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A34470	A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was	Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659.	1656 (1656)	Wing C6094; ESTC R215454	85,329	113

A BLOW at the SERPENT OR A GENTLE ANSWER FROM Maidston Prison to appease WRATH Advancing it self against Truth and Peace at ROCHESTER Together with the work of four daies DISPUTES in the Cathedral of Rochester in the Countie of Kent betweene several Ministers and Richard Coppin Preacher there to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear and much rejoyced at the way of Truth and Peace he Preached at the fame whereof the Ministers in those parts began to ring in their Pulpits saying This man Blasphemeth to deter their Parishioners from hearing him Whereupon arose the Disputes at which were some Magistrates some Officers and Souldiers peaceable and well-minded and very many people from all parts adjacent before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained The whole matter written by the Hearers on both sides Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the TRUTH in the love of it By Richard Coppin now in Maidston Prison for the Witness of Jesus Twenty five Articles since brought against him by the Ministers as Blasphemie and his Answers to them how he was committed without Examination and by whom Rev. 2. 10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer for behold the Devil shall cast some of you into Prison that ye may be tryed and you shall have tribulation but be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a Crown of life London Printed by Philip Wattleworth and are to be sold by William Larnar at the Black-moor neer Fleet-Bridge 1656. The Epistle to the Reader Friends and Brethren BE it known to you all that know me and can in any measure witnesse with me the hidden mystery of God and of the Father and of Christ which is Christ in you the Hope of Glory how that according to the measure received I have been faithful in the acknowledgment of this mystery whereby your hearts might be comforted and you knit together in love unto a full assurance of the understanding of this mystery in your selves an 〈…〉 discover and lay open to you the loose sandy and rotten foundations and buildings of all mens pretended Religions in forme and not in power as things below Jesus Christ to have an end which hath beene my work in the Lord and to make knowne that Rock the Lord Jesus as the true sound and unmoveable foundation of our Religion and undefiled laid by God the Father from all eternity as that which will stand and indure for all men to rest upon walk in and be saved by which things to declare I have not been partial in towards God nor towards man but have given to each one his due both as they are one and as they are distinguisht that is first for God as God to be all in all in every thing to every creature of mankind manifest in due time as to himself he ever was is and will be and for man as man to be nothing but a poore worme a weak empty passive nothing creature as he ever was is and should be and to have all strength wisdome and fulnesse of knowledge and understanding in life and glory with that one Almighty God the all of all things And in which work the Lord hath been with me to support me to make sweet pleasant and delightful unto me all his wayes of sufferings persecutions and trialls for the truth through which the enemies thereof are confounded and now last of all my present imprisonment all which are things that accompany truth in the manifestation thereof to men and to the advancement of it self over all its enemies by discovering them in the way of their opposition against the truth where they are taken in their owne Net and destroyed For the Devill was never knowne to be a Devill and to be cast out as a Devill till he made war with Christ and his Seed and seeking to be something became nothing was cast out of heaven to the earth that is all his ways and actions was made appear to be but earthly sensual and devillish as having no part in Christ and so was cast out of heaven and as with him so with all in him that are found Fighters against God and that act in the way of the Devil against the appearances of truth by the Lord Jesus which in those following discourses you will find to be acted by those who set themselves in malice against me to betray me and to quench the appearances of truth which had been delivered by me for which they in their Pulpits did often revile me as a Blasphemer a devil telling the people their own empty pues would rise in judgment against them for coming from them unto me wishing confusion to that power that should tolerate such Doctrine by which the love of God to all men appeared and which in these Disputes they opposed against me contrary to the practise of a Minister of Christ but the Lord still appeared beyond the expectation of man in which he did inable me with faithfulnesse and boldnesse to make known to the people this mystery of the hidden wisdome and counsel of God for the salvation of mankind in the Lord Jesus though for the same I my selfe now am a Prisoner but the truth which cannot be imprisoned is free which is my joy and Crowne of rejoycing and which in due time will be the joy of those that oppose it though it be now their sorrow when it shall have made them free as it hath done me by destroying the enmity that is in them against it And now my friends brethren you that know this truth and are set free by it I desire you may be an ornament to it in the exercise of it for which I leave you all to the Lord and rest together with you in the Lord who only is able to make us stand farewell Richard Coppin From my Prison-house at Maidston in Kent Feb. 12 To Mr. Richard Coppin on his Sufferings by some Priests of Kent REnowned Friend bear up thy mind Thy light it is profound It will Sin Hell and Devils bind And all their cheats confound What though the * Chimmerims conspire As alwayes they have done Against Gods life which is as fire To burn their Babel down But go thou on for truth contend And Christian liberty Though blinded minds against it bend Yet God at last shall free Vs from the hellish snares of Priests And formall Whiners too Although they now do what they lists That rope will them undoe For surely they themselves will hang If they are let alone For most they do is but to bang Themselves but when they moan Who shall them pity or respect Reward reward them double Who nought but cruelty assert And fill the world with trouble But thou brave soule whose life is love To all the whole Creation Go on be brave thy mind 's above Preach still the great Salvation And Christ within the life of all That is or hath a

