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B05933 The line of true judgment: laid to an imperfect piece published by Thomas Collier, which he calls An answer to an epistle written to the churches of the Anabaptists, &c. : A reply herein is published in order to the exaltation of the spiritual man, with his ordinances and administrations, above the man of sin, with the weak and unprofitable ordices [sic] that doth not make the comers thereunto perfect. / By Thomas Salthouse. Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1658 (1658) Wing S474; ESTC R183214 22,424 33

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through the faith of the operation of God who hath raised him from the dead and u Rom. 6. Therefore we are buried with him by Baptisme into Death that like as Christ was raised from the Dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walke in newness of life and as hee is so are we in this present world 1 Joh. 4. and the Church of the Hebrews was come w Heb. 12.23 to the Spirits of Just men made perfect and they who testified these things was not hypocrits as in this mans account and now I leave it to the spirituall mans judgment whether ever God had a Church in this world free from sin or any that durst confess it yea or nay and farther hee affirmes pag. 7. that they that calls themselves the Church of Christ and say they are without sin in this mortall Estate are none of the Church of Christ for he had never yet any such Church To this I say his judgment is false and denyed and declared against by the children of light and witnessed against by the Scripture of truth for the Life of Christ hath been and is made manifest in mortall flesh and x 2 Cor. 4.7 we have this treasure in harth en vessels and for this purpose was the son of God made manifest to take away sin y 1 Joh. 4.3 and every Spirit that Confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God and this is that Spirit of Anti-Christ that now is in the world but where Jesus Christ is made manifest in the flesh hee is made manifest to Destroy the works of the Devill to wit sin and to condemn sin in the flesh that the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled In us who walks not after the flesh but after the Spirit being Created again z Eph. 2.10 in Christ Jesus unto good works a Coll. 1.4 in whom we have Redemption through his blood who hath purged away our sins by the washing of Regeneration glory to his name for ever without boasting we can speak it to the praise of his grace who hath wrought all our works for us and In us that b 1 Joh. 5.19 wee are of God though the whole world lieth in wickedness and that Christ have had and yet hath a Church without sin in this mortall Estate for hee that sinneth hath not seene God neither known him and we deny all such to be the Church of God and of Christ as lives in sin and pleads for sin whilst in this mortall Estate who makes a profession of the Scriptures and comes not to the Life and power declared of by them For the Scripture we own and the Covenant which makes the comers thereunto perfect and the bringing in of a better hope we witnesse and the Law which makes free c Rom. 8.2 from the Law of sin and death and the unchangable ordinances and Administrations to which we are subject doth not perish with the using and the Baptisme by which wee are made members of the Church of Christ doth not Decrease but increase and save from sin and all such as are called Churches and yet remains in sin in the unconverted and Imperfect Estate offends in many things and are seduced and deceived being out of the truth they are enimies to the Cross of Christ in the strife and envy against truth and these are not the Church of Christ neither do they know it but are strangers to the saints Life having a likeness of a thing a forme of godliness but not the power d Rev. 3.1 a name to live and are dead and with such we have no union knowing them by their voice to be strangers and therefore wee turne away from them and cannot but deale plainely and faithfully with them though we bee reproched by them with the name of Quakers and joyned with Pharisees and Hypocrites because we cannot conforme to the customs of the Heathen and plead as they do for the Devills kingdom of sin and Imperfection that Anti-Christ may have quiet possession in the Church of Christ so long as it remaines here in the world And because we cannot own them as Ministers and Elders of the Church of Christ that sometimes murmurs and complaines of the tyrannicall government of the man of sin in them but pleades for the continuance of sin in the Church whilst in this mortall Estate therefore hee concludes that we are not sensible of sin in our selves nor in others as to warn them to mourn and seek the Lord for them To which I say we all like sheep have gone a stray and in sin we were conceived and in iniquity brought forth and were by nature the children of wrath even as others till it pleased the father in the riches of his grace and love to reveal his Son in us to destroy the works of the Divell and to condemen sin in the flesh and by his blood to cleanse us from all sin and we have known the terrours of the Lord and his indignation against sin and have been made sensible of our condition whilst sin reigned in our mortall Bodies and wee have mourned under it every familie apart when by the light of Christ it was made manifest and by faith in him many have obtained victory over the sin that did easly beset us and lead us captive and how can we that are dead to sin live any longer therein shall we continue in sin and plead for so doing like you that grace may abound nay God forbid that any such thoughts should enter into our hearts to draw us back to the pollutions which we have escaped and with the dog to the vomet and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire again nay verily we are snesible of that condition and cannot but warn them that yet remains in it and exhort them to come forth of it and we do pitty them and pray for them that they may be delivered from the bondage of corruption and out of the snares of the enemie and turned from the darkness to the light that as obedient children they may come to walk honestly as in the day in the light of the Lord and to this end do we labour and travile and freely administer as we have received commending our selves to that of God in every mans conscience again hee saith pag. 9. let both heaven and earth tremble at such rebellion and pride as this is Intimating that we Judge and Condemn all that dare not walk in such a way of disobedience c. Hear I appeal to all sober minded people that ever heard us speak or read our writings whether ever we judged or condemned any that was obedient t othe faith or when did we ever press any to disobedience or did in the least countenance it but have often declared that the wrath of God cometh upon the children of disobedience and surely if this man had not a face
