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A54202 Reason against railing, and truth against fiction being an answer to those two late pamphlets intituled A dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker, and the Continuation of the dialogue &c. by one Thomas Hicks, an Anabaptist teacher : by W. Penn. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1673 (1673) Wing P1351; ESTC R25209 131,073 243

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or_o substance_n or_o if_o by_o personal_n be_v he_o mean_v a_o body_n distinct_a from_o we_o i_o believe_v he_o have_v a_o spiritual_a glorious_a body_n distinct_a from_o all_o these_o earthly_a sublunary_a body_n but_o for_o t.h._n he_o have_v as_o little_a knowledge_n of_o christ_n personal_a be_v as_o he_o call_v it_o in_o heaven_n as_o he_o have_v scripture_n for_o this_o phrase_n or_o faith_n in_o his_o light_n within_o if_o by_o personal_n be_v he_o mean_v the_o manhood_n of_o christ_n our_o confess_v the_o man_n christ_n as_o mediator_n be_v sufficient_o evince_v and_o the_o socinian_n clear_v i_o in_o his_o controversy_n end_v pag._n 50._o where_o he_o say_v geo._n whitehead_n use_v the_o word_n manhood_n viz._n he_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o manhood_n in_o time_n be_v the_o heaven_n that_o must_v retain_v he_o only_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n p_o 43._o it_o be_v not_o the_o heaven_n must_v retain_v he_o but_o who_o the_o heaven_n must_v receive_v etc._n etc._n act_v 3.21_o and_o this_o be_v above_o and_o large_a than_o the_o heart_n of_o men._n where_o prove_v he_o by_o scripture_n that_o christ_n second_o come_v without_o sin_n to_o salvation_n be_v a_o personal_a come_v while_o he_o answer_v not_o this_o he_o say_v nothing_o to_o purpose_n about_o it_o p._n 43_o 44._o and_o answer_v not_o what_o i_o have_v write_v christ_n ascend_v p._n 20_o 21_o 22_o 23_o 24._o but_o be_v it_o a_o contradiction_n in_o i_o to_o confess_v that_o christ_n arise_v with_o the_o same_o body_n that_o be_v crucify_a and_o put_v to_o death_n and_o that_o he_o ascend_v into_o glory_n and_o yet_o either_o to_o say_v that_o i_o can_v believe_v his_o body_n to_o be_v a_o carnal_a body_n in_o heaven_n and_o these_o word_n be_v not_o scripture-language_n viz._n to_o say_v that_o christ_n be_v a_o body_n of_o flesh_n blood_n and_o bones_o a_o personal_a be_v at_o god_n right_a hand_n remote_a and_o not_o in_o man_n or_o that_o his_o second_o come_v without_o sin_n unto_o salvation_n be_v see_v spiritual_o not_o carnal_o and_o that_o they_o be_v like_a to_o be_v disappoint_v of_o their_o hope_n and_o expectation_n who_o be_v expect_v that_o christ_n second_o come_v or_o appearance_n to_o salvation_n will_v be_v such_o a_o personal_a come_v and_o his_o reign_n a_o personal_a reign_n the_o believer_n in_o the_o primitive_a christian_n day_n who_o look_v for_o he_o 9.28_o be_v not_o thus_o disappoint_v of_o their_o hope_n and_o expectation_n but_o to_o say_v i_o can_v believe_v that_o christ_n ascend_v 〈◊〉_d the_o same_o body_n which_o rise_v from_o the_o dead_a etc._n etc._n p._n 44_o 〈◊〉_d one_o of_o my_o word_n though_o he_o cite_v they_o for_o i_o o_o gross_a forgery_n 〈◊〉_d then_o to_o infer_v upon_o be_v that_o i_o do_v but_o dissemble_v in_o the_o first_o viz._n in_o say_v that_o christ_n arise_v with_o the_o same_o body_n that_o be_v crucify_v and_o put_v to_o death_n and_o that_o he_o ascend_v into_o glory_n god_n who_o know_v my_o sincerity_n will_v judge_v this_o forger_n of_o falsehood_n and_o slander_n against_o i_o &_o my_o conscience_n bear_v i_o record_v in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n i_o speak_v my_o belief_n sincere_o without_o dissimulation_n touch_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n he_o answer_v not_o the_o objection_n he_o lay_v down_o in_o my_o name_n viz._n where_o do_v the_o scripture_n say_v that_o christ_n glorify_a body_n in_o heaven_n be_v of_o a_o humane_a nature_n p._n 45._o whereas_o t.h._n query_n do_v not_o the_o scripture_n say_v that_o the_o same_o jesus_n that_o go_v away_o shall_v in_o like_a manner_n come_v again_o act_v 1.10_o 11._o and_o then_o frame_v the_o answer_n for_o we_o thus_o viz._n quak._n i_o deny_v he_o shall_v come_v visible_o and_o though_o it_o be_v say_v in_o like_a manner_n yet_o every_o like_a be_v not_o the_o same_o and_o to_o this_o he_o subscribe_v whitehead_n pag._n 22._o of_o christ_n ascend_v and_o then_o for_o answer_n say_v be_v not_o this_o a_o plain_a denial_n of_o the_o second_o personal_n come_v of_o christ_n contin_n p_o 43._o