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A07966 An apology of English Arminianisme or A dialogue betweene Iacobus Arminius, professour in the Vniuersity of Leyden in Holland; and Enthusiastus an English Doctour of Diuinity and a great precisian. Wherein are defended the doctrines of Arminius touching freewill, predestination, and reprobation: the said doctrines being mantained & taught by many of the most learned Protestants of England, at this present time. Written by O.N. heertofore of the Vniuersity of Oxford.; Apology of English Arminianisme. O. N., fl. 1634. 1634 (1634) STC 18333; ESTC S119849 84,307 213

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