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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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3. p. 88. Since the Anabaptistick spirits so singularly illuminate must needs preach and set up Churches how comes it that they do not go unto the places where the Gospel yet has not been preached onely they insinuate themselves in these places where the Gospel with great labour has been preached and Churches reformed onely in these places where godly men are in peace and quietnesse the Anabaptists come and make trouble stirring up their dissentions and factions so that thereafter many especially weak ones know not whither to turn themselves But tell me I pray you O Anabaptists from what Scriptures you have learned that it is lawfull for you to fall upon other mens Churches and without any calling Divine or humane of your own proper accord secretly and craftily begin to teach to seduce and cause trouble AA Sleidan l. 10. p. 269. John of Leyden a forward Anabaptist when he had familiarly insinuated himself with the preachers of the Gospel did enquire of them privately how they thought that infants Baptisme could be defended BB Bernard Rotman did publickly exhort the people to pray that their Religion might be kept pure and incorrupt from fantastick men especially from Anabaptists who then did lurk among them whose opinion if it should prevail the Estate not onely of the Republique but also of Religion would be miserable CC Sleidan ibid. By a publick Statute the Anabaptists were commanded to depart the Town DD Ibid. p. 270. The Anabaptists running together into the Market place did cry out that all who were not rebaptized might be slain they possessed themselves of the Town Cannon and offered violence to many EE Ibid. This broyl ended in a composition whereby it was provided that every one should goe home in peace and live quietly in his own Religion FF Lambertus Hortensius p. 17. After that in strength the Anabaptists saw themselves equall unto their opposites and in boldnesse much above them they took in hand a malapert design they did run together in many parts of the Town and with terrible cries they frighted the people the words of all were Get you hence you wicked ones if you desire not to be destroyed for we will presently kill all who refuse to be rebaptized GG Hortensius ibid. By this means the Anabaptists becomming Masters of the Town do frame the State according to their own pleasure Sleidan l. 10. p. 271. They choose a new Senate all of their own faction HH Ibid. Thereafter the Prophet commanded that no man should keep any book but the Bible he commanded all other books to be brought forth and destroyed he said he had this commandment from God so a great number were brought together and all burnt with fire II Ibid. The Prophet Jo Mathy commanded that what ever gold silver or movable goods any had they should bring it to the publick under the pain of death KK Ibid. 272. The Prophet Mathy lays hold upon the poor man casts him down upon the ground and strikes him through with a spear and thereafter shoots him through with a musquet LL Ibid. So soon as he came near the camp of the Enemy he was sticked by a souldier MM Hortensius p. 26. He said he had a command from God to appoint twelve Judges in Israel who in place of the former Magistrates and Senate should have absolute power to rule the State he did choose out twelve of his own friends NN Guy du Breze p. 30. The great Prophet Jo Becold of Leyden having perswaded the lawfulnesse of marrying more wives together he plaid his part pretty well for he did marry fifteen and kept them all together OO Hortensius p. 29. One and fifty were presently cast in prison and for two days were cruelly put to death some were shot at a post others were cut in two pieces the rest were beheaded Knipperdolling was executioner to them all PP Ibid. p. 31. The Prophet Tuiscoscurerius did proclaim in the Market place The Lord cals thee Becold to be King that not onely thou maist reign here in Sion but also that thou maist command over the whole world and subject to thy Scepter all men in the whole earth QQ Ibid. p. 33. He carried upon his head a triple crown of pure gold adorned with rich stones and jewels about his neck he had a golden chain in his hand a golden globe c. RR Ibid. p. 46. The King publikely with his own hand did kill one of his wives not being condemned in any Judicatory avowing that the people ought to rest satisfied that the King did approve his cause to God SS Sleidan l. 10. p. 283. The Hassian Divines did so dispute with Becold that he did grant them the most part of the things in question and did promise if his life might be safe to make all the Anabaptists of Holland England and Freezland to be quiet and in all things obedient to the Magistrate TT Ibid. Being executed they were put every one in Iron-grates and hung up upon the highest Steeple of the Town VV Hortensius p. 7. By the conspiracy of the Anabaptists two very famous Towns at one time were much endangered Munster and Amsterdam the one through the default of the Governours was wracked the other with the wisdome and diligence of the Magistrate was preserved XX Guy du Breze p. 60. A certain woman one of your sisters at Apezel in Suitzerland did teach and perswade a number of your brethren that she was Christ the Messias