Doctors of all sides might meet at Buckhold a village in Westphalie for a friendly conference upon the chief questions PPP Vide supra HHH QQQ Historia Dav. Georgii p. 16. His tongue for a punishment of his boldnesse was bored through by the Hangman RRR Ibid. p. 14. So sharp was the dispute that the Monasterians were likely to have fallen upon the Hophmanists and killed them SSS David George a quiet man and not tumultuous carried himself as a mid man assaying all things to draw the parties to some agreement and he became the author and writer of the friendly transaction TTT Ibid. p. 10. The Battenburgicks and Monasterians condemne their opposites as Antichrists on the other side the Hophmamanists and Mennonists do condemne the former as furious and seditious robbers with whom they refused to eat VVV Ibid. p. 102. Martin Bucer gave not over to presse them with curtesie and arguments while he had brought them back to the union of the Church XXX Ibid. p. 178. In prayer he was earnest and ardent Ibid. p. 171. Divers were astonished with admiration at the shew of his humility chastity and holinesse YYY Ibid. p. 18. He would not be inferiour unto the Monasterians and Battenburgicks who sometimes for three whole dayes and sometimes for four whole dayes did fast from meat and drink ZZZ Ib. At last he did require that the Langrave would deliver the other Letters unto the Emperour Charles assuring that his Doctrine was not from himself but from God he confidently avowed both to the Langrave and to the rest of the Princes that God had revealed unto him and had fully set before his eyes yea put him in possession of life eternall Ibid. p. 97. The title of the writ which he sent to Charles the Emperour and the rest of the States was a humble and serious admonition written by the command of the omnipotent God diligently to be obeyed because it contained those things whereupon life eternall did depend AAAA Historia Dav. p. As Moses is not disgraced when he is said to be obscured and overcome by Jesus according to the flesh so there is no injury or contumely offered to Christ according to the flesh when he is said to be overcome or obscured by Christ according to the spirit The Doctrine of the Apostles was lame childish and ineffectuall for the full and solid understanding of the things of God BBBB Vide infra CCCC Historia Dav. p. 111. Some noble and wealthy families did put themselves and all their goods in the hand of this deceiver acknowledging and confessing him to be the lawfull heir and just possessor of them all DDDD Ibid. p. 78. None of all the followers of David were found who did not willingly at the first interrogation offer and professe themselves Anabaptists for all of them were prepared for Martyrdome as if they had been going unto a marriage feast Their shew of holinesse in their conversation together with their readinesse and chearfulnesse to suffer death did ravish many with admiration the men were beheaded the women were drowned to the number of 35. among whom there was none who did not pant with an earnest desire for death so far were they from acknowledging or craving pardon for any of their Errours EEEE Ibid. p. 171. He commanded both by word and writ that none of his followers should communicate their tenets to others because the time was evill in the which it behoved a wise man to keep silence and Jacob was to put on the garments of Esau that he might be safe from the danger of the wicked Bulinger l. 2. p. 43. they taught that it was free to make confession of faith or not according to the times that when great dangers did presse it was lawfull for the faithfull to dissemble and be silent for it was enough before God if a man in his heart did stick to the truth albeit outwardly before men he did deny it for men ought not for Religions cause to cast themselves open to death and torments for no profit does come to God by our death therefore for peace and quietnesse sake every one in the matter of Religion may conform himself to them among whom he lives FFFF Apocalypsis Haeresiarcharum in Davide Georgio comming into Basil he did buy a house in the City and another in the Country he obliged many by gifts he was so much in alms-deeds and actions of religion as saved him from the least suspicion his wealth was great and his houshold-stuffe rich GGGG Gangrena Clopenburgy p. 425. The crafty man by giving his oath to the Magistrate and haunting Church meetings and doing good offices to his neighbours keeping a good house his whole family going in a good fashion he purchased the favour not only of the people but of those that were in place and did live in quietnesse and splendour HHHH Ibid. Three years after his death the blasphemous errours of the man being revealed by an act of the Senate his papers and books were burnt by the hand of the Hangman also his Coffin and bones were burnt to ashes