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A26962 Naked popery, or, The naked falshood of a book called The Catholick naked truth, or, The Puritan convert to apostolical Christianity, written by W.H. opening their fundamental errour of unwritten tradition, and their unjust description of the Puritans, the prelatical Protestant, and the papist, and their differences, and better acquainting the ignorant of the same difference, especially what a Puritan and what a papist is / by Richard Baxter ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1677 (1677) Wing B1315; ESTC R13884 120,987 206

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be judged immutable as made by Divine Inspiration yet the Pope of Rome who though of unequal merits holdeth the place of the Eternal King and the Maker of all Things and all Laws on Earth may abrogate these Decrees when they are abused XXI By the same pretended Power he changeth Christs own Instituted Sacrament even in the substance of it denying all the Laity the Cup while they condemn all that will not believe that the Wine is turned into his very Blood And he that eateth not the Flesh of Christ and drinketh not his Blood hath not Life which they expound of the Sacrament Christ said when he had given them the Cup Drink yes all of it Mat. 26. 27. And Paul delivereth it to the Laity from the Lord 1 Cor. 11. 23. 25. 28. This do ye as oft as ye drink it in remembrance of me And as oft as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye shew the Lords death till he come Let a man examine himself and so let him eat of this Bread and drink of this Cup 1 Cor. 10. 21. Ye cannot drink the Cup of the Lord and the Cup of Devils is given to the Laity as a reason against their Idol Communion In relation to the Sacrament it 's said that all were made to drink into one Spirit The reception of the Spirit being likened to that drinking And if the Pope may abrogate one half the Sacrament why not theother XXII The Pope declareth all the World to be damned except his own Subjects See the foresaid first Canon of Innocents Laterane Council Leo 10. Abrog Pragm Sanct. Bul. in the 17. General Council at Laterane saith And seeing it is of necessity to salvation that all the faithful of Christ be subject to the Pope of Rome as we are taught by the Testimony of Divine Scripture and of the holy Fathers and it is declared in the constitution of Pope Boniface the 7. c. Pope Pius 2. was converted from the supremacie of Councils by this Doctrine of a Cardinal which he approveth or by the Popedom Bul. Retract in Bin. Vol. 4. p. 514. I came to the Fountain of truth which the holy Doctors both Greek and Latine shew who with one Voice say that he cannot be saved that holdeth not the Unity of the holy Church of Rome and that all those Virtues are maimed to him that refuseth to obey the Pope of Rome though he lye in Sackcloth and Ashes and fast and pray both Day and Night and seem in the rest or other things to fulfil the Law of God Bellarmine saith de Eccles l. 3. c. 5. that No man though he would can be subject to Christ that is not subject to the Pope And therefore he saith that our Baptism implicitely subjecteth us to the Pope or we are so baptized to him And saith Gonzal Rodericus in Godignus de rebus Abassin l. 2. c. 18. p. 323. to the Emperours Mother I denyed that any one is subject to Christ that is not subject to his Vicar But said the old Woman to him Neither I nor mine do deny obedience to S. Peter We are in the same Faith now that we were in from the beginning If that was not the right why was there no one found in so many Ages and Generations that would warn us of our Errour See here what Tradition is and whether the Papal Church and Charge was Universal The Jesuite answered The Pope of Rome who is Pastor of the whole Church of Christ could not in the years that are by-past send Teachers into Abassia because the Mahometans incompassed all and had left no passage to them but now the Maritime way to Aethiopia is open they can do that which they could not do before So that it seemeth 1. Christ hath made the Pope Governour of Countries that he cannot send to and set the poor man an impossible task 2. He hath made it necessary to salvation to whole Kingdoms to believe in a Pope that they could never hear from nor whether there were such a Man or City in the world 3. Or else their Faith groweth new as the Sea passage is open And wo to them if their new acquaintance with the Pope make all all all his Laws necessary to them which they might have been saved without before How much happier were they when they never heard of his Name See here all you Jesuites one old Woman is able unanswerably to confute you all if she stand but on equal ground with you and be not under your power inquisition or fear XXIII In so doing the Pope damneth and unchurcheth about two or three parts of the Christians upon earth and so would destroy the Body Politick of Christ For the Body is rather to be denominated from the greater part than from the less Else why do Votes in General Councils go for the sense of the Church And I have shewed before that the Abassines Copties in Egypt Syrians Armenians Georgians Greeks Moscovites Protestants and the rest are far more two or three to one than all the Papists in the World Much more when Mahometanism had not drowned so many Countries that were of the Greek Profession was it so And how the Saviour of the World will take it for this Usurper to rob him of the most of his Flock and damn most of his Church and corrupt the rest consider and judge XXIV By so doing the Pope sets a Sect or small divided Parcel of the Church and calleth it the whole Church of Christ Even as some Anabaptists I hope not many and other Sects appropriate Christianity or true Church-Communion to themselves and say We are all the Church so doth the Pope His Universal Church is too small for any understanding Christian to own as such and to be a Member of as such XXV The Pope damneth not only two or three parts of the Christian World but also his own Representative Body or Church called Papists such an Abaddon is he Proved The General Councils at Constance and Basil to say nothing of many others were the Representative Church of the Papists and took it to be de fide that a Council was above the Pope But the Pope hath damned them for this as an error and for their deposing Popes See Concil Later sub Jul. 2. and sub Leone 10. Concil Florent Review the fore-cited Speeches of Cajetan and Pighius against them Many more Councils have they condemned XXVI Yea Popes have damned Popes also and it is most to be feared lest they damn themselves more than others I need not tell of Marcellinus nor of Honorius condemned for an Heretick by divers Popes nor repeat the Schismes and Damnations of each other therein nor the Story of Sergius and Formosus and Stephen c. nor their forementioned wickedness Watson in his Quodlibets tells you of Bellarmines Sentence against Pope Sixtus Quintus Conceptis verbis quantum capio quantum sapio quantum intelligo Dominus noster Papa descendit
