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be_v his_o sâ—…h_n he_o say_v noâ—…_n this_o bread_n be_v the_o barâ—…_n sign_n or_o figure_n of_o his_o flesh_n but_o his_o real_a flesh_n for_o it_o be_v his_o real_a flesh_n and_o not_o its_o bare_a figure_n that_o be_v offer_v or_o sacrifice_v for_o the_o lifâ—…_n of_o the_o world_n therefore_o this_o bread_n be_v â—…ot_v a_o mere_a sign_n only_o of_o christ_n body_n but_o his_o very_a real_a substantial_a body_n for_o it_o be_v his_o real_a body_n and_o not_o its_o type_n only_o that_o be_v sacrifice_v for_o the_o life_n or_o salvation_n of_o the_o world_n after_o our_o saviour_n say_v to_o the_o jew_n i_o be_o the_o bread_n of_o life_n i_o be_o the_o bread_n which_o descend_v from_o heaven_n and_o the_o jew_n thereforâ—…_n murmur_v and_o gâ—…umbled_v among_o themselves_o say_v be_v not_o this_o the_o son_n of_o joseph_n who_o father_n and_o mother_n we_o know_v and_o again_o how_o câ—…n_v this_o man_n give_v we_o his_o flesh_n to_o eat_v our_o saviour_n to_o confirm_v that_o it_o 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