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A69830 A vindication of the Parliament of England, in answer to a book written by William Molyneux of Dublin, Esq., intituled, The case of Irelands being bound by acts of Parliament in England, stated by John Cary ... Cary, John, d. 1720? 1698 (1698) Wing C734; ESTC R22976 59,166 136

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