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A33370 A paradisical dialogue betwixt faith and reason disputing the high mysterious secrets of eternity, the like never extant in our revelation. As touching God in eternity, how he became time in flesh, and how he dyed in the grave, and ascended to his glory again. Also what the angels are in form and nature, and how the angel became a devil, and that devil man; and that this world was prepared for the devil, so this the devils kingdom; and what the soul is, with the place of its glory and torment. With a brief narration what a commission is, and how many commissions there are; what the difference of their worships, and how that the law was given to the devil; with a brief discourse on the catechism, the Lords Prayer, and the creeds; as also, a divine prospect to the elect of the Lord. Written by Law. Claxton, the onely true bishop and faithful messenger of Christ Jesus, creator of heaven and earth. Claxton, Laurence, 1615-1667. 1660 (1660) Wing C4581; ESTC R215220 88,691 122

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it is finished bringeth forth death Novv Jam. 1. 15. vvhile thy lust is a tempting there comes a good motion and frustrates that temptation by vvhich means that thou hadst intended is not conceived so no sin indeed lust vvas burning in thy heart but in that it came not to perfection the lavv hath quenched the flame for vvhat hath the Lavv to do vvith a heart-adultery no no it is no thought but an act that breaks the Law and what comes not within the bounds of the Lavv be it adultery nay be it murther if it lie onely in the heart and be not acted there can no Lavv condemn thee Reason What is thy thoughts as touching the fourth Commandment as being changed from Saturday to Sunday and vvhat is the reason why this Command vvas changed above all the rest and vvhethe● this Sabbath called The first day of the week is not according to the judgement of the Assembly of Divines to continue to the end of the World vvithout any alteration thereof Faith It matters not me vvhat grounds or principles of Religion your Assembly of Divines holds forth as a Catechi●m to thy Seed for this by Faith I knovv and against men and Angels affirm That as the Commission of Moses ended in the Commission of the Apostles so the Jevvish Sabbath vvith the rites thereof ended in the Sabbath or first day of the vveek of the Apostles then knovv as the Commission of the Apostles ends in ours so vve have povver as the Apostles to erect you a Sabbath suitable to our Commission for knovv this that one Commission is not tied in point of Revelation to observe the former but each Commission according to its title and place hath power in it self to direct you what manner of Sabbath you are to keep therefore observe the Sabbath of Moses Commission was in this nature as followeth viz. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God in it thou shalt not do any work thou nor thy son nor thy daughter thy man servant nor thy maid servant nor thy cattel nor thy stranger that is within thy gate for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth the sea and all that in them is and rested the seventh day wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it Now this Sabbath thou wilt not own but the First day or Sabbath of the Apostles which hath no such form in it as the Sabbath of the Jews hath And why the Sabbath of the Jews was altered I tell thee in that Christ the onely God by his own power that day had quickned death into life as it is written In the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn towards Mat. 28. 1 2. the first day of the week came Mary Magdalen and the other Mary to see the Sepulchre and behold there was an earthquake for the Angel of the Lord descended from Heaven and came and rolled back the stone from the door and sate upon it So this being the first day of Christs Resurrection was a day of joy and gladness to the Apostles in that it brought peace and rest to their souls confirmed in their faith that he was Christ the Son of God Whereupon the Revelation of their faith led them forth to keep the first day of their Saviours Triumph over sin hell and death to be a day set apart to assemble together and contribute their benevolence for the refreshment of the poor members of that faith as it is written And upon the first day of the week when the Disciples Act. 20. 7. came together to break bread Paul preached unto them ready to depart on the morrow and continued his speech until midnight also Vpon the first day of the week let every one of you 1 Cor. 16. 