on him and he by offering it up as taking it to himself and by his being slain to live in it as a Lamb without blemish our sinful nature is redeemed from sin to holinesse by Jesus Christ the incorruptible seed living in it and by which we are redeemed to the same holy Priesthood with him to be as Lambs without blemish in him Captain Harrison Mr. French You may do well to one answer another briefly or else you have a great advantage one of another and it will be more advantage to the Hearers French Whereas Mr. Coppin was pleased the last Dispute that out of hell there was redemption and he brought the words of the Prophet David when he saith Thou wilt not leave my soule in hell nor suffer thy holy one to see corruption This is not meant hell but the grave for hell hath severall acceptations sometimes it is taken for the grave as in this place and not of hell as you would have it another Scripture you brought in Amos the 9. 2. in which I am of my Brother Rosewells opinion and not yours for that doth not prove redemption out of hell but a coming to judgment soule and body at the last day to receive the sentence of eternall damnation in hell where the worm never dies from whence there is no redemption Coppin Prove that out of hell there is no redemption your Brother Rosewell could not French I prove it Matthew 25. These shall goe into everlasting punishment but the righteous into life eternall Coppin That proves it not for they may goe into that which is everlasting punishment and yet come forth French I deny it though you say the word everlasting hath an end and that Scripture which you brought in Gen. 17. concerning the first Covenant that it was everlasting and had an end when the second came I deny for it was all but one Covenant and everlasting is for ever but I am sorry to see so many people here deluded with such errors Coppin Sir you say but what your Brother Rosewell have said alreadie which I then answer'd and you understand not for the first Everlasting Covenant as to the conditions thereof which was the work of the Law had an end as to us when God made with us a New Covenant upon better conditions without end though to him the first and the last is all one and where you have the word everlasting or for ever go single there it may somtimes be said to last but for a time age or dispensation but where it is from everlasting to everlasting and for ever and ever there it is world without end French I say there is no end of the punishment in hell for the wicked where the worm never dies nor the fire goes out but the wicked persons of men shall be tormented eternally in the flames suffering the vengeance of eternal fire Coppin I denie that men shall be eternallie in it though the fire it self be as eternal as God for God himself is this consuming fire when it meets with that which is to be burnt and this fire is to try everie mans works of what sort it is and he being refined as having all his sins burnt up within him by the spirit of burning he shall come out of the fire of Gods anger as one purged and made white yet the fire remains the same still in it self as in God and man while in it is said to suffer the vengeance of eternal fire as of God so long as there is any thing of dross wood hay or stubble in man for the fire to take hold of till all be consumed as the Sea it is alwaies full of water and never emptie and man may go into the water to wash himself and after come forth yet the sea remains still the same as before as that which man was in but now is forth so is this eternal fire which everie man is to pass through before he is refined and it were well with you if this fire had laid hold on you for then you would be the purer and the sooner come forth French I do not believe that he that is once in it shall ever come forth for out of hell there is no redemption and 't is horrible blasphemie to say it Coppin You have no Scripture to prove it and I see you understand it not but I prove that David while he lived was shut up in it for somtime and could not come forth the wrath of God lay so hard upon him as you may read in Psalmes 88. beginning at the 6. verse Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit in darknesse in the deep thy wrath lieth hard upon me and thou hast afflicted me with all thy waves thou hast put away mine asquaintance far from me thou hast made me an ab●mination unto them I am shut up and I cannot come forth This was Davids hell here on earth French But hell in some places is taken for the grave and some for hell and David speaks of the grave Coppin What do you mean by grave French Why the grave of earth that mens bodies are buried in Coppin But David was in this grave when he said it and y 〈…〉 in his bodie on the earth and not in the grave as you call so therefore pray let me ask you one question If hell in some places be taken for the grave as you say it is though hell and grave are but differing terms in Scripture pray what is it taken for in Hos 13. 14. where God saith I will ransome them from the power of the grave I will redeem them from death O death I will be thy plagues O grave I will be thy destruction repentance shall be hid from mine eyes Pray tell me what is it meant here French I am not minded to tell you Coppin Then 't is because you cannot therefore I will tell you by the grave is here meant hell which God will destroy in redeeming us from it For saith he I will ransome them from the grave I will redeem them from death O death I will be thy plagues O grave I will be thy destruction God will destroy that death and hell which destroyed us which we through fear thereof were all our life time subject to bondage for they came together and shall end together as two companions Revel. 20. 14. and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire this is the second death and the last enemie to be destroyed but what this lake of fire and brimstone is the Prophet Isaiah tells you Isa. 30. last Tophet is ordained of old yea for the King it is prepared he hath made it deep and large the pile thereof is fire and much wood and the breath of the Lord like a stream of brimstone doth kindle it This Tophet is the Lake or Vallie of Slaughter prepared only for the King the fire thereof is God himself our God is a consuming fire the fuel