of the women who did choose twelve Apostles YY Hortensius p. 74. Ten year after the taking of Munster one was taken in Utrecht who was appointed to be King but not yet crowned among other of his crimes he led aside his wife into a wood and there struck off her head that thereafter the more quietly and peaceably he might continue his incest with her daughter but it was not long while he kill'd the damsell also lest he should be betrayed ZZ Historia Davidis Georgii p. 12. John Battenburg affirmed himself to be sent by God to set up the Kingdome of Christ that was fallen at Munster AAA Ibid. p. 11. He did say that the grace of the Gospel had long enough been offered that from thenceforth all who had rejected it were to be killed with the sword that they who of their own accord thereafter did joyn themselves to the Battenburgick sect however they might not be received in the number of children yet after the example of the Gibeonites their life might be spared and they might be taken in as servants BBB Ibid. p. 12. Whatever they found in the fields or the villages they carried it away and destroyed it they did creep in quietly or broke in by force into the houses of the adversaries and there they killed people in their beds or closing the doores did burn them to death or leading them out of their houses did hang them upon trees CCC Battenburg did slander the Monasterians as slack and Apostates who quickly were
this has ever been the way of Schismaticks The ordinary custome of Hereticks is not to labour but to spoyl the labors of others like drones and wasps to fall upon the labours of others they use not any where to be the instruments of any Reformation or conversion but when that work by the labour of others is done then they come in to spoyl all pressing upon a reformed and a converted people their fancies Z When the Gospel was flourishing in Munster King Becold enters Munster a certain Taylor of Leyden in Holland one John Becold did come to Town who at home in his own Country had drunk in all the Anabaptistick ravery the man was of a quick and subtill wit a great dissembler insinuating himself in the favour of the Ministers he did propone at first only by way of scruple his arguments against infants baptisme AA but in the mean time in his secret conventicles over all the City he did instill the whole mystery of Anabaptisme The chief Minister Rotman did at the beginning preach zealously against that way BB Some of the prime Ministers are gained to Anabaptisme but after that one Stapreda a violent Anabaptist had eropen in to be his colleague Rotman was gained to that party and at a publique disputation declared himself for them notwithstanding the other Ministers did confute so clearly the Anabaptists grounds that the Town Senate remained satisfied and by that Edict commanded all the Anabaptists to depart the City CC The slacknesse of the Magistrate though orthodoxe did ruine the City But this Statute was so slackly executed that the most remained still in Town and did in their night meetings so diligently advance their cause that a great many more were conquered upon which strength waxing confident they defied their opposites and came to a publique insurrection DD The Sectaries though fewer and weaker yet by wit and industry did master their opposites As yet the orthodox were the greater part but the Schismaticks were the more witty and industrious they managed so well their smaller strength that they became not only considerable but so formidable that their adversaries were glad to indulge them their liberty and toleration which they had long desired EE but behold the issue of that indulgence They who of a long time had made it their great work to cry down persecution and up toleration when they had obtained that desire they did not stand there By the stirrup of toleration the Sectaries ascended to the saddle of Soveraignty but went on every day to adde new members to their society till at last finding the great increase of their strength within the City they did invite by Messengers and Letters their associates abroad from all quarters to joyn with them These summons made many strangers to slock to the Town upon whose appearance without farther delay a publick Proclamation was issued for all to be rebaptized or else immediately to depart the City under the pain of death FF Many of the best did flee whose houses and goods were seized upon yet many good people were forced to stay for the Bishop of Munster had then blocked up the City whereby divers of those whoe offered to get out were killed and spoiled and the rest were frighted from attempting any escape to the Country The Anabaptists becomming absolute Masters of the Town Being once Masters of the City they presently changed the Government made it their first care to discharge all the former Magistrates and to substitute in their place a new Senate of their own faction GG over which they did set two Consuls Knipperdolling and Kippenburgh two of their most forward friends They seised on the goods of all and killed whom they would About that time a certain Baker of Harleim John Mathie did make himself a great Prophet among them this man one day did deliver as a revelation from heaven that every one should bring together all his books and papers the Bible onely excepted of all these he made a faire bonfire HH His next command was that