2. lay by him in store as God hath prospered him that there be no gathering when I come Now this Command being a day set apart in point of Worship therefore as the Commission changed so the Worship changed and so of necessity it will follow that the day must be changed Therefore take notice as this Commission was not to hold to the end of the World no more ought that First day for as I said before every Commission hath power in it self in the vertue of its Revelation to change its Worship suitable to its Commission so a Commission hath power to change a day for that Worship Now our Commission being spiritual doth hold forth no manner or forms of Worship but the worshipping of God in Spirit and truth Therefore I say not onely the Jews Sabbath but also the Apostles First day in our Commission are void and of no effect as it is written He spake on a c●rtain place of Heb. 4. 4. the seventh day on this wise and God did rest the seventh day from all his works So the blessed of the Lord believing Christ to be God the Father Creator of Heaven and earth are entered into the perfect liberty of faith which frees them from the lusts of the flesh and so entered into peace and rest by which not onely the Jews Sabbath nor the Apostles First day but every day is a Sabbath to the Elect of the Lord Now Mat. 12. 1 10. in that the Priests of this World do know that if the first should be as another day then they would lose their hearers and so in conclusion lose their tythes therefore as Christ and the Apostles by the Jews were accused for breaking their Sabbath so the Pharisaical Teachers of thy Seed will condemn us for repealing the First day of the Week But however in the Authority of our Commission I declare That every soul which knoweth Christ in his Form and Nature the Devil in his Form and Nature hath entered unto his eternal Sabbath of perfect rest without end Reason Let me but hear thy judgement as touching that saying of the Lawyer to Christ Master which is the great Commandment in the Law Now Christs answer was That thou shouldst Mat. 22. 36 37 38. love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy minde this is the first and great Commandment Faith And the second is like unto it Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thy self on these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets Now what manner of love is this with which if we love the Lord and our Neighbour as our self we keep the whole Law but for my part I know not the man that can love his neighbour as himself and so none can truly love God My judgement is That all the ten Commandments are according to the sequel of these words reduced into two heads and these two are comprehended yea fulfilled in this word Love as it is written Owe no man any thing but to Rom. 13. 8 love one another
a word and a stab when as the Jew Devil is subject to the Law he is reasonable in that he will moderately try the innocent by the Law so that God saw good the Devils should have a Law to curb them yea torment them and condemn them for ever Now the rule that the Seed of Faith doth walk by is not by the Law but by Faith as it is written The Law of faith hath freed us from the Law of sin and death though most of Rom. 8. 2. thy Seed do conclude themselves believers yet I say that freedom onely belongs to a Commission and the believers thereof as the Apostle includes all believers with him are free from the Law and none other For Chr●st is the end of Rom. 10. 4. the Law for righteousness to every ●one that believeth And what though I have been a great sinner yea so great murther excepted that there was few beyond me yet now being washed sanctified yea justified that I am now no longer under the Law but under Grace which none of thy ●eed shall ever attain too notwithstanding they seek it with tears Reason What then do all believyrs of thy Commission keep the Law and not any of the seven Churches keep the Law as well as thou What then dost thou say of the Quakers and many others that are very moderate just men insomuch that none can tax them with the breach of any of the ten Commandments Faith I say in the experience of my Revelation there is not any keeps the Law but those that are freed from the Law as aforesaid and sure I am there is none in the perfect Law of Liberty but the Seed of the Woman which Seed of Faith doth run in the line of one Commission to another so that I can speak for no more then I finde in the publique profession thereof not denying but there may be here one and there one scattered up and down which if the report of our Commission came but to the hearing of their ear they would embrace it as the rest of our believers do But truly I speak it there are so few known and not known that there is not a hundred to ten millions of the contrary Seed that will or can believe the report of a Commissioner as touching the true God and therefore we may say with the Prophet Who hath believed our report or to whom is the Isa 43. 1. Arm of the Lord revealed that is the arm of Faith revealed So few there was in every Commission that they were but a little yea and that a very little flock in comparison of the non-commissionate Churches And whereas thou supposeth by the moderate carriage and just dealing betwixt man and man the Quakers with many other of thy Priesthood generation may keep the Law as well as the believer of a Commission I shall moderately answer thee in that saying of James That whosoever shall keep the whole Law and Jam 2. 