oyntment Isa. 1. 6. So that before the coming of Christ into man to binde up his wounds to annoint him with oile and to sanctifie him he is polluted throughout Ezek. 16. Rosewell Rub your Brazen-face and go on Coppin If the nature of man had beene holie before Christ took it on him then Christ need not have come to make it holie but because it was polluted with sinne therefore did Christ come and take part of the same sinfull nature that he by living in that nature might sanctifie and cleanse it all and thereby present the whole nature of man pure spotlesse and blamelesse to the Father making it to be accepted in him the beloved Jesus for without him there was none righteous no not one but all have sinned and come short of the glory of God And he hath concluded all men under sin and unbelief that he might have mercy upon all and this mercie is manifested in Heb. 2. 14. That forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death which is the Devill and deliver them who through feare of death were all their life time subject to bondage For before Christ did take our flesh on him the Devill and Sinne did dwell in it but because that men should not for ever remaine so under the Dominions of sin death hell and the devil God himself did manifest himself to live in our nature or sinful flesh that he might destroy both his and our enemies even sin death hell and the devill in our nature which devil had no part in him 1 John 3. 8. For this purpose was the Son of God manifested that he might destroy the works of the devil without which no man could live to see the face of God in righteousnesse as 't is written We must needs die and are all like water spilt upon the ground which could not be gathered up again And God without respect of persons did find out this way in his Son to redeem us again to himselfe even by his being manifest in our flesh yea in our sinful flesh not that he was that flesh but did live in it to destroy the pollutions of it and so present it to his Father as blamelesse and as holie as himself For he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them Brethren saying I will declare thy Name unto my Brethren in the mid'st of the Church will I sing praise unto thee And again I will put my trust in thee and beh●ld I and the children which God hath given me are with thee Heb. 2. 11. Rosewell Cannot every one read this as well as you Coppin Pray interrupt me not I shall yet go on verse 17. 18. He was in all things made like unto his Brethren that he might be a mercifull and faithfull High-Priest to offer up for the sinnes of the people which till he had taken them on him in our likeness he could not doe and in that he himselfe hath suffered for them being tempted he is able to succour them that are tempted but if our nature were holy before Christ took it on him to what end did he take it to suffer in it and yet I say this Jesus which did take our nature on him and still lives in it now in us and will also in those that shall come after us was not himselfe sinfull but righteous and the sinfulness of it was ours and is known onely to us and not to him living in us for he knew no sin and yet he in our nature did beare all oursins and it was the sins of all men that did crucifie him which he did beare in their nature as his own body on the Tree for the same nature that sinned did suffer for sin and not another nature and he being both God and man as having the nature of both so he had power to die and to live againe to lay downe his life and to take it up and so he became our Holy High-Priest to offer up us and our nature in himselfe and his nature by one offering to the Father to reconcile us to God when he offer'd up himselfe once for all And now answer me one question What High-Priest is that spoken of in Heb. 5. 1. 2. 3. And that you may know he is there said to have compassion on the ignorant and on them that are out of the way for that he himselfe also is compassed about with our infirmities and what High-Priest is this say you Then answered one Mr. Wife a Minister It is spoken of Jesus Christ Coppin It seems you cannot answer your selfe you must have some other to answer for you Rosewell I will fetch one Oyster-Wife from Billingsgate shall answer you Coppin Well you denie not this answer made for you concerning this Scripture in Heb. 5. that the High-Priest there spoken of was Christ which if it be as you say and not I then read the next words ver. 3. and by reason thereof he ought as for the people so also for himself to offer for sins Rosewell You have confest confest what I charged you with Coppin I have only read to you the words of the Scripture Also if Christ be our Suretie to pay our debt as in Heb. 7. 22. then the debt became his as well as ours which he paid for himself as for us after he had taken it to him and so he may be said to offer for his own sins also as for the peoples according to these Scriptures Isaiah 53. 12. He was numbered with the transgressors Rosewell Now I desire all to take notice and they may plainly see you are a Blasphemer I shall now follow you in your Wile-Goose-Chase He that shall pretend Scripture that Christ did offer for his own sins as also for the peoples he is a Blasphemer but you have ergo Coppin I have not pretended Scripture but have proved all things that I have said plainlie by Scripture and concerning that in the Heb. I did ask you what was meant by that High-Priest and because you did not answer your self some other bodie did for you saying it was Christ Rosewell But you did affirm that Christ in our nature did offer for his owne sins as also for the peoples and how can there be salvation in him that must offer for his owne sins therefore all that heare you must conclude this to be high blasphemy against Jesus Christ and it is dangerous damnable doctrine Coppin You say it is dangerous and so it is to you because it is contrary to your doctrine and doth overthrow it but it is not dangerous to the truth but to that which is a lye and that cannot stand before it and therefore you raile against it because you can no way overthrow it Rosewell I say he that saith