every one should bring forth all his money and goods under the paine of death that all might be common II none durst be bold to disobey Iustice was so quick and severe amongst them One Truteling a Smith for a merrie word against the Prophets was brought forth before the people and shot dead by the Prophet Mathies own hands KK after this Mathie pretending a Commission from God went out his alone with confidence to overthrow the whole camp of them who besieged the City but by the first of the Enemies Soldiers the false Prophet was killed LL For all this so strong was the delusion The peoples mindes being insnared by their errours their tyranny became irremediable the blinded people did not open their eyes Becold and Knipperdolling did dayly preach new visions Becold having lien in a trance three daies when he awakened he appeared to be dumb but by writing Tables he signified it was the command of God to change yet further the Government of the City he set down the names of twelve of his greatest confidents to be Governors and Princes over the twelve Tribes of Israel MM This was no sooner proponed then executed So soon as the holy Prophet got his mouth opened the first motion he makes They proclaimed Polygamy was that the Preachers would consider if it were not the will of God for the increase of the holy seed that every one of the Saints should have more wives at the first the Preachers opposed this abomination but thereafter by threats and flatteries they were brought to yeeld Becold began and at one time married three but at once he came to the number of fifteen together NN The great Prophets example was followed by many and by all that would many honest Matrons were forced to marry with any of these villains who liked them This unheard of wickednesse did so imbitter the spirits of the remainder of ingenuous men that they rose up in a conspiracy and laid hold on Becold Knipperdolling and the rest of their false Prophets but behold the common people got up in a tumult rescued the Prophets and killed forty nine of the honestest Citizens for their assaying to put some end to their intolerable misorders OO A faint and unsuccessefull resistance did hasten and confirm Becolds Kingdome Nothing more advances the affairs of Tyrants then a faint imprudent unsuccesseful resistance Becold by this unhappy attempt of his Enemies having confirmed his authority suborned one of the Prophets to preach to the people that it was the Command of God to make Becold the King of the whole Earth promising that all the Kings and Potentates of the world should certainly be subdued by his Sword for he was the man that should rule all Nations with a rod of Iron PP Becold at the hearing of these news humbled himself to the ground adored the truth of that prophecy
of the City Provinces the whole Common-wealth was absolutely at his disposition only for his own assistance in the discharge of so incomparable a trust he did name for a helper and a second almost an equall a Master of Horse If we should come to this excellent expedient it were not hard for the people of the Sectarian party to fall without much deliberation upon a Dictator to whose valour and untainted fidelity they might without fear or the least suspicion commit the common safety and if merit may be regarded if boldnesse and diligence in pulling down old Tyrants whether Kings or Lords or Commons for the advancement of the people to their due place may be valued a Lievtenant a Master of Horse without difficulty might presently be found This much of their mind already they have declared that all good people of their own accord without any authority may arise in Arms as one man and when they are up they may choose for their Governor whom they please LLLLL and mould the State in what fashion they conceive to be most for their own good MMMMM and thereafter put the Militia during their pleasure in the hands of these to whom they dare trust the common safety providing they be known to be firm for absolute liberty of conscience NNNNN And among these he who runs may reade in their Books one glorious name in whose bosome the Dictatorian patent could not but fall only here is the hazard when Caesar was once possessed of the Dictators place he had the skill and the will also to keep in his own hand that highest command for ever And although the perpetuall Dictatorship was a little interrupted by his violent death in the midst of the Senate yet never did the command return any more to the people but in place of their expected liberty their government was changed into a most Tyrannick Empire As in nature so in State there is a constant vicissitude the corruption of one is the generation of another and that which ariseth doth post to its fall and corruption that a new plant may come in its stead The rash and heady overturners of States pull down the possessors that themselves may sit in their rooms but they are not well hot in their new places till the judgement of God and the unavoidable circulation which is and ever has been in all sublunary affairs casts them likewise out that their seats may be void to their pressing successors I confesse at my first sight of this Anabaptistick root The State in danger by the Sectaries principles the peoples supremacy at its first appearance above ground I was more afraid for it then for any other errour of the time for I apprehended