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B21542 A musick-lector, or, The art of musick (that is so much vindicated in Christendome) discoursed of by way of dialogue between three men of several judgments the one a musician and master of that art, and zealous for the Church of England ..., the other a Baptist ..., the other a Quaker (so called) ... / written by Solomon Eccles. Eccles, Solomon, 1618-1683. 1667 (1667) Wing E129 22,469 30

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that they are the true Ministers of Christ that turn people from darkness to Light and from the power of Satan to God Act. 26. 28. Mu. I must confess our Ministers are great Scholars as Oxford and Cambridge can afford and we look upon such to be the Ministers of the Gospel and none else but yet I cannot say they turn people from their sins But pray are there no true Ministers of Christ but they Qua. Nay none can be said to be Ministers of Christ but such as turn people to the Lord. Mu. Why who then did send them came they of themselves Qu. I never sent them saith the Lord yet they run but they shall not profit the people at all Jer. 23. 22. Mu. Truly I think they have been much better than they are now Qua. Yea they have lost their Courage their Faith and their Zeal and some of them have spued up the Common-Prayer-Book in their Zeal but now they have many of them lickt it up again See what the Prophet calls such Isa 56. 10. Mu. Indeed our Ministers do love their bellies too well to be the Ministers of Christ Truly Friend I cannot speak much for them I see they feed their flock but sparingly but themselves they feed without fear I think for they grow in belly amain but what shall I say when such men as they go wrong what shall become of me that am a sinner Qua. Believe in the Light that shines in thy heart for that Teacher will never deceive thee but will make thee wiser than all thy Teachers Psal 119. 99 100. Mu. Your counsel is good but me-thoughts you were a very honest man and strict before you were a Quaker if I were so I should desire no more Qu. I had a Zeal but not according to Knowledge and all that I have given up to the Bats and to the Moles such as come not forth to look on the Sun for fear of persecution Joh. 10. 1. 1 Tim. 2. 3 12. Isa 2. 20. Mu. 'T is good to avoid Persecution as near as we can for the Scriptures advise us so to do Qu. The Thief and the Robber would climb up some other way but all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer Persecution 2 Tim. 3. 12. Mu. But Christ sayes If they persecute you in one City flee into another Qu. Before the Holy Ghost was given which was the promise of the Father they were more in fear and in the Childs state till our Lord and Master was offered up for a pattern to them then the same Spirit of Christ came into them and made them of the same mind for holy boldness and courage and they loved not their lives to the death and as Christ suffered in the flesh they do arm themselves with the same mind 1 Pet. 4. 1. Mu. Well but my Friend I have something else to say to you and I will leave these things to my Friend here who is better able to answer you than I can But pray let me ask you one question Qua. Use thy freedom Mu. Why did you forsake and dispise so harmless a Calling and Practice in the Art of Musick as you have done Besides you burnt and brake many good Instruments of Musick and burnt your Books of great price and value and why did you burn and break them at Tower-Hill I thought to tell you of it for it was an injurious thing to make our Calling contemptible And it is well known that Musick is the gift of God and an honourable practice I wonder you were not ashamed a man that lived so well and civilly to go and cast off such a Livelihood who maintained your Wife and Family very well and in good order and it is very probable if you had continued you had been of great esteem at this day Qua. I have found out the true Teacher who teaches the best Musick that ever any did learn who for rarity and skill out-strips all that ever had a name and such Musick as takes in the ears of God himself Jer. 9. 24. Mu. Lord bless me is there such a rare Musick-teacher among the Quakers I have heard indeed that the Quakers will come together in one place and sit an hour two or three and not speak a word one to another except sigh groan or weep do you call this good Musick Bap. Pray Friend what ground of Scripture have you to come together where some do sigh and groan and some do weep What Edification is there in this dumb show Qua. The Spirit breathes in whom it listeth and thou mayest hear the sound thereof but knowest not from whence it comes nor whither it goes John 3. Bap. Did you ever hear such Nonsense as this man speaks what strange stuff is this did I not tell you Sir what Nonsense we should have Qua. Are the Scriptures Nonsense Mu. Hold hold my Friend and be not offended at him for he hath spoke Scripture only some Translations do much differ Bap. All that I grant is true but what Scripture hath he to prove that Silent-meeting is a Worship of God Qua. The three Friends of Job when they beheld what misery he lay in they lift up their voice and wept and rent their cloaths indeed and sat down on the ground with him but spake nothing one to another for seven dayes and seven nights Job 2. last yet I do not bring this as a proof Mu. Indeed it was a long time for men to keep silence seven dayes and seven nights and not speak a word there was never such a thing done in our days I must confess but Job was a patient man Qua. I would ask thy Friend one Question and if he be free to answer me then the thing will appear more plain Mu. I 'le warrant hee 'l answer you for he is an able man and though he and I do differ I must confess in judgement yet I know he is able to answer you for he is a baptized person and stands for the vindication of Baptism and the Lord's Supper which are the Ordinances of God Qua. And I also stand in the defence of the holy Truth of God which was once delivered to the Saints Jude 3. Bap. Well Friend what 's your Question Qua. Who is it that tempts men to sin and to disobedience Bap. That is soon answered for he that tempts men to sin is the Devil Qua. Thou hast rightly answered for God tempts no man to sin neither is he tempted of any but every man when he is tempted is drawn away of his own lust and enticed and when lust hath conceived it brings forth sin and sin when it is finished brings forth death Jam. 1. 14 15. Bap. All that is true you have answered your self Qua. Then this is the Question By what means is it by a vocal voice or outward sound that he teaches men to sin Bap. Nay I do believe that the Devil is a spirit and doth not teach men to sin by