which I know and which you say is a mysterie Secondly consider the death you are to be raised from and that is the death that all men died in the state of the first Adam and do still die by reason of sin from which death all shall be raised to life in Christ the second Adam Now the wages of sin is death and that death which sin doth bring on man is the same death that Christ doth raise him from For you who were dead in sins and trespasses hath he quickned and if ye be risen with Christ seek the things which are above where Christ siteth at the right hand of God which is spoken in the Presentence and not in the Future and cannot be meant of the rising of our corporal bodies after laid in the grave which I question whether those that talk so much of that do yet know this spiritual Resurrection which I hereby declare to you all and if any one can tell us of another Resurrection of the same body of flesh blood and bones again as it was let him declare that as I have declared this for I denie nothing which by any other can be proved but the Scripture saith That flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption therefore blessed and happy are all they which have their part in this first Resurrection for of such the second death hath no power but they live and raign with Christ Thirdly As there is a bodie to be raised so there is also a bodie to be destroyed and that is the bodie of sin and death which is to die and no more to live For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousnesse that is of Christ And in Rom 6. there is a Resurrection from sin to newnesse of life spoken of by the Apostle that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so should we walk before him in newnesse of life for if we have been planted together in the likenesse of his death we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the bodie of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin Rosewell 2 Tim. 2. 18. But there were false Prophets among them as there are false Teachers among you which say the Resurrection is past already and so bring in damnable errors to overthrow the saith and we see there were some in the Apostles daies which did deny a corporal Resurrection Coppin Do you instance that Scripture as to a corporal Resurrection which speaks nothing of it you do add to that Scripture the word corporal and you know the punishment of him that addeth thereto or diminisheth therefrom Again I do not say the Resurrection is past already for it is not yet come to you nor many more therefore your Scripture is to no purpose against me for I say it is to come as well as alreadie come and that it shall continue until the Day of Judgment be ended or till all that shall be are raised and set free in this spiritual Resurrection from death hell or the grave in which they lie imprisoned and buried by reason of sin but the Sadduces who denie the Resurrection hold there is neither Angel nor Spirit and that do not I. Rosewell I shall prove the Resurrection of the body from Job 19. Where Job saith He shall see God with those eyes at the last day 1 Cor. 15. Paul saith If the dead rise not then is our preaching vain and your faith is vain and you are yet in your sins And Job saith Though wormes destroy his bodie yet in this flesh in this bodie shall I see God which doth clearlie prove a corporal Resurrection but I shall give him rope till night Coppin Add not to the Scripture for there is no such bodily Resurrection spoken of as you declare 1 Cor. 15. 12. so on pray see friends Paul doth not speak of a corporal Resurrection but tells them of the Resurrection of the Dead and saith That if Christ be not risen then all our Preaching and Believing is in vain and we are yet in our sins Clearlie intimating that the Resurrection of Christ doth assure them of their being raised from sin to walk with God in newnesse of life For saith he you are sown a natural body but you are raised a spiritual body and a spirituall bodie is not flesh and bones therefore not the same bodie as you say it is and would have it to be Rosewell There shall be eyes hands and feet Coppin That there shall be eyes hands and feet you are yet to prove Rosewell Job saith He shall see God with those eyes and that in this his flesh he shall see God Againe the Scripture saith That they which are alive and them which are dead shall be raised and all of them shall meet the Lord only this corruptible must put on incorruptible and this mortall must put on immortalitie Again the bodies of Believers are the Temples of the Holy Ghost 1 Cor. 6. and the Temples of Jesus Christ therefore the same bodies shall be raised at the last day Coppin You also bring Job to prove a Corporal Resurrection of flesh blood and bones and that this Resurrection and seeing God with those eyes was not to be till after the death of his visible bodie as you say but I say here is a mysterie and a spiritual sense to be understood in these words Job 19. where he saith I know my Redeemer liveth and that at the last day I shall s●e him stand upon the earth and though after my skin worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God whom I shall see for my selfe and mine eyes shall behold and not anothers though my reins be consumed within me But to understand this you must know how he is the Redeemer and when also what is meant by the last day and the earth which he shall stand upon and what eyes shall behold him c. Now his Redeemer was the Lord and did then live in Job though he knew it not that he should see him at the last day is a truth but what this last day was and the manner how he should see him that he knew not till the time came that he saw him in himselfe therefore you shall find that Job was then in darkness and under much affliction uttering words without knowledg for which he was reproved first by the Prophet Elihu secondlie by the Lord thirdlie he confest it first the Prophet reproved him Job 33. Chap. 35. 16. Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vaine he multiplieth words without knowledg Job 38. 1. 2. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsell by words without knowledg gird up now thy loynes like a

