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A62249 The dew of Hermon which fell upon the hill of Sion, or, An answer to a book entituled, Sions groans for her distressed, &c. offered to the King's Majesty, Parliament, and people wherein is pretended to be proved by Scripture, reason, and authority of fifteen ancients, that equal protection under different perswasions, is the undoubted right of Christian liberty : but hereby confuted, wherein the power and proceedings of the Kings Majesty and the church are vindicated. H. S. (Henry Savage), 1604?-1672. 1663 (1663) Wing S760; ESTC R34021 70,693 96

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himself and his Commonwealth with Religion and all Suppose then that he had nineteen parts on his side and only the twentieth part remained Idolaters were he to destroy that twentieth part no surely we neither think so nor ever said so The reason is because they were never yet converted they have not as yet Cognitionem Juris the ignorance whereof excuseth them and who knows but that they may be in due time converted The Question is Whether in case of revolt after conversion to Idolatry or the like and in case they remain obstinate going on to blaspheme the Church-censures may not reach them and the civil Sword over take them and cut them off that the infection spread no farther We answer that they may and this is Law in God Justin l. 2. Tit. 11. de Paginis sacrific●is Templis Qui post sanctum baptisma in errore pagan●r manent ultimo supplicio plectunt Let those that ask baptisme remain in the errour of the Pagans be put to death but for those that are not yet baptized let them without delay take care that their children be baptized but let the elder first be taught the Scriptures according to the Canons and hereunto there is no such penalty annexed mean while all men are forbidden to assay any thing of Pagan superstition under pain of corporal torment and condemnation to the stanneries or perpetual banishment Lege Qui. ub supra There is a difference then betwixt a Heathen and one that is As a Heathen A Heathen ought not to be excommunicated for it is impossible nor punished with death for his Idolatry though some one that is As a Heathen that is one that hath been a Christian and becomes Heathen again may and hereby his conversion is not hindred for the Apostle to the Hebrews sayes That its impossible for such to be renewed by repentance Heb. 6. 6. In the next place they deny that the Kings Majesty hath the same power in causes Ecclesiastical that the Godly Kings had amongst the Jews for say they albeit the Kings of the Jews had power to punish-Idolaters and Blasphemers and some other transgressors of the then Law of God yet who tells them that the Magistrates under the Gospel-dispensation have such power hath the Lord Jesus said any such thing or if he has where is it writen nay where is it written from the beginning of Genesis to the end of the Revelation that Magistrates under the Gospell should have the same power in religious causes as those under the Law If the Judicial Law be a Rule for Magistrates under the Gospel to walk by then why must it be mangled in pieces by some sort of sinners with death and not cursers of parents man-stealers adulterers Sabbath-breakers which were so punishable by the Judicial Law I Answer That that place of the Prophet Esai 43. 23. is between the beginninh of Genesis and the end of the Revelation wherein it is said that Kings shall be h. e. under the Gospel Thy that is the Churches nursing fathers and Queens thy nursing mothers The Original is giving suck or nourishers Now she that gives milk and nourishment to a child will not suffer the least mote to be in it that may do the child hurt much lesse such things as may poyson it So it is with a Christian Magistrate It is not enough to see that the milk of the word be duly distributed to the people but also that blasphemers and idolaters to the poyson of Religion be rooted out To what purpose is it for him to defend her from rapine and violence from abroad as it is v. 26. if he leaves perdition and ruine at home And now whereas they say Why does the Magistrate punish Idolatry and Blasphemy with death and not cursing of father or mother man-stealing adultery Sabbath-breaking Answ Because Idolatry and Blasphemy are so punishable by the Law of Nature as well as by the Judicial Law of Moses Job 2. 9. Sayes Job's Wife to him Doest thou yet retain thine integrity curse God and die Whereby it seems that present death was the sure reward of blaspheming God And Job 31. 26. If sayes he I beheld the Sun when it shined or the Moon walking in brightnesse and my heart hath been secretly enticed or my mouth hath kissed my hand this also were an iniquity to be punished by the Judge for I should have denied the God that is above From whence it is evident that heathenish Idolatry is punishable by the Magistrate but how surely not with lesse then what is due to blasphemy which see here made a consequent of Idolatry The other sins mentioned in their objection are made capital by the Judicial Law alone which indeed is in most things practicable under the Gospel too if it seems necessary or expedient to the Magistrate and not otherwise only as for Sabbath breaking there can be none where there is no Sabbath binding nor has been since the abrogation of the Law Wherefore this their argument taken from things of different Natures thus jumbled together is as very a fallacy of many Interrogations as this is viz. Nonne Socrates Plato Aristoteles Petrus Bucephalus Leviathan sunt animalia rationalia For as some of these are animalia rationalia some not so some of those appertain to the Judicial Law some not some may be the subject of a positive Law under the Gospel if it seems good to the Law-giver some as namely Sabbath-breaking cannot because the Jewish day and the Jewish observation of it is abrogated Hereunto they add That the Kings of the Jews had advantages which we want to direct them in judgement as the standing Oracle the Vrim and Thummim extraordinary Prophets Therefore Ahab and others leaving these ran into various errours persecuted orthodox Prophets as Jeremy Michaia and Elijah Answ That our Adversaries even now confessed that the punishment of Idolaters Blasphemers and some other transgressors was written in plain precepts of the Mosaical Law for in answer to an Objection page 21. they have these words viz. But in answer we deny not but the Kings of the Jews had power to punish Idolaters and Blasphemers and some other transgressors of the then Law of God which power was given them of God and written in plain precepts in the Mosaical Law If they had power to punish these things then what these things were was notoriously known otherwise the punishment had been unjustly inflicted Why then do they and that almost in the same breath alledge the Urim and Thummim Oracle and Prophets to direct Judges in matter of Law and Jus universale which every man is bound to take notice of And for matter of fact Urim Thummim Oracle and Prophets were extraordinary wayes of discovery of this or of any thing else never to be made use of but when the thing could not otherwise be known and that in a matter of great moment too The ordinary way of discovering matter of fact was by witnesses or