if it did grow it might overturn the whole State from the very foundation and bring upon all the Land such a confusion as was unexpressible This apprehension as yet seems to me not altogether groundlesse for if this principle be driven on but a little further if the unwise and unjust multitude be flattered into a Supremacy of power and perswaded of a necessity were it but of a conveniency or of a meer lawfulnesse to put down Kings Lords and Commons and to set up what ever other Government they think meetest for their own safety and welfare I am in the opinion that some very mean born Gentlemen if they have but the skill and constancy for some little time to play the Cards right that now are in their hands are in as fair a possibility to attain the Dictatorship of England as Julius Caesar was to attain that of Rome some few years before the civill Warre But though they should attain all and much more then for the time themselves do intend or dare as yet desire The greatest purchace which the overturners of States usually make is a late repentance their reward may prove unworthy their labour It had been much better for Caesar and his Army that they had permitted the Senate to govern according to the former Laws the change indeed which he made in the State did advance him for a time to the highest degree of command and his friends to the most of their private desires yet ere long it brought upon him an untimous and cruell death and upon all the Romans a perpetuall slavery When the whole account is cast up the changers of State use not to be so great gainers but had they fore-seen the end and taken it into their reckoning they could easily have been content never to have begun their enterprise The Testimonies of the third Chapter A Fratlies Dipper Dipped in the Epistle to Downame these above all others have bestirred themselves since the waters were troubled and they boast in secret of their great draughts of fish the Papists of 20000 proselytes the Anabaptists of 47 Churches B M. Marshals Defence p. 76. The Confession is such a one as I beleeve thousands of our new Anabaptists will be far from owning at any man may be able to say without a spirit of divination knowing that their received and usuall doctrines do much more agree with the Anabaptists in Germany then with this handfull who made this Confession here in London C M. Black against Tombs Apology p. 14. I doubt lest that the community of these of that opinion in London will not be concluded by the subscription of these 15 persons many witnesses will affirm that such Doctrines are frequently broached in their congregations which stand in full contradiction to severall articles in that confession which you mention D Barrows Discovery p. 26. What communion is to be held with the Church of England can the name of a Church without blasphemy unto Christ be given unto them in these sins I have often wondred how any man of sound judgement could give them the name of a Church Ibid. in the Preface Let them save their soul out of this accursed false Church E Robinsons Apology p. 78. Convenit nobis quatenus reformatis Ecclesiia Belgicis aliis cum Ecclesia Anglicana in Articulis fidei hujus Ecclesiae nomine scriptis Vide Disswasive first Part p. 20 21. F Vide Disswasive first Part. p. 103 104. G William Kiffins Answer in Ricrafts Looking glasse for the Anabaptists p. 9. So long as you deny to follow the rule of Christ for the separation of the wicked from the godly and separating the precious from the vile we are bound in obedience to Jesus Christ to leave you whilst you remain obstinate to him England hath at this time in her as hatefull birds as any Nation whatsoever when these things do so appear is it not high time to hearken to the voyce of the Apostle Acts 2.40 to save your self from such a generation and to come out from them Rev. 18.4 H Declaration concerning the publick dispute by Benjamin Cocks c. p. 13. The baptism of Infants does deny Christ to be come in the flesh Cornwels Vindication of the Royall Commission
their Coventicle house and there before many people said that Brother Kiffen and Patience anoynting her she suddenly recovered SS Vide supra O. TT Gangren first Part p. 27. That all singing of Psalmes as Davids or any other holy songs of Scripture is unlawfull and not to be joyned with that the singing which Christians should use is that of hymnes and spirituall songs framed by themselves composed by their own gifts and that upon speciall occasions as deliverances c. sung in the Congregation by one of the assembly all the rest being silent VV Gangren first Part p. 23. This Den preacheth much against tythes he hath put down all singing of Psalmes in his Church XX The compassionate Samaritane p. 31 33. And hereby is maintained the necessity and excellency of Learning and the Languages and so of Vniversities and a supposall that the Arts likewise are necessary to a Divine As Diana was so is learning the crafts-mens living and the peoples Goddesse the people may if they please dote upon that which hath been their destruction they ought to account better of them that having no by-ends or respects have studied the Scriptures for their own and others information and do impart the same to the people out of a desire of their good for nothing as the Anabaptists doe to their Congregations See also Bloudy Tenet p. 173. YY Vide Disswasive