10. yet offend in one point is guil●y of all So that I say though the Quake●s of all the seven Churches do nearest keep the Law yet in that they offend in the first command they are guilty of all for it is written Thou shalt have no other Gods Exo. 20. 3. but me Now as aforesaid thou hast heard me in the first and second Chapters that there is none of your seven Churches Sons of Generations but you have other gods besides Christ the one●y God some of you saying God is a Spirit without form and this Spirit God is within you and others of you will have no God but Nature onely and the rest of thy B●b●lonish brood will have one Spirit to have three persons So that from the knowledge of the true God I tell you all are guilty of the Law though I acknowledge the Quakers exact walking and therefore I love them yet in that they are ignorant of the knowledge of the true God which is life Eternal I say your Directories forms of Prayer the Creed Baptism breaking of Bread and set days of Fasts and Thanksgiving and such like stuff are not onely a breach of the first but second Commandment all which have a form of godliness but not the power So that I say they are no less then Idols and graven Images of thy own invention and therefore it matters not though some of you keep all the rest of the Commands and not know the true God thou art guilty of all Reason Then if a man come to the knowledge of the true God that is sufficient notwithstanding he break all the rest of the Commands because thou saith Thet keeping of all the rest is nothing without he know that God which thou hast revealed Faith However it is thy pleasure to misconstrue me in that thou knowest not the indwelling of truth in me yet this is the thing I said unto thee That though any of thy Seed keep all the Commands but the first in that they keep not all they are guilty of all for this I knovv the knovvledge of the true God leads forth a soul to keep all the Commandments of God for in that I knovv him therefore I love him and so keep his Commandments as it is vvritten If ye love me keep my Commandments Reason What then dost not thou sin because thou knovvest the true God and keeps his Commands then I must say thou art more righteous and perfect then any man upon earth for it is vvritten If we say that we have no sin we 1 John 8. deceive our selves and the truth is not in us vvith such like places Faith Let me tell thee if I sin I do not keep the Lavv as it is vvritten Whosoever commiteth sin transgresseth the 1 Joh. 3 4. Law for sin is the transgression of the Law But in that I have knovvn the true God vvhich Seed of God remaining in me I cannot sin because I am partaker of the Divine Nature of God Now if I should say that I have no motion● to sin I should deceive my self and the truth is not in me for I knovv there is a great difference betvvixt a motion and an act for it is to be understood not he that thinketh a sin but he that committeth sin is of the Devil as all thy Seed are at a loss as touching the mysterie of this secret not understanding a motion from an act and therefore thousands of thy Seed perish for want of knovvledge in that saying of Christ That whosoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart Mat. 5. 28. from hence concluding that if thou dost but lust after her thou mightst as vvell lie vvith her and soo too too many of thy seed do commit the act indeed vvhen if thou hadst a discerning betvvixt a thought and an act thou hadst not defiled thy soul as it is vvri ten When lust hath conceived it bringeth forth sin and sin when
and ways of the Lord are past finding out then thou wouldst forbear reasoning against the Creators prerogative power and yield thy self to be damned at his pleasure CHAP. 8. Shewing whether Cain was not the first devil and who are his seed or children and what devils those were that are so frequently spoken of in Scripture Reason WHat then dost thou say that Cain was the first devil and was there no evil spirit before Cain and if so prove that Cain is called a devil Faith From the divine spirit of the Lord of glory I affirm as before is proved that the angels were the first sensible living formes that ever were created and that reprobate angel as I have said dissolved into seed in the womb of Eve and there conceived into flesh blood and bone her first-born Cain yea the first devil and father of the damned so that against thee and all thy seed I say there was no other devil before Cain and that thou mayest know Cain is called a devil read these Scriptures Not as Cain which was of that wicked one and slew his brother Again it is written He that soweth the good seed is the son of man and the field is the world and the good seed are the children of the kingdom and the tares are the children of the wicked one and the enemy that soweth them is the devil Again Ye are of your father the devil John ● 44 and the lusts of your father ye will