or mens being persecuted by other Christian or Christians for matter of opinion If generally understood I oppose thereunto the 10 Persecutions which happened in the first 300. years The 1. was under Nero anno 67. whose decree was that to confesse a mans self to be a Christian should be capital The 2. under Domitian ann 90. The 3. under Trajan ann 100. whereof Plini to Trajan l. 10. Epist 111. The 4. under Adrian and Antoninus Piuy ann 126. The 5 under Antoninus Philosophus and Antoninus Verus ann 168. The 6 under Severus ann 203. The 7. under Maximinus ann 236. The 8. under Decius an 251. The 9. under Valerianus ann 258. The tenth under Diocletian ann 303. If this would be understood restrictively of any man or mens being persecuted by other Christians I answer 1. That I hope they will recall their word persecuting Horrid opinions may be prosecuted and punished not persecuted I mean in the Scripture acception of the Word though in the Law it be so accounted God l. 1. t. 5. l g. Manichaeos seu Manichaeas vel Donatista meritissima severitate persequimur 2. If horrid opinions were only commenced they were but begun but sin when it is perfected and not before bringeth forth death by the Laws of God and if horrid sin by man too 3. For prosecuting or as they call it persecuting for opinions either commenced or perfected what power had they to do it withall when all the Emperours were Heathen there was no eminent Magistrate to take cognizance of differences among Christians themselves otherwise then to foment them that thereby they might become the ruine one of another 2. Of the Authors alledged the Historians whom only I look upon for matter of fact say nothing in the business and therefore prove nothing at all As for instance Sulpitius Severus says nothing of one Christians persecuting another Ergo one Christian did not persecute another this is a non sequitur it being an argument from humane authority and therefore holds not negatively especially from the authority of one that has written but an Epitome a very manual of history which cannot be comprehensive of all things neither does he mention any thing but the ten persecutions and what relates to them in all that three hundred years which he does too in less then one hundred and fifty lines in Octavo of a St. Augustine print which could not have been much had it been so many lines in a Minion or Nonparil And as Sulpitius Severus did not so Socrates Scholasticus could not speak any thing of this matter in as much as his history begins with Constantine which was after the expiration of the said three hundred years Thirdly did any of those Authours speak against persecution for matter of opinion then this is an argument that there was such a persecution so our adversaries are pleased to call it or else they fought with a shadow Their dislike hereof consisted in two things 1. That any should be put to death meerly for his opinion and this was St. Austin's dislike who was first of opinion that it was not honest to use any violence to misperswaded persons but afterwards he retracted it Retract l. 2. c. 5. quoted by the Dr. himself lib. of proph sect 14. We agree with St. Austin as we have signified all along that no man is to be put to death for simple heresy h. e. qua heresy unless it has joyned with it Blasphemy Heathenish Idolatry Sedition or the like The Doctour himself allows punishing Romish priests with death not as for Religion but as enemies to the state Serm. at St. Maries on Gunpow Treason neither does the said Dr. disallow of Laws for punishing of Hereticks in general with corporal punishment only he would have the execution of those Laws upon emergencies committed to the discretion of the Governours of the Church ib. sect 17. The second thing those forementioned Authours or any of them disliked was that any man should be compelled to a Religion not that he should be corrected for his wandrings from it and so much is learned from Tertullian ad Scap. Nec religionis est cogere religionem quae sponte suscipi debet non vi and this has been our tenet all along But say they This restraining of liberty imposing upon mens consciences and lording over their faith came in with the train and retinue of Antichrist that is they came as other abuses and corruptions of the Church did by reason of the iniquity of the times and the cooling of the first heats of Christianity and the increase of interest and the abatement of Christian simplicity Ans That if this restraining and imposing and lording be meant of the Popes infallibility and resolving every thing into that Chimera then I agree that it came in with the train and retinue of Antichrist And it s an argument the men of this generation are the train and retinue of Antichrist whose opiniatreté or self-conceitedness is such that every one thinks himself a Pope in that regard Therefore the granting of liberty to them is to acknowledge their infallibility and consequently were there a thousand Religions amongst them every one must be acknowledged to be the true and then what would become of ONE LORD ONE FAITH ONE BAPTISME Ephes 4. 5. but if this restraining be meant of any other restraint by the Civil Magistrate Liberty was restrained before Phocas his times who was called the Midwife of Antichrist as may be seen in Cod. Justiniani l. 1. t. 5. and t. 9. which Code was composed Anno 529. and 530. above seventy years before Phocas not of Laws then newly enacted but of such as had been made by his Predecessors long before amongst which those that touch the present business were those of Arcadius Honorius Valentinianus Theodosius c. all promoters of the orthodox faith and therefore ushered not in the train and retinue of Antichrist which never did so lordly and imperiously appear as in Pope Hildebrand called Gregory the seventh who sate at Rome between four hundred and five hundred years after Phocas and above five hundred and forty years after the last composure of the Code He first of all the Popes excommunicated the Emperour and arrogated to himself the power of instituting an Emperour I agree likewise that the King of France his giving permission to the Huguenots has proved prosperous to that Nation though most prosperous to the Huguenots themselves who have found more happiness in peace and obedience then ever they did in rebellion and holding out against the power and authority of their King But had he given the same liberty to all Religions it must have been the confusion of it and as displeasant to the Huguenots as the denyal of liberty to themselves had been before In every assembly of the Huguenots the King has a Commissary to see that nothing be decreed amongst them against the interest of the Crown But how can such a thing be among