sin because he is born of God And John said he should have boldness in the Day of Judgement because as he is so are we saith he in this Life Bap. But doth not the Apostle say We and others speak after the same manner Qu. Yea for instance James said We as well as John In many things WE sin all But James was not in the many things but in the one Seed the Anointing and could sin no more than John And again he said We For saith he with the tongue we bless God and with the tongue we curse men made after the Image of God But did James Curse men Mu. God forbid For I believe that James was a very honest man and would not Curse men Jam. 3. 9. But pray Friend why did Paul say The good that I would do I do not and the evil that I would not do that do I Qu. Truly Friend that was a good state to cry out being under the sense of a body of sin and to feel sin exceeding sinful I verily believe there was such a day with Paul but the Lord brought him out of that state as he said For the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus hath set me free from the Law of sin and death 'T is so Rom. 7. 24. 8. 2. Bap. Why do you Quakers hold falling away For once in Christ and ever in Christ and so sin past and present and to come is done away Qu. How can Baptists fall away from the Truth that are not come to it or fall from Christ who are not in Christ For I testifie in the Spirit of Truth that there is as great a gulfe between you Baptists that are not in Christ and those that are in the Truth as there was between Abraham and Dives But they that are in Christ and do abide in Christ are his Disciples But they that are in him and do not abide in him they will be cast forth as a branch and so it withereth and men cast it into the fire saith Christ Jesus John 15. But if thou couldest make that good That sin past present and to come is put away thou wouldest be a friend to the Ranters and to the old Apostates and so make the sayings of Christ and the Prophets of none effect But thou and they will find it otherwise except ye repent And I know also though I bear you no malice but wish that you may be delivered from wrath to come and that you may come to the Righteousness of Christ by true repentance towards God and faith through our Lord Jesus Christ there is an antipathy in you against the truth of God and Gods friends called Quakers For in times past I had been delivered out of Prison had it not been for a Baptist-Chair-Man But Paul was in the same condition when he was Saul for he thought verily that he must do many things against Jesus of Nazareth which thing I did in Jerusalem and many of the Saints did I shut up in Prison and when they were to be put to death I gave my voice against them Acts 16. 6 10. And this I say in the fear of the Lord not sparing any whoever they are that are and shall be found workers of Iniquity they must depart from him although they may be called Quakers yet if they go from their stedfastness and from the Truth and become such as forsake the assemblings of themselves together as some do and have done such are gone from their first Love and have damnation Yea and if such do not speedily return and witness repentance they are in danger to sin against the holy Ghost for such Crucify unto themselves the Son of God and put him to open shame yea such trample under foot the Son of God and count the blood of the New Covenant an unholy thing by which they were sanctified Notwithstanding such did taste of the heavenly gift and of the power of the world to come Such were in the dayes of Old who were called The Sons of God And the Sons of God went in to the Daughters of men and were drowned with the wicked Gen. 8. 2. Ezek. 16. 22. and 34. 7. Heb. 6. 6. and 10. 25 26. Mu. But truly Friend 't is pitty that so many good men that are in England and other parts who fear God for I am perswaded that there are some good men among the Baptists and Independants the Presbyters and Episcopal yea and Papists too that are very strict men and serve God instantly and what are they all cast away because they are not Quakers Qu. Why call'st thou them good there is none good but God and they that are taught of God and do hear what the Spirit of Truth doth say to them and obey it and such their praise is not of men but of God But as to the fear of the Lord that is very precious God will bring such to the Truth from out of all the barren places For God is no respecter of persons but in every Nation he that feares God and works Righteousness is accepted of him I say such will God bring to his Everlasting Truth as he did Cornelius But as for the generality of those men thou spakest of They have a zeal of God but not according to knowledge For there is one thing that God doth require and they despite that one thing so their Prayers cannot be heard Rom. 10. 2 3. Mu. Pray what is that One thing which makes them uncapable of acceptation for methinks 't is great pitty that so many good men as I call them should not be accepted Surely you judge too hardly Qu. I dare not daube with untempred morter for where they are I was viz. in Performances in Ordinances in Family Duties in Hearing in Reading in Prayers in Fastings in my own Will and all this was Will-Worship but when that One thing came which is needful I became very poor and needy and I do find and therefore do testifie for God that while men are in their natural state they cannot please God nay all men rather are displeased at that of God in their own hearts though they may think themselves never so Religious For Paul said That he thought verily that he was to do many things contrary to Jesus of Nazareth Well but when I came to bend my mind to that of God in me which is Christ his pure Law in my heart shewed sin to be exceeding sinful and then I began to learn to be a fool insomuch that I durst not give thanks for the Victuals that were set before me Psal 39. 2. Rom. 7. 13. Mu. Truly then you were unworthy of it in my judgement for we must give thanks and praise God for all his Benefits Lord what sad People are you Quakers I did never hear such a word before Qu. Ah Friend Gods wayes are not like mans wayes neither are mans teachings like unto God's teachings for when the Lord comes his Commandment is