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A68845 The vvorlde possessed with deuils conteinyng three dialogues. 1. Of the Deuill let loose. 2. Of blacke deuils. 3. Of white deuils. And of the commyng of Iesus Christe to iudgement, a verie necessarie and comfortable discourse for these miserable and daungerous daies.; Monde à l'empire et le monde démoniacle fait par dialogues. Part 2. English. Selections Viret, Pierre, 1511-1571.; Chauncie, William. 1583 (1583) STC 24786; ESTC S119207 112,768 274

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the hearte of this people stoppe their eares and close vp their eyes to the ende they may not see with their eyes nor heare with their eares nor yet vnderstande with their heartes that they may not bee conuerted and so bee healed Toby Surely surely this is a fearefull prophesie Theo. By this we may euidently see that euen as God by his iust iudgement abandoneth the Demoniackes vnto the Diuell ouer whom he gaue them power euē so he abandoneth him and dischargeth his handes of all such as contemne his giftes grates to the end the diuell might close vp theyr eyes and eares and so harden their heartes as he did Pharaos that they might perish accursedly as they deserued and wished For seeing they toke pleasure to blind themselues because they would not see the light of the worde of God and stopped their eares that they might not heare his voice and hardened their heartes that they might not beleeue the gospel they well deserued that God should forsake them Toby Verily these men might well bee placed amongest the blinde deafe and dumbe Demoniackes saue that I thinke they are not dumbe to blaspheme the name of God Theo. If euer there were blinde deafe and dumb Demoniacks in the world these are they And the greatest number of those are they who so greatly glory of the knowledge of the gospel to be the people of God And therefore this prophesie of Isayah is alleadged and rehearsed sixe times at the least in the newe testament as well by the foure Euangelists as also by Saint Paule For euen as the preaching of Isaiah did blind and harden the heartes of those hypocrites and rebels that were amongest the Iewes not through the Prophetes faulte but through their owne euen so was the preaching of Iesus Christe and of his Apostles amongest them who in their dayes were like vnto these against whom Isaiah prophesied And we see that this prophesie is dayly accomplished not onely in Christian Papistes but also in suche as greatly boast of the reformation of the Gospel and more in them then in any other besides because they most villanously abuse the graces which God hath bestowed vpon them And therefore because their vnthankefulnesse is merueilous great it is good reason their punishment should bee the greater Wherefore it is not without iuste cause that this prophesie is so often repeated in the newe Testament more then any other that is in all the Bookes of the Prophetes Tob. I beseech the Lord keepe vs by his grace y t we fal not into any such inconueniences to the end we become not such desperate Demoniakes But what saiest thou now of Lunatike Diuels For thou hast not as yet set downe thine opinion of thē The. Although Saint Matthew calleth this Demoniacke only Lunatike yet Saint Mark sayth that he was deafe also and Saint Luke that he was dumbe and they all agree together that he was euen so from his infancie Tob. This is very strange that the Diuel should haue such power ouer young children The. This is an example admonitatorie to vs of many things if we can wel consider of them Tob. I pray thee tell me what things they are Theo. First of all wee are hereby to iudge of the state condition of our nature and how corrupt and accursed it is by reason of sinne seeing that euen from our infancie the Diuel hath such power ouer vs. For if young childrē were without ●in the Diuel should haue no power ouer them no more then death which the diuel hath begot through sinne And therefore Saint Paule proueth that because children dye that they are subiect to originall sinne and that they haue alreadie deserued punishmente for the same in this their infancie And so some of the auncient doctors of the Churche take this example of the Lunatike infant to proue the same against all suche as denie originall sinne affirming that young children are innocent and without sinne Tob. Surely the reason of these ancient doctors is built vpon a sound foundation Theo. If children then of this age deserue now such iudgement at the handes of God if God will iudge them in rigour wee may soone haue an estimate what