to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v in_o his_o subscribe_v my_o name_n to_o these_o as_o my_o word_n viz._n that_o i_o deny_v he_o shall_v come_v visible_o he_o have_v abuse_v i_o and_o my_o name_n with_o a_o forgery_n of_o his_o own_o they_o be_v not_o my_o word_n but_o i_o quote_v rev._n 1.7_o 8_o 13_o 14_o 16._o about_o christ_n appearance_n i_o say_v in_o none_o of_o which_o be_v jesus_n christ_n call_v a_o body_n of_o flesh_n blood_n and_o bone_n visible_o to_o come_v again_o but_o that_o he_o be_v alpha_n and_o omega_n the_o first_o and_o the_o last_o vers_fw-la 11._o he_o prove_v not_o by_o scripture_n that_o christ_n second_o come_v to_o salvation_n be_v such_o a_o personal_a come_v as_o he_o imagine_v but_o in_o like_a manner_n he_o shall_v come_v again_o it_o be_v true_a i_o say_v every_o like_a manner_n be_v not_o the_o very_a same_o nor_o all_o cloud_n the_o same_o christ_n ascend_v p._n 22_o 23._o and_o therein_o i_o will_v be_v understand_v that_o though_o i_o own_o christ_n come_v again_o the_o second_o time_n to_o salvation_n as_o certain_a and_o manifest_a as_o he_o be_v see_v to_o ascend_v when_o the_o cloud_n receive_v he_o out_o of_o their_o sight_n who_o stand_v gaze_v up_o into_o heaven_n yet_o he_o after_o that_o come_v again_o and_o signal_o appear_v various_o to_o divers_a and_o in_o a_o more_o glorious_a manner_n than_o he_o be_v see_v to_o ascend_v for_o he_o ascend_v into_o glory_n which_o his_o come_v again_o do_v not_o divest_v he_o of_o and_o he_o shall_v be_v universal_o see_v to_o some_o man_n terror_n and_o sorrow_n and_o to_o other_o great_a comfort_n and_o joy_n to_o paul_n he_o appear_v in_o a_o heavenly_a vision_n or_o light_n from_o heaven_n above_o the_o brightness_n of_o the_o sun_n in_o so_o much_o that_o he_o fall_v down_o to_o the_o earth_n and_o be_v without_o sight_n for_o three_o day_n so_o that_o he_o can_v not_o stand_v gaze_v at_o his_o come_v as_o the_o man_n of_o gallilee_n do_v at_o his_o ascend_n and_o when_o john_n be_v in_o the_o spirit_n he_o appear_v to_o he_o so_o that_o his_o eye_n be_v as_o a_o flame_n of_o fire_n his_o countenance_n as_o the_o sun_n shine_v in_o his_o strength_n insomuch_o that_o he_o say_v when_o i_o see_v he_o i_o fall_v at_o his_o foot_n as_o dead_a rev._n 1.13_o 14_o 15_o 16_o 17._o so_o that_o john_n can_v not_o stand_v gaze_v at_o this_o appearance_n which_o be_v like_a unto_o the_o angel_n appearance_n unto_o daniel_n in_o his_o great_a vision_n insomuch_o that_o he_o say_v there_o remain_v no_o strength_n in_o i_o see_v dan._n 10_o 5_o 6_o 7_o 8._o compare_v with_o rev._n 1.13_o 14_o 15_o 16_o 17._o and_o i_o must_v own_o christ_n come_v universal_o in_o his_o kingdom_n and_o the_o glory_n of_o his_o father_n to_o be_v after_o a_o more_o transcendent_a manner_n and_o high_a glory_n than_o man_n shall_v be_v able_a to_o stand_v gaze_v at_o as_o they_o do_v at_o his_o ascension_n and_o must_v conclude_v that_o it_o be_v a_o design_n of_o satan_n to_o keep_v some_o man_n in_o carnal_a imagination_n and_o dark_a thought_n of_o a_o humane_a personal_n christ_n consist_v either_o of_o flesh_n blood_n and_o bone_n like_o they_o or_o of_o flesh_n and_o bone_n without_o blood_n and_o so_o of_o god_n right_a hand_n as_o limit_v to_o that_o remoteness_n that_o they_o neglect_v to_o wait_v for_o christ_n inward_a and_o spiritual_a appearance_n and_o the_o knowledge_n of_o god_n right_a hand_n near_o they_o to_o save_v a●d_v preserve_v they_o from_o sin_n and_o death_n in_o this_o the_o enemy_n have_v deceive_v they_o and_o the_o devil_n blind_v they_o from_o the_o spiritual_a and_o save_v knowledge_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o come_n in_o his_o kingdom_n but_o why_o must_v i_o be_v count_v guilty_a of_o vile_a hypocrisy_n be_v it_o for_o say_v every_o man_n have_v not_o the_o son_n that_o be_v reveal_o and_o united_o in_o possession_n which_o be_v my_o very_a intent_n and_o yet_o a_o light_n of_o the_o son_n appear_v in_o every_o man_n in_o some_o degree_n or_o for_o deny_v that_o this_o light_n be_v a_o mere_a creature_n and_o assert_v that_o in_o he_o be_v life_n and_o the_o life_n be_v the_o light_n of_o man_n and_o this_o life_n and_o light_n be_v divine_a and_o increated_a 49._o p._n 46_o 47._o i_o be_o still_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n and_o though_o the_o man_n repeat_v some_o of_o my_o word_n he_o have_v bring_v i_o no_o argument_n to_o convince_v i_o that_o this_o life_n which_o be_v the_o light_n of_o man_n be_v but_o a_o mere_a creature_n but_o if_o it_o be_v divine_a and_o increated_a he_o take_v it_o for_o grant_v it_o must_v