do he hath been a murtherer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there was no truth in him when he speaketh a lye he speaketh of his own for he is a lyar and the father thereof Now then what sayest thou was not Cain the first murthering lying man that ever was born of a woman Reason I have read in Scripture that there are evil angels or devils living in the Ayr and a devil amongst them called Beelzebub the prince of devils now I judge the devil is of such an invisible spirit that he is here there and every where and so can infuse evil thoughts into man and man cannot see the devils that tempts him Faith If this be as thou sayest what need any man trouble himself with the least fear of eternal death whatsoever wickedness is committed by him For I say if any man be tempted to evil by any devil but what is in his own nature onely that devil or evil spirit is to be eternally damned and the man to be set free and if sin issued not from mans uncleane reason or lyng imagination within him how is it possible that any man should be so tormented as thy seed are with inward burnings through a secret fear of eternal sufferings rising in them from the guilt of former evils committed against the light of conscience Now if it were possible for thee to know that the subtility of the prince of the ayr that rules in the hearts of children of disobedience was thy own imaginary reason or evil spirit that is the prince of all airy disputes concerning God devil angels heaven hell eternal glory or shame to come then thou wouldest see the truth of what I speak Reason What then dost thou say there never was is nor shall be no other devil but men and women and if so from whence comes that devilish nature in man and whether all have not the devilish nature in them and if so how shall any man escape damnation Faith As unto this thy Question I answer as aforesaid There never was no devil till the angel became a man-child of flesh blood and bone and that evil nature ever since hath generated in all the sons and daughters of Adam since his fall both reason and faith lay hid in that seed that conceived in the womb So that I say as Adam and Eve the womb of all living had both reason and faith in them so of necessity it must follow that all that are begotten or generated by them must needs partake of both natures so that I affirm that all the righteous as the wicked have the devils nature in them and yet the seed of the woman shall escape damnation Reason What then dost thou say that the devils have faith in them and yet shall be damned and the true believers have reason in them and yet shall be saved Now there being both seeds in one as the other how comes it that all are not either damned or saved certainly faith being as thou sayest of the nature of God then that faith in the devils must return to God again Faith I say Gain the father of all devils had faith in him as all his children have at this day as it is written touching the four seeds speaking of them that hath the seed sown on a Luke 8 13 rock when they hear they receive the word with joy and these having no root which for a while believe and in time of temptation fall away And it is written the devils believe and tremble Jam. 2 19 so that if thou were not stone-blind thou mightest see that there is no other devil but men and women and that faith in them doth cause many secret feares of damnation and yet that faith in them shall never return to God nor they themselves saved for this I know that faith that is in the seed of the serpent shall die with them and rise with them for the devils shall rise all reason and no faith or shall not be capable to ascend to glory when on the contrary the blessed of the Lord all their Faith in their life time out-topped reason by which he came to the knowledge of God so that at his death his reason shall dye with him insomuch that at the Resurrection he shall rise all Faith and no Reason so shall be able to ascend to glory Reason What then shall become of natural fools and children that understand neither Faith nor Reason shall they all be damned if they be of the Serpents seed Faith From an unerring Spirit I speak it there is neither child nor fool that dies uncapable of the breach of the Law that shall be damned so that herein the Justice and Mercy of God appears that as he will damn whom he will so he will damn none unjustly therefore I say let them be children or fools though the seed of the Serpent yet they shall be raised to the glory their father had before his fall viz. the estate of the Angels Reason If there be no other Devil but Cain and his generation of men and women What Devils were then those from these Ma● 4. 1. Scriptures where it is written Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the Wilderness to be tempted of the Devil which Devil taketh him up into the holy City c. again it is Mark 5. 2. written Satan entered into Judas c. and it is written Out of Mary Magdelen Christ cast out seven Devils with many hundred