man for I will demand of thee and answer thou me And so he goes on to reprove Job of his ignorance of God and in Chap. 40. 3. Job answers the Lord and saith bebold I am vile what shall I answer thee I will lay my hand upon my mouth once have I spoken but I will not answer yea twice but I will proceed no further and in Chap. 42. 3. he acknowledges his error and ignorance of God and answers the Lord saying who is he that hideth counsell without knowledge therefore have I uttered that I understand not things too wonderfull for me which I knew not but now hear I beseech thee and I will speak I have often heard of thee by the hearing of the care but now mine eyes seeth thee wherefore I abhor my selfe in dust and ashes Thus did Job in his life time see the King the Lord of Hosts his Redeemer standing upon and was a conqueror of that earth the first Adam which he first lived in the Image of till the second Adam appeared as at the last day of the first Adam in him which he before said should come and wa● now come to him For now doe mine eyes see thee Rosewell Pray read a little further and ye shall find that God saith his freinds had not spoken right of him as his servant Job had done and again this cannot be meant of his seeing his Redeemer for now ●is 〈…〉 ynes and reines was not consumed Coppin 'T is true Job never spoke the things that was right of the Lord till he said Now doe mine eyes see thee and this his friends could not say for they had not seen the Lord as his servand Job had therefore though after his skin wormes had destroyed his body yet in his flesh he did see God this skin was the good esteem he had of his own righteousnesse the pride and glory of his own flesh which he was stripped of for boasting in it and so saith Job He hath stripped me of all my glory and taken the Crown from off my head and the body that must be destroyed was the body of sin and corruption which was within him and is in all men for a time while they live in the corrupt state of the old Adam and the wormes are the terrors of the troubled minde which as Troops of Robbers feeds upon the flesh of the earthly man and Job had many in his flesh For my flesh saith he is cloathed with Wormes my skin is broken and become loathsome the arrows of the Almighty sticks fast in me his Archers compasse me round about and he cleaveth my reins in sunder Here was the destruction of Jobs body in his life time all his comforts were taken from him and all those things were fulfilled upon him and appeared in him and yet saith he after all this I shall see my Redeemer and so he did fo● when through the manifestation of God to him his soul within him was revived his knowledge and understanding enlightened and his reins with the girdle of saith strengthened then saith he Now do mine eyes see thee and I am no more my self but a new man in thee for now is my change come therefore cannot be meant of the body after a naturall death as you say it is Robison Of all Religions this is most damnable to say there is no Resurrection of the body Coppin I denie not any thing which any man can prove to be true from Scripture Rosewell I prove a corporall Resurrection of our bodies from the example of Christs Resurrection of his Body Coppin That was a signe to us of our rising with Christ to a newness of life both toward God and man Rosewell I denie the Resurrection of Christs body to be a signe Coppin You say the corporal Resurrection of Christ is no sign and yet you say againe it doth signifie the Resurrection of our bodies but the Scripture saith not so but saith That like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newnesse of life and so will he change our vile bodies here and make them like unto his glorious bodie by subduing all things to himself in us which is the spiritualty and glory of our bodies Captain Smith We grant you that Coppin Then give me leave Christ being born of the Virgin Mary Was it also a signe to us or not Robison Was it but a signe to us and no substance C●ppin I doe not say so but I say it was a signe which I prove Isa. 7. 14. Therefore the Lord himselfe shall give you a signe behold a Virgin shall conceive and bear a Son and shall call his name Emanuel Now what did this signifie but that as the Virgin did bring forth Christ in our nature flesh blood and bones so should Christ bring forth himselfe in every one of us in Spirit and truth Gal. 4. 14. My little Children saith Paul of whom I travell in birth againe untill Christ be formed in you not as a bodie flesh and bones in us for that were to make many Christs as for every man one but he shall be formed in us in Spirit and power Rosewell I doe not believe but Christ is here said to be a signe but what is the thing signified that King Ahaz should overcome his enemies and that the Scepter should not depart from Juda till Shilo come Coppin That is till Christ come Spirituall in us or else what benefit is it to us to look back upon the birth and death of Christ as signes and doe not see the things signified For a wicked and adulterous generati●n seeketh after a signe and never looks on the thing signified which is the birth death and Resurrection of Christ in them which should all be made manifest in our mortall flesh and so saith Paul I doe always beare about in the bodie the dying also of the Lord Jesus that the life of Jesus might be made manifest in our bodie and now doe I rejoyce in my sufferings for you and do fill up the measure of the sufferings of Christ in my flesh for his bodies sake which is the Church whereof I Paul am made a Minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you to fullfill the word of God even the mysterie which hath been hid from all ages and now is made manifest to his Saints to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mysterie which is Christ in you the hope of glory CHAP. VIII The Mystery of the Trinity in relation to man of the state of Reprobation when how long and how ROsewell I desire you may go on How is Christ in you the hope of glory Coppin Tell me what do you mean by Christ and then I will tell you how he is Christ the hope of glorie in man Rosewell I do mean by Christ the Son of God