p. 48. Browns life and manners of all true Christians p. 8. Know ye not that they which have their full and sufficient authority and calling are not to care for a further authority Hath not every lawfull Pastor his full authority Ibid. p. 8. The Lord did not only shew them the Tabernacle but bade them make it but these men will not make it at all because they will tarry for the Magistrate Ibid. pag. 10. They could not force Religion as you would have the Magistrate to do and it was forbidden to the Apostles to preach to the unworthy or to force a planting or government in the Church the Lords kingdome is not by force neither durst Moses or any of the Kings of Judah force the people by Law or by power to receive the Church government but after they received it if then they fell away and sought not the Lord they might put them to death They do cry Discipline discipline that is for a civill forcing to imprison the people or otherwise by violence to handle and beat them if they would not obey them Ibid. p. 11. The Lords people is of the willing sort they shall come unto Sion and enquire the way unto Jerusalem not by force nor compulsion but with their faces thitherward And p. 12. Because the Church is in a Common-wealth it is of the Magistrates charge that is concerning the outward provision and outward justice they are to look but to compell Religion to plant Churches by power and to force a submission to Ecclesiasticall government by Laws and penalties belongeth not to them neither yet to the Church ZZ Disswasive p. 49. EEEEE FFFFF Also the modell of Church and civill power composed by M. Cotton in the bloudy Tenet p. 156. The Magistrate hath power to forbid all idolatrous and corrupt assemblies who offer to put themselves under their patronage and shall attempt to joyn themselves into a Church estate and if they shall not hearken to force them therefrom by the power of the sword Ib. 101. Tolerating many Religions in a State in severall Churches beside the provoking of God may in time not only corrupt leaven divide and so destroy the peace of the Churches but also dissolve the Continuity of the State especially ours whose wals are made of the stones of the Churches He hath also power to compell all men within his grant to hear the Word ZZ 2 Tombs Apology p. 13. Being acquainted with a Law made in New England and proceedings against those that denied baptizing of Infants I yeelded to the sending of my examen thither and therewith I sent this short Epistle Reverend Brethren understanding that there is some disquiet in your Churches about paedobaptism c. AAA Apologetick narration p. 19. To the Magistrates power we give as much and as we think more then the principles of the Presbyteriall government will suffer them to yeeld BBB Burrows Irenicon at length CCC Apologeticall narration p. 9. We judge that excommunication should be put in execution for no other kinde of sinnes then may evidently be presumed to be perpetrated against the parties known light as whether it be a sin in manners and conversation such as is committed against the light of nature or the common received practises of Christianity professed in all the Churches of Christ or if an opinions then such as are likewise contrary to the received principles of Christianity and the power of godlinesse professed by the party himself and universally acknowledged in all the rest of the Churches and no other sins to be the subject of that most dreadfull sentence DDD John Goodwins Theomachia p. 37. Concerning other civill means for the suppression and restraint of these spirituall evils errours heresies c. as imprisonment banishment interdictions finings c. both reason and experience concurre in this demonstration that such fetters as these put upon the feet of errours and heresies to secure and keep them under still have proved wings whereby they raise themselves the higher in the thoughts and mindes of men and gain an opportunity of farther propagation Ibid. To hold that the persons so elected the Members of the House of Commons chosen by men unworthy and strangers to the power of godliness have a power by vertue of such nomination or election to enact Laws and Statutes in matters of Religion and to order under mulcts and penalties how men shall worship and serve God as it is a means to awaken the eye of jealousie upon them and so is seven times more destructive unto the undermining not only of their power but of their honour peace and safety also then any thing that is found in the way so ill entreated so is it the setling upon the electors of such persons I mean upon the promiscuous multitude of the Land a greater power then ever Jesus Christ himself had at least then ever he exercised EEE Anabaptists Confession Edition second Article 48. in the margin Concerning the worship of God there is but one Lawgiver Jesus Christ who hath given Laws and rules sufficient in his word for his worship and for any to make more were to charge Christ for want of wisdome or faithfulnesse or both in not making Laws enough or not good enough for his house Surely it is our wisdome duty and priviledge to observe Christs Laws only FFF Ibid. It is our duty to do and we believe it is our expresse duty especially in matters of Religion to be fully perswaded in our mindes of the lawfulnesse of what we do for whatsoever is not of faith is sin and as we cannot do