Epistle And this I say farther that although they be called and calls themselves the Church yet were they never owned nor by me called the Church of Christ for as I said before the Church of Christ is as a Lilly among thorns in relation to their condition expressed and confessed under their hands in print and it seems they have refused to return from their wickedness and great abominations if this man may be credited in what he writes concerning them page 8. where he denies not but they are guilty of those sins expressed and confessed in their Epistle from Tiverton but saith He trusts they shall be found so more if this be to be vile we shall yet be more vile Now how can they be more vile then they have rendred themselves in that one Epistle where they confess they have been drawing iniquity with cords of vanity and slavish fear hath stopt their mouths till the mouth of this iniquity hath almost devoured their poor Churches c. and that their affections to Christ are alienated and that the world like a Canker hath eaten out their time their strength their zeal and that the Kingdoms of the world hath bewitched them so that they are become cruel to servants and children exacting all their labours with many other offences by them confessed which may seem to render them vile and uncomely both in the sight of God and men and yet he is so impudent as to say if this be to be vile I trust we shall be more vile Let him that hath moderation judge if this be not to glory in their shame yet they pretend after all this to take some effectual course as they say to purge away sin and sinners out of the house of God which if they do not one of them will be left but to them it seems unpossible to purge away sin and sinners if it be true which is here affirmed by T.C. pag. 7. they that say they are without sin in this mortal estate they are none of the Church of Christ and after he hath reviled against what I wrote concerning the baptism that now saveth and the great salvation that is begun to be spoken of he confesseth it to be a blessed truth and then saith it is such a salvation as never entred into the heart of God Should I but search through his writings and set it in order before him contradiction and confusion would appear eminently therein but that is not my work nor intention neither shall I render unto him or any other evil for evil and railing for railing nor make him an offender for a word nor contend and strive about words for I have not so learned Christ and this I know that there is a witness for God in many of them that shall confess to the truth of what is by me written and it shall stand upon true record for ever though at present he loves not holy things nor cannot receive pearls but turns again to tear and rend him that freely offers them to such as are covering after the best things But now we shall proceed to his doctrine in opposition to perfection and the Saints freedom from sin to which I am called and constrained to make defence for the truths vindication as the spirit gives utterance and first to what he affirms pag. 5. Now to this I say first as concerning the Church or Churches of Christ that God never had a Church in the world free from sin nor were there any durst so to say except the Pharisees and Hypocrites the Quakers excepted Oh from whence is this man fallen and what is become of all those desires and pressing after perfection that once appeared in him see his general Epistle to the universal Church doth he and his followers now think to be made perfect in the flesh that have made so fair a shew of beginning in the spirit and such large pretences of holiness as he hath done how hath he mingled himself among the dishonourable vessels of iron and clay the very feet of the Image what damnable doctrine is this that he holds forth in behalf of the Prince of darkness Surely this will please the man of sin well to let him be exalted above all that is called God to plead his cause and interest in the Church of Christ to exercise Lordship over Gods heritage whilst here on earth for Sions sake I can no longer hold in for if we should keep silence that are called to contend for the faith which purifies the heart and hear the name of God and his doctrine blasphemed the stones out of the wall and beam out of the timber would cry out against this wickedness to say that God never had a Church here on earth free from sin This renders the r Eph. 1.22 23 body of Christ not to be without sin but let T. C. know whatever he affirm to the contrary that the Lord hath reserved seven thousand in England that hath not received the mark of the Beast in their fore heads nor in their right hands nor bowed to his Image nor defiled themselves with women nor with the pollutions of Idols besides a cloud of witnesses wherewith we are compassed about that in their generation fulfilled the will of God and walked before him with an upright heart as doth at large appear in the declaration of truth which agrees to the exhortation of Christ and the gifts given unto men by Christ who said be ye perfect even as your heavenly father is perfect Mat. 5.48 who also ascended up on high led captivity captive and gave gifts unto men for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry till we all come in the unity of the faith unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ Eph. 4. And the Minister of Christ whose preachng was not with excellency of speech nor with the enticing words of mens wisdom but in the demonstration of the spirit and of power he saith of himself and his fellow labourers Å¿ 1 Cor. 2. we speak wisdom among them that are perfect and their preaching was to the Churches of Christ whilst in the world though it is here affirmed that God never had a Church in the world free from sin nor none that ever durst so to say except Pharisees and Hypocrites And yet the Apostle saith concerning himself and the Church how shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein for sin shall not have dominion over you for ye are not under the Law but under Grace being then made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousness Rom. 6. t Col. 2.10 and ye are compleat in him who is the head of all principalities and powers in whom ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ buried with him in Baptisme wherein also you were raised with him