question is far fetcht and to little purpose and I shall answer you thus That those Ministers that do preach the Doctrine of Damnation telling people they are eternallie damned are no Gospel Ministers and do preach from an evil Spirit but Christ did not preach this Doctrine of Eternal Damnation to any for he did preach salvation to all men and the acceptable year of the Lord For he came not to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved Sanbroke Mat. 23. 14. Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites how will you escape the damnation of hell and therefore you shall receive the greater damnation Coppin Christ was then a fulfilling the Law which the Scribes and Pharisees did exercise upon the people as a burthen too heavie for them to bear for which several woes of damnation were pronounced against them and to be fulfilled upon them in that generation and Christ speaks not of eternal damnation but of degrees of damnation as of greater and lesser that should come upon them for their hypocrisie among the people and their not believing the glad tidings of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God which Christ told them was to be revealed in them and which would suddainlie come unto them yea them in that generation to whom damnation was then threatened and they hearing of this demanded of Christ the time when the Kingdome of God should come for which they then waited and hoped for and Christ answer'd and said The Kingdom of God comes not with observations neither shall they say lo here or lo there for behold the Kingdome of God is within you yea within you Scribes and Pharisees though you shut it up against your selves and others which many people also now do for which their judgment of long time lingereth not and their damnation slumbereth not but is so much the sooner and the greater unto them And therefore that forenamed place you quoted to prove the Doctrine of Damnation cannot be meant of eternal Damnation since he tells them The Kingdome of God is within them And this saith he is life eternal to know God the true God and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent therefore how doth this prove your Proposition you say they were finallie damned and yet Christ tells them the Kingdome of God was within them Sanbroke Were they Believers or Vnbelievers Coppin They were then Unbelievers not knowing the Kingdome of God to be within them and therefore did oppose it but your Schools will never teach you this lesson of knowing Christ within you which will confound all the wisdome and knowledge you there learn for in the School of men you learn the things of men but in the Schools of Christ the things of Christ and you shall never learn this mysterie of Christ in you till you become Christs Scholar Sanbroke How long doth this Damnation last on them Coppin So long as they do continue unbelievers Sanbroke You do not understand the Text Coppin You will never say that I or any man else do understand in but your selves unlesse they would understand it in your sense for you would have people learn no farther then you teach them but God will destroy all the teachings of men Sanbroke But if Christ did give his Ministers a Commission to preach Damnation then it is good and sound Doctrine so to do and they are not evil Spirits which do it as you do say Coppin But Christ did not give any such Commission to any of his Ministers that he sent forth to preach the Gospel to preach Damnation neither did they do it nor did I say so by them but by those that run and were not sent by him of which I also said somthing to this purpose in a book of mine called Truths Testimony from whence I suppose you had those words but produce but the book and I will warrant you there is an answer to it sufficient to prove it Sanbroke Indeed I had one of the books but I burnt it but to the Proposition Christ bids his Ministers preach the Gospel to every creature He that believes shall be saved and he that believes not shall be damned Coppin But pray mark you Christ doth bid his Discipies go into all the world and preach the Gospel to everie creature which is life and salvation to all by Christ and not damnation to any but salvation to everie creature and he that believes not this Doctrine hath damnation in himself alreadie and this Gospel was to be preached after Christ was risen from the dead and had compleatlie fulfilled the Law which before did condemn them Now saith he Go preach that Gospel of peace and of reconciliation to to everie creature in the world that God is in me reconciling them all to himself for now am I risen to be the life and light of all men and you are not to preach death and damnation but that I am come who is their life and salvation and this is their condemnation that I am come saith Christ and they believe it not or that this Gospel is preached and men receive it not And now do I question whether some of you have received this Gospel Commission from Christ yet or no and do preach the same Gospel for the same end after the same manner as they did for he bids his Disciples preach the Gospel which will save men and you preach the Law which will condemn men their salvation by Christ without works and you damnation without works they preach it to everie creature and freelie and you preach it but to some and for hire and so instead of preaching unitie peace and love amongst men you preach division wrath and eternal damnation which is no Gospel message and such are in no Gospel way have no Gospel Ministerie committed unto them and therefore no Commission from Christ to preach Rosewell If the Gospel be to be Preached to every creature then it must be Preached to stocks and stones for they are creatures Coppin Such things are not capable of hearing and receiving the sound thereof but to every man to every rationall creature the Gospel was to be Preached and is Preached and the sound thereof hath been heard amongst them to all the ends of the earth Sanbroke The time shall come that the Gospel shall be Preached to all men and they shall all heare of this Gospel Coppin But when shall they have it Preached say you I say 't is Preached to all the world already Sanbroke I deny it Coppin I prove it Col. 1. 6. The Gospel which we Preach saith the Apostle is the same which is come unto you as it is in all the world and saith he be not removed away from the hope of the Gospel which you have heard and which was Preached to every creature in the world which is under Heaven whereof I Paul am made a Minister yea of that Gospel which

