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B12207 The copy of a letter sent from an English gentleman, lately become a Catholike beyond the seas, to his Protestant friend in England in answere to some points, wherin his opinion was required, concerning the present busines of the Palatinate, & marriage with Spayne : and also declaring his reasons for the change of his religion. Crynes, N. 1622 (1622) STC 5742.7; ESTC S1070 15,353 106

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calumnies and slaunders and that they hold them not at all But it is a matter of state for English Ministers to make Catholikes and Catholike religion odious to the people matter of state I meane for themselues because their owne estate depends vpon their Protestant Religion that Religion being their trade they liue by But as touching the Masse and such points as they doe hould I haue had such proofes and reasons shewed me that I do not now maruell that the greatest and most potent part of Christendome still remayneth in that Religion and that diuers in France Germany and the Netherlandes aswell as in England do forsake Protestancy and other late and new risen opinions and returne vnto this ancient and vniuersall fayth of the Christian world Me thinkes I now heare you aske me where the Masse is found in Scripture But to this I may aske you all the Protestants in the world where they can shew me out of the Scripture after what manner the Apostles themselues did celebrate this Sacrament Christ instituted it at night and after supper in the same paued Parlour at the same table whereat he had supped occasioned thereunto by reason of the lytle tyme he had being from thence to goe into the garden of Gethsemani to make his prayers and preparation to his passiō That the Apostles celebrated also in paued Parlours at supping tables at night after they had supped and not in the morning and being fasting that they had no women present at it seeing Christ had none no not his own Mother notwithstāding her great worthynes In what manner they tooke the bread and blessed it what speeches action or ceremony heerin was vsed whether they vsed the same hymne that was sayd before Christ his rising vp frō the table what hymne that was or what other prayers hymns or by what speeches or ceremonies they shewed our Lords death where can they deliuer vs notice of all this Was there no forme or order set downe and vsed by the Apostles left by them vnto succeeding Christians to follow Or was it left so raw and vnordered that they knew not of any forme or manner of celebration thereof at all Who can imagine the Apostles to haue byn so carelesse and improuident S. Paul telleth vs the contrary when hauing spoken of Christ his institution of this Sacrament he promiseth to set the rest thereunto belonging in order at his comming vnto those to whome he wrote of the same When the Hussites began their pretended reformation of Religion according as they sayd to the tyme of the Apostles they tooke away no Altars out of Churches but left them standing and sayd Masse at them as yet they continue to do When Luther an hundreth yeares after this began his pretended Reformation which he also sayd was according the the tyme of the Apostles he tooke away no Altars neyther but celebrated at them as do those of his sect in Germany at this day calling the Sacrament thereon celebrated by no other name then the Sacrament of the Altar But the first that began to celebrate vpon House-tables were the Anabaptists who began some yeares after Luther And after these came the Caluinists or disciples of Caluin whose doctrine we in England for the most part do follow and these brake downe the Altars in Churches brought house-tables and set them in their places and theron celebrated their Communion affirming this be a reformation according to the tyme of the Apostles and primitiue Church of Christ Heere falleth now to be considered whether the first Christians that had the vse of Churches had in their Churches Altars or House-tables If they vsed first tables then the question is when by what order and vpon what occasion were these tables caryed out Altars builded in their steeds as also what question or dispute hapned about this alteration or what memory or notice is there left vnto the world of it in any Ecclesiastical Annals or other History When Altars were by Caluinists brokē down in Churches cōmunion-tables set in their places all the world tooke notice thereof and euen as much notice must there also haue byn taken if at the first House-tables had bin vsed in Churches that afterward they had byn taken out and Altars there erected Franciscus Aluares who liued six yeares in Aethiopia among the Abissines writeth that their Ecclesiasticall Annales doe testify that they had a Church built in their Countrey to the honour of Christ within ten yeares of his Ascension which Church there yet remayneth and beareth the name as alwayes it hath done of The Church of our Lady of mount Sion and the reason why it is so called is because the stone whereof the Altar was builded was brought thither from Mount Sion Such testimony of the auncient vse of Altars in Churches is not only found among these so auncient Christians but among all other ancient Christians of the world besydes those of the Church of Rome as among those of the Greeke Church those of Cangranor and Malabar in the east Indies that were conuerted by S. Thomas the Apostle and by all other ancient Christians of the world albeit they depend not vpon the Church of Rome And further can I tell you that I haue seene a discourse which as yet is not printed wherin is cleerly manifestly shewed by most great and good arguments that in all those Countreyes wherein the Apostles themselues preached and planted the Christian fayth they did leaue behind them the Masse which hath from their tyme remayned among those Christians and their successours vnto this day As touching the fayth and beliefe of the Reall presence of Christ in the sayd Sacrament it neuer appeared that euer any one mā in the Greeke Church did deny it and in this fayth and belieue all the other most ancient and remote Christians of the world are most confident seing they haue had it ab initio and that it is deryued from the very mouth of Christ That Christ sayd at his last supper taking bread and blessing it This is my body no man can deny That it is his body but only Anabaptistes and Caluinists two late risen Sects who doe deny it if they speake truly then is not Christ to be belieued if they say he meant not as he sayd they make him a double dealer but if he meant not as he sayd then are they to shew where it standeth written in Gods word that he meant it not and not meaning it where it is then written how he would haue his words vnderstood But who shall shew vs this Or where or when shall we find it That Christ was able when he tooke bread blessed it and sayd it was his body to make it so to be who can make doubt that doubteth him not to be Christ and consequently God and why is he not as well able to doe this as to doe with the same his owne naturall body sundry other miracles aboue the