vengeance we dayly deserue at the hands of God considering that wee haue not this natural corruption onely in vs which we call Originall sinne and is in young children but that whiche is more wee continually carry about with vs the cursed and damnable fruites by which we incessantly prouoke the heauie wrath and displeasure of God against vs. Tob. This example ought to teach vs to humble our selues vnto the Lorde our God and incessantly pray vnto him That hee woulde not leade vs into temptation but deliuer vs from euill And therefore we ought to bee very watchfull and stande vpon our guard to the end he ouertake vs not vpon the sodaine For if this be so cruel an enemie vnto young children he sure hee will vse no great curtesie vnto vs. And if GOD giueth him suche libertie to hurt young children out of doubte hee wyll neuer spare vs seeing that we haue a great deale more deserued his furie and indignation then young children Theo. Euerye man may vnderstande this if hee will But yet consider somwhat more in another point of the malice of Satan It appeareth by the wordes of Saint Luke speaking of this miserable Lunatike that the Diuel tormented him not continually but that hee gaue him some respyte although but a little For hee setteth it downe in these plaine termes that this Diuell would hardly depart from this wretched childe Whereupon it must followe that hee departed sometimes from him Tob. Is this the cause why the Euāgelists called him Lunatike Theo. I doe not thinke that hee was called Lunatike because he had the falling sicknesse which commeth by fittes as the Moone increaseth and decreaseth For because that this disease commeth of the infirmitie of the brayne it therfore followeth the course of the moone And again because the brayne is very colde and moyst it agreeeth mightily with the nature of y e Moone which God hath created to be of such a nature as that it might preserue colde and moyst things as hee hath created the Sun to bee of a hoate and drye nature that it might preserue the rest of the same condition to the ende that all the creatures of God might be kept in order which God in his Almightie prouidence hath disposed Tob. Is this the cause why wee also commonly call this disease the hie euil and that we terme them which are subiect there to to fall into the hie euill Theo. That may bee one cause thereof For it cannot take a man hier then by the head or brain when it taketh him in the head and braine as that he falleth to the grounde as a Butcher knocketh an oxe in the head It is
whiche were not tormented with one wicked spirit onely but with many some likewise wer possessed and tormented with the Deuil from their childhoode and youth some other in their age some also there were whiche were not onely in greate furie and rage by reason of the Deuills whiche possessed them but also were both blinde deaffe and dūbe And touching those that were possessed thei were not all of one qualitie as we shall perceiue more at large in this place Tobie I doe not so muche demaunde of thee the exāple of those that were tormented with many euill Spirites because we haue already talked thereof in talkyng of hym that was possessed with a Legion of Deuilles Theo. Sainct Matthewe maketh not onely mention of one that was so tormented with a nomber of Deuilles but saieth that therewere twoo Although Saincte Marke and Sainct Luke make mention but of one onely for that the storie of hym was sufficient for theim to manifest that thyng that sainct Matthew minded to set forthe for the power and grace of Iesus Christ in the storie of the twoo possessed of whom he writeth To these twoo we maie adde that whiche saincte Luke writeth of Marie Sagdaline saiyng That our Sauiour Christ cast out seuen Deuills from her wherewith she was possessed Tobie What hast thou to saie of these kind of possessed namely of Mary Magdaline for there are many that vnderstand that those seuen Deuilles which our Sauiour cast out were the seuen deadly sinnes whiche had ouercome her Hast not thou heard the like Eustace Eust. Yea I haue heard our Preachers preache so whiche saie that she was a common Harlot before she was conuerted to Christ but when he cōuertrd her he droue out seuen Deuilles out of her that is to saie the seuen deadly sinnes whereunto she was subiect like a poore miserable sinner giuen ouer to all filthinesse I thinke Theophrastus will not saie the contrarie Theo. If I should shew how many kind of waies your Preachers are deceiued in this thyng and you with them I should spend to muche tyme and goe to farre frō the cheefe matter whereof we now talke wherefore