it not to them that are free to do it though here were none of them baptized by Christ for he baptized not but his Disciples and they baptized no children but onely such persons as would then be under Johns administration of water which was onely to last Johns time and then to be made void and people did thinke then as some doe now that unlesse their children did recieve baptisme they shall not inherit the Kingdome of God therefore would say Oh give them that they come for lest they should die before they had it Now saith Christ who will forbid a little child that he should not inherit the Kingdome of God I say let such come to me for of such is the Lords Kingdom and they come to me as to their Saviour their Lord and Master therefore forbid them not though they were never baptized with water for they are subjects already fited for the Kingdome of God as a Kingdome of righteousness meekness truth and love having in them no unrighteousness as pride lying and hatred but they like Christ doe know noe sin being not borne in sin till they have the knowledg thereof and oh that all men were become such children free from all sin and so receive the Kingdome of God as a little child Againe he took them up in his armes laid his hands on them and blessed them and this he did to let the people know that they are the blessed of the Lord and that they are within the compass of his armes as being never out but always lodging in his bosom of goodness mercy love and favour as being heires of his Kingdome And of this arme God saith all the day long have I stretthed it forth to a disobedient and gainsaying people to bring them to this state of a little child into meekness and love from sin and rebellion and when this hand of the Lord shall thus come to be laid on any of you then shall you be as a weaned child from the brest of your owne haughtie and laughtie Spirit by which you were nursed up into the state of rebellion against God and of this the Prophet saith who hath belived our report and to whom is the arme of the Lord revealed speaking of Jesus Christ the arme of God that took from us all our sins and laid upon himselfe as 't is written he hath laid on him the iniquities of us all and by which arme Daniel when he lay with his face on the ground was raised up upon the knees and palmes of his hands and from thence to stand upright upon his feet and when he knew it was by the hand of the Lord he stood trembling that is all things of himselfe trembled in himselfe when he stood upright in the Lord Now when this hand is laid on you and doe but touch you the first and second time which is the first and second coming of Christ in manifestation to the soule then shall you stand upright in the Lord and be for none but the Lord and saith Christ feare not for I have the keyes of the house of David which is Heaven and I have the keyes of death and of hell and I can open and none can shut and shut and none can open therefore feare none of those things which thou shalt suffer for behold saith Christ I know thy works and tribulation and the divell shall cast some of you into prison that you may be tryed and you shall have tribulation for a time but be thou faithfull unto death and I will give thee a Crowne of life therefore feare nor for I having the keyes will not suffer you to be shut up any longer then I please but will break open prisons and prison doores saith the Lord and all this is done by his laying his hand upon us and blessing of us therefore henceforth judg charitably of all men in all conditions and no more judge any childe to condemnation that knowes no sin nor Devil but rather this that the Lords mercy is over all his works and will lose nothing of his own Rosewell I desire to have no more to do with this man you see I hope what his aime and end is in all his discourse You say we would hide knowledge from the people but I wish all men did know as much of good as I doe provided I did know no lesse then I doe and I have taken a great deal of pains in my private Studies and publique endeavours for that knowledge I have and if I know any easier way I would spare my paines You labour to bring all men off from our principles of Religion therefore know there is many hundreds of able Ministers and thousands of good Christians which are furnished with arguments against you and all the Jesuites in the world for my part I am not worthy to carry their books after many of them and I say you are a shame to the world and the Turks and Papists may laugh at us to see our division in our Church and I would not have this Auditorie juggled out of their Faith and if any man hath given any incouragement to such a Blasphemer as this is let them be humbled for it and do so no more and I shall Preach against it to my utmost endeavour for he doth overthrow all Ordinances of Baptisme and Sacraments which our Antient Fathers have used which he saith are not necessarie to salvation since Christ and so is an enemy to God Psalme 21. 8. I will end with this Thine hand shall finde out thy enemies that hate thee thou shalt make them as a fiery Oven in the time of thine anger the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath and the fire of hell shall devoure them CHAP. XIX Of Baptism how man is a fiery Oven of the fire and fuel that is to be burnt the Oven cleansed man living in it and how COppin That which I declare concerning Baptisme is that they have no ground from the Lord Jesus Christ by precept nor example to baptize with water Gaman a Anabaptist Let me speak now a word or two because you deny all Water-Baptisme Coppin Pray let me make an end with one first and then if you have any thing to say speak on but I say Baptisme with water upon any subject hath no ground from Christ whether by example nor command to be used since the Death of John being then fulfil'd by Christ and yet I denie it to none whose tender conscience doth desire it for I am become all to all that I win them to the truth as it is in Jesus through my love to them and the manifestation of Christ in them Rosewell Capt. Smith Pray let 's have done Robison I think you will never have done Coppin So far as you speak I must answer and there is one thing more therefore pray have patience for I must answer to this Scripture by him hinted in Psalm 21. 8. 9.