men leave to commit any sin for money or so pardon any sin after as you shall not be in the least danger of any punishment for it temporal or eternal in Purgatory or in Hell Ans I will take your part in this and prove that the Squib-maker who drew up this Charge doth do you wrong What a Sot was he to think that any Pope would ever be sick or sore or dye if he could forgive all temporal punishment Unless the unhappy man can forgive all others and not himself At least he would preserve some of his Friends in health and immortality on Earth And the Whores that Baronius himself saith made Popes at their pleasure would have found some Popes so grateful as to have saved them from dying if not from bringing forth in pain And truly I should hope that at least the Pope that by a Council was condemned for an Infidel and believing not any life to come in Heaven or Hell would have been so tender-hearted as to forgive all the world the punishment in Hell And it was a great mistake in these Slanderers of you to except no sin As if the Popes could forgive them that would diminish their Kingdoms or restrain their Domination much less that would depose them Could Pope Eugenius ever forgive the Universal Church as it 's called that is the great General Council which in vain condemned and deposed him When he can scarce forgive a poor Protestant the Rack and Fire for reading the Bible or serving God out of the Roman way And doubtless he is wronged by this Charge that he can nullifie all pain death Purgatory and Hell for I think you will say that quoad potentiam ordinatam Christ cannot do it or at least he will not And were this believed by all the World no wonder if they willingly obeyed him and called him Our Lord God the Pope For he could conquer any Kingdom by saving all his Souldiers from hurt and death It is enough that he can forgive some part or time of Purgatory Torments and that as great Doctors say he can and lesser Priests than he forgive the pains of Hell to a sinner that hath no true contrition for sin that is repenteth not out of any Love to God or Goodness but only Attrition and the Sacrament of Penance and Absolution that is repenteth only for fear of Hell and would sin still if he durst And though you may hope that there are no Copies of the old Pardons yet to be seen or any of Tecelius Merchandise now extant yet the sure History of them is common and if you deny it it will be proved to your shame What a multitude of Writers have better cited your practice and confuted it But yet I remember to do you right that even Hildebrand himself Greg. 7. in a Roman Council saith that neither the Sacrament of Baptism nor Penance is of any force to pardon any impenitent Hypocrite which is well said and as for true Penitent Believers we verily believe that they are pardoned ipso jure by the Gospel as to destructive or hellish Punishment and that every true Minister of Christ may validly deliver this pardon ministerially by true absolution in the Sacrament and without it But in what measure God himself will remit temporal Chastisements few men can know till the event tell it them And neither Pope nor Priest can forgive without him nor know what God will remit any more than another man may know that is by Gods Word and by the event And again I say if it were in the Popes power however you may absolve him from Bribery or the Love of Money that there would be more difference in point of bodily suffering between his Subjects or Favourites and other men than was ever yet perceived It 's policy therefore to confine the business to Purgatory that no witness may be able to disprove it You add to the Charge That of all Christ's Merits the Pope is the Supreme Lord to dispose of them to the living and the dead as he by his unerring Spirit thinks fitting Answ Here the Charger wrongs you too For seeing all mens Lives and Mercies are the Fruits of Christs Merits if this were true the Pope could kill all his Enemies at his pleasure and when he hath killed them could cast them into Hell or keep them out of Heaven And then no one in his wits would be against him or displease him It 's enough to be able to do as aforesaid III. Your next is the Papist honours the Virgin Mary much more than he does her divine Son or God the Father for one Prayer he says to God he says ten to the Virgin Answ This is injurious too whoever made it The Pagans honour not their Inferiour Gods so much as the Supreme And for the number of Prayers it 's not like that all Papists use the same or by the same Beads But whether you give inordinate honour to the Virgin Mary and put not up a very large proportion of your Prayers to her if Dr. Stillingfleet and abundance before him may not be trusted in their Citations I hope your own Prayer-books may be believed It 's bad enough to make her like Juno though you should not equal her with Jove Angels have refused smaller honour IV. You add His Prayers are a company of Latine words he neither understands or cares to understand them which if he do but patter over in such a number though his heart and mind be wholly taken up with worldly thoughts and desires he thinks c. Answ At the first line one would have thought you had grown past blushing and had denyed your Latine Prayers not understood but you never want one word to help you out in renouncing the whole Sentence You make me think of that sorry Religion which teacheth men that if one Article in a Vow among many be unlawful they may renounce all Obligation to any thing else that there is Vowed and so a Knave may be disobliged to all Vows and Covenants if he will but drop in any thing that is unlawful Do not your unlearned Multitude join in your Latine Prayers Do Mass-books and your daily Masses all deceive our Eyes and Ears No that 's not it what then must all be desirous to understand it if they cannot I rather think the Calumny is that his mind and heart may be wholly taken up with worldly desires But who was it that put in that into the Charge was it not your self We know that you say There should be some General kind of Devotion and good Desire though he know not what is said and a General Belief called Implicite which is no Belief of any of the Particulars and a General Implicite Desire which is no Desire of any express Particular being a Faith that is no Faith and a Prayer which is no Prayer would make a Religion which is no Religion if you had no better V. The next is If he do but