I will but glaunce ouer the pointes whiche serue least to our matter Eust Wherein is it that our Preachers are deceiued and we with them Theo. First in that thei take Marie Magdaline and Marie the sister of Lazarus and Martha the sinner of whom S. Luke speaketh al for one womā where in deede thei are three seuerall women as it is easie to bee proued by the Histories of the Gospell if I had tyme to talke of it but that I will leaue till more leasure Eust What hast thou to saie more Theo. That your Doctors herein doe shew their ignoraunce in forgiuyng suche nomber of mortall sinnes as if there were but seuen Eust Why thinkest thou that there are moe Theo. Yea I saie that all sinnes are mortal of them selues for that thei deserue death euen eternall death and so remaine continually mortall to the reprobates in as muche as thei neither aske nor obtaine pardon through Iesus Christ whiche maketh them veniall to the elect of God thorow stedfast faith in him But because this is not to our matter I will wade no further in it Eust Thinkest thou then that those seuen Deuilles that were in her of their very nature and substaunce Theo. No man can denie it except he will manifestly gainesaie S. Luke and ouerthrow his meaning for he speaketh not in this place of the forgiuenesse of sinnes whiche Synners obtaine through Iesus Christe but he manifestly speaketh of the merueilous woorkes of Christe through which he not onely deliuered the possessed of the wicked Spirites whiche tormented them but also he healed many of diuers diseases infirmities sickennesses Wherefore there is no cause why thei should here take those Deuilles for the seuen deadly sinnes For if we will vnderstande hereby that our Sauiour Christ driueth Deuils out of those who he deliuereth out of their handes and withdraweth from sinne wee maie rightly saie that he woorketh many suche miracles daiely But thei are miracles in the soule whereof S. Luke speaketh no whitt in the place here alleadged but of suche miracles as were manifestly doen in the bodie it self For although the Deuill dwell in those that are subiect vnto hym through sinne neuerthelesse we do not properly call them possessed with Deuilles except thei torment their bodie or so trouble their mynde as it tourne into a furie or rage And if wee should take the Deuilles for mortall sinnes in all the possed that the Euangelistes make mention of wee could not then saie that our Sauiour Christe did cast out Deuilles of very nature and substaunce of the possessed whō he healed but only that he deliuered them frō their sinnes For there is no more reason to driue vs to take those deuils whiche possessed Marie Magdaline for sinnes then of any other so possessed Eust I perceiue well enough that I spende my tyme in waste to dispute with you For your new Diuinitie condemneth all the doctrine of our Doctors and Preachers and ye like nothyng but onely your newe opinions Theo. Our opinions are not newe neither do we condemne the doctrine of your Doctors and Preachers nor of any other but where thei are contrarie to the pure worde of God And if wee condemne any doctrine by this woorde it is not wee that condemne it but God hymself whose sentence we doe but pronounce as heretofore his Prophetes Apostles and Euangelists haue doen. Eust Seing you expoūd the holy scriptures as it pleaseth you I will let Tobie and you goe forwarde with your matter Tobie I denie not for my part but that the possessed which y e Euangelists speake of were verely possessed with Deuilles otherwise then sinners wicked and reprobate are commonly possessed with synne through which the Deuil dwelleth in thē But on the other side maie we not rightly holde the wicked and reprobate for possessed which giue them selues ouer to the deuill and doe the workes of the same For though thei shew fairer countenaunce thē those whom we properly cal possessed and shew them selues not so furious neuerthelesse thei many tymes execute strōger and horribler thynges then thei do whiche are euen holden for very possessed Theo. I doe not onely agree to that that thou hast spoken but I saie further that this sorte of possessed are muche more dangerous thē the other if a man could know them For the lesse thei are knowne the more hurt thei doe not only to other men but to their owne selues And because men can not well perceiue how the Deuil hurteth their soules by meanes of sinne God hath set forth this Image before their eyes in the persones of the possessed whiche are knowne to be suche to the ende that by thē thei might learne to know by the tyranny whiche the Deuill executeth on