burne till it hath burnt up all the foundations and buildings of men in their several forms and Religions that are not founded upon Christ the Chief Corner Stone and this will be a Chaos and confusion and an end of the world to men And now what are you and what do you doe when you seek to imprison or banish this truth away from you which you know not and to stop those cleansing floods which the Lord hath opened in drie places for you and to quench those fierie coales which the Lord hath kindled amongst you to refine you you do but add a greater encrease to the truth for all that which is ungodlie selfish and wicked within you that hath opposed the truth shall be imprisoned by it and drowned with it yea it shall be burnt with the fire and melted with the heat until all be consumed and you dissolved into the nothingnesse of all things below God where you are all lost and you again swallowed up into his own Almightinesse where you are found in your true and everlasting Centre that sends you forth and takes you in at his pleasure And this is the begining and end of the world and of all your fighting against the truth to be lost and to be found to be and not to be and therefore look about you you that talk so much of the end of the world when Christ shall come do you know this end and when it shall be I will tell you my experience it is to your end and at your end that Christ doth come and therefore would you prolong his coming for his coming in will be your going out overturn overturn his rising will be your falling and his life will be your death for you are a lie and he is the truth therefore stay Lord Jesus and come not yet say you that know not his coming to be in you stay till the time of the end of the world which you would not have to be yet because your end must come with it but come Lord Jesus come quicklie say I and all those that know his coming to be in them that the world of sin death hell and all Devillishnesse may have an end in all men as in them that there may be no more wrath nor hatred no more fighting nor quarrelling disputing nor contending for the truth nor against the truth but that heaven and earth righteousnesse and truth may meet together and imbrance each other in all men and at all times places and things whatsoever according to the word and will of the Lord that there may be no more any thing at a distance neither truth nor error light nor darknesse day nor night but that in the evening there may be light and so but one day known to the Lord over all the earth one King and his name one But in the mean time you have here following Articles against the truth and answers for the truth The twenty five Articles called Blasphemy brought against Richard Coppin by the Ministers of Kent and for which he was sent to Prison with his Answers to them COppin First I denie all their Articles to be spoken by me as they are here laid down by them they having much abused my words and also my sense by their adding and diminishing yet for satisfaction to many people of the truth of that which may be in them I shall give a brief answer to them according to the plain sense of Scripture and the manifestations of God to men here on earth which so far as I ever knew in my self I alwaies declared and hid nothing of the counsel of God made known to men but for what God will do by man at the end of this life beyond what is revealed I leave also with him till he shall more reveal it Article 1. That all the Scriptures is but an Allegory that is all said he both Law and Gospel and that it is but an Allegory said he it is clear from Gal. 4. 24. Answer The whole Scripture of Law and Gospel the son of the Bond-woman and the Son of the Free-woman are the two Covenants in an Allegorie so saith Paul Gal 4. 24. which things saith he are an Allegory for those are the two Covenants The Allegorie is in this , Abraham had two sons the one by a Bond-maid the other by a Free-woman the Bond-maid is the Law or first Covenant the Free-woman is the Gospel or second Covenant in a mysterie and these also are the two Jerusalems Sina and Sion the one which is below as in bondage the other which is above as in freedome which are also the two mothers of the children after the flesh and the children after the spirit they who live by the works of the Law under the conditions of the first Covenant and so not all their sins to be forgiven them are the sons of the Bond-woman after the flesh and are in bondage with their mother to this day persecu●ing the sons of the Free-woman born after the spirit that lives by free grace and sees their sins pardoned Secondly the carnal mind of man is the son of the Bond-woman after the flesh minding the things of the flesh which is death the spiritual mind is the son of the Free-woman after the spirit minding the things of the spirit which is life for so it is written To be carnally mindad is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace and this son of the Bond-woman is to be cast out as no more to be remembred for he shall not be heir with the son of the free-woman for he understands not the things of the spirit of God but they are foolishnesse unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned but the spiritual man knoweth all things yea the deep things of God and therefore lives in God as in peace and freedome and is no longer in bondage Thus is the Scripture an Allegorie and a great Mysterie for great is the mysterie of godlinesse and saith Christ you erre not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God Article 2. That our Jesus took our defiled nature with sin and was a sinner in that nature Answer That Jesus Christ took on him our sinful nature and in it destroyed the sinfulnesse of it is a truth according to these Scriptures Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood Jesus Christ himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might also destroy him that had the power of death which is the Devil c. and God made Christ to be sin for us laid upon him the iniquities of us all and he did bear them in his own bodie on the Tree which is no blasphemie to say but that he should be a sinner in that nature I never said it neither do affirm as you would have it Article 3. That he was a cursed Goat for the Goats on the left hand