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A26776 An answer to (vindicate the cause of the nick-named Quakers of such scandalls and untruths as is falsly cast upon them in a lying pamphlet, otherwise called) A discourse concerning the Quakers set out by T.L., or, as I understand the signification of the letters, Tho.? Ledger / by Geo. Baiteman. Baiteman, George. 1653 (1653) Wing B1094; ESTC R4254 26,089 36

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have both this Author and all other of his order to understand what shall be said concerning Ordinances As for that which is an Ordinance of God we have commands for the observing of the same And one of his chiefe and greatest Ordinances is his Sonne Christ one with himselfe Acts 10. 42. and in as much at he would have us obedient to that Ordinance he hath given out his Command To love the Lord our God with all our heart c. and beleeve in his Sonne Jesus Christ whom he hath sent Now the fulfilling of these commands in being obedient to that Ordinance it is out of the compasse of the power of every man and therefore God in stouping to the weakenesse of men hath given out other inferiour Ordinances as Rules for men while they are in their weakenesse and those Ordinances are within the power of the creature man to be observed as Reading Hearing Praying Baptizing Breaking of Bread c. Yet in these inferiour Ordinances I would have men to be so wise as to understand the ground and intent or the cause and effect of these Ordinances It will be found that sinne is the cause or ground of all Laws or Ordinances For the Law was added because of transgression Gal. 3. 19. And the Law is made for the ungodly 1. Tim. 1. 9. And Gods intent in giving out Laws and Ordinances is to be as a Line or Rule untill the effect be brought to passe viz. that a man be brought into that condition by walking by these Rules of the knowledge of himselfe and his owne weakenesse and the weakenesse of all those Laws and Ordinances that so the Soule may be made ●it to close with that which is the chiefe Ordinance of all and the soule once being truely brought to live under obedience of the chiefe Ordinance all those inferiour Ordinances is of little use For there is a time for every thing a time to Plant and a time to plucke up that which was Planted For the Law was added because of transgressions so is all Ordinances But the Law maketh nothing perfect Heb. 7. 29. no more doth the inferiour Ordinances But when the Promised Seed is come the Law hath no more jurisdiction over man and when that which is perfect is come then that which is imperfect is done away The Law and Ordinances are not perfect but imperfect and yet not imperfect but perfect But marke well what I say in defining my selfe for the Law or any of Gods Ordinances hath a perfection in them but their perfection tends to death by reason of the sinne that is in us and the greatest perfection that is in any Law or Ordinance is but to bring man to be perfectly made senceable of the sinne and selfenesse that is in him And when man is brought thus farre Laws and Ordinances is but of little use for further man cannot be brought by them and so their perfection is at an end and what soule soever findeth not this to be true in observing of Ordinances may take it for granted that he hath not been faithfull in walking close by the rule of the Ordinances or otherwise the Angell of darkenesse hath playd that soule a tricke of which it is little capable and so raiseth some certaine sweetnesse in the soule out of the walking in these Ordinances and the false fiend maketh the soule to beleeve that to be in comes of Christ when it is nothing else but a life raised out of that whose nature is alwayes to produce death and when the false fiend hath got power to worke this worke no marvaile if such soules cry up Ordinances so fast and cry downe any appearance of God in others who are let see and led out from such delusions but I let such passe with the saying of the Prophet Thou hast wearied thy selfe in the greatnesse of thy wayes yet saidest thou not there is no hope thou hast found the life of thine hands and therefore thou art not grieved Isay 57. 10. In every soule which is rightly carried on into that which is the chiefe good it will be truely made appeare that the perfection of Laws and Ordinances is fulfilled in bringing it into a perfect death and the imperfection of Laws and Ordinances will appeare in that they cannot restore the pure life to the soule but that proceedeth from another Fountaine viz. the chiefe Ordinance and when that which is chiefe and supreame is come that which is inferiour is out of date with that soule and so it is made to live in that which is chiefe above that which is inferiour for these inferiour Ordinances are but Childrens Tutors in their minority untill the time appointed of the Father though Children may sometimes for want of knowledge be led out to love their tutors better then their Father yea and thinke both their Fathers and all other enemies that would seeme to seperate them and their Tutors though it were to carry them to live in the bosome of thei● naturall Fathers but these are but the foolish thoughts of Children and the Apostle was such a one at sometime himselfe but when he grew up to be a man he put away childish things meaning whatsoever was inferiour to the living in that which was the chiefe Ordinance even the love of God in Christ or Christ made truely knowne to his soule and was the Apostle condemned for saying so or dare any judge or question his light that led him into that condition or who dare say that he was in an error when he counted all his religious walking by the rules as dung and drosse Phil. 3. or who dare say that he was guided by a false light when he counted Ordinances but as shaddowes and reproved the people for being subject to such things Col. 2. 20. But you may say That these was Ordinances Instituted in the time of the Law but now we live under Gospel-Ordinances and therfore none may live above them To which I say The Ordinances under the Law had their time and pointed out that which was the end viz. Christ appearing in the Flesh and there they ended and the Ordinances under the Gospel hath their time and their end also and that is when Christ appeareth in the spirits of men for he is the end of all Ordinances whatsoever to them who live in him and he in them But you may say That Beleevers in the Primitive time made use of Gospel-Ordinances whose Example it behooveth all men to follow To which I say it was meet they should doe so at sometime especially when they were in their minority in beleeving and so for all young Christians For as I said before there is a time for every thing but even in the Primitive time there was degrees of Christians some Children some young-men some old-men or Fathers and it was the wisedome of the Apostle to frame his discourse and behaviour to every ones condition and to feed Children with Childrens meate and to