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demetrian_n say_v 22._o sect._n 16._o &_o sect._n 22._o that_o after_o we_o be_v dead_a there_o be_v no_o place_n of_o repentance_n no_o place_n of_o satisfaction_n to_o this_o the_o letter_n 17._o letter_n pag._n 17._o answer_v it_o be_v not_o say_v when_o we_o be_v dead_a but_o when_o you_o be_v dead_a mean_v that_o this_o be_v speak_v to_o heathen_n not_o to_o christian_n as_o if_o quando_fw-la istinc_fw-la excessum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la be_v speak_v impersonal_o do_v not_o mean_v indefinite_o all_o the_o world_n and_o certain_o it_o may_v as_o well_o one_o as_o the_o other_o christian_n as_o well_o as_o heathen_n for_o christian_n may_v be_v in_o the_o state_n of_o deadly_a sin_n and_o aversion_n from_o god_n as_o well_o as_o heathen_n and_o then_o this_o admonition_n and_o reason_n fit_v they_o as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o e._n w_n 32._o pag._n 32._o answer_n that_o s._n cyprian_a mean_n that_o after_o death_n there_o be_v no_o meritorious_a satisfaction_n he_o say_v true_a indeed_o there_o be_v none_o that_o be_v meritorious_a neither_o before_o nor_o after_o death_n but_o this_o will_v not_o serve_v his_o turn_n for_o s._n cyptrian_n say_v that_o after_o death_n there_o be_v none_o at_o all_o no_o place_n of_o satisfaction_n of_o any_o kind_n whatsoever_o no_o place_n of_o wholesome_a repentance_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v vain_a to_o say_v that_o this_o council_n be_v only_o give_v to_o demetrianus_n who_o be_v a_o heathen_a for_o if_o he_o have_v be_v a_o christian_n he_o will_v or_o at_o least_o may_v have_v use_v the_o same_o argument_n not_o to_o put_v any_o part_n of_o his_o duty_n off_o upon_o confidence_n of_o any_o thing_n to_o be_v do_v or_o suffer_v after_o this_o life_n for_o his_o argument_n be_v this_o this_o be_v the_o time_n of_o repentance_n after_o death_n it_o be_v not_o now_o you_o may_v satisfy_v that_o be_v appease_v the_o divine_a anger_n after_o this_o life_n be_v end_v nothing_o of_o this_o can_v be_v do_v for_o s._n cyrian_n do_v not_o speak_v this_o dispensative_a ibid._n donec_fw-la aevi_fw-la temporalis_fw-la sine_fw-la completo_fw-la ad_fw-la aeternae_fw-la vel_fw-la mortis_fw-la vel_fw-la immortalitatis_fw-la
hospitia_fw-la dividamur_fw-la ibid._n or_o by_o relation_n to_o this_o particular_a case_n but_o assertive_a he_o affirm_v express_o speak_v to_o the_o same_o demetrian_a that_o when_o this_o life_n be_v finish_v we_o be_v divide_v either_o to_o the_o dweling_n of_o death_n or_o of_o immortality_n and_o that_o we_o may_v see_v this_o be_v not_o speak_v of_o impenitent_a pagan_n only_a 16._o sect._n 16._o as_o the_o letter_n to_o a_o friend_n dream_n s._n cyprian_n renew_v the_o same_o caution_n and_o advice_n to_o the_o lapse_v christian_n lapsis_fw-la serm._n de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la o_o you_o my_o brethren_n let_v every_o one_o confess_v his_o sin_n est_fw-la confiteantur_fw-la singuli_fw-la vos_fw-la fratres_fw-la delictum_fw-la suum_fw-la dum_fw-la adhuc_fw-la qui_fw-la deliquit_fw-la iâ—_n saeculo_fw-la est_fw-la dum_fw-la admitâ—i_fw-la confessio_fw-la ejus_fw-la potest_fw-la dum_fw-la satisfactio_fw-la &_o remissio_fw-la facta_fw-la per_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la apud_fw-la dominum_fw-la grata_fw-la est_fw-la while_o he_o that_o have_v sin_v be_v yet_o in_o this_o world_n while_o his_o confession_n can_v be_v admit_v while_o satisfaction_n and_o pardon_n make_v by_o the_o priest_n be_v grateful_a with_o god_n if_o there_o have_v be_v any_o thought_n of_o the_o roman_a purgatory_n in_o s._n cyprian_n time_n he_o can_v not_o in_o better_a word_n have_v impugn_a it_o than_o here_o he_o do_v all_o that_o have_v sin_v must_v here_o look_v to_o it_o here_o they_o must_v confess_v here_o beg_v pardon_n here_o make_v amends_o and_o satisfy_v afterward_o neither_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o shall_v be_v admit_v now_o if_o to_o christian_n also_o there_o be_v grant_v no_o leave_n to_o repent_v no_o mean_n to_o satisfy_v no_o mean_n of_o pardon_n after_o this_o life_n these_o word_n be_v so_o various_a and_o comprehensive_a that_o they_o include_v all_o case_n and_o it_o be_v plain_a s._n cyprian_n speak_v it_o indefinite_o there_o be_v no_o place_n of_o repentance_n no_o place_n of_o satisfaction_n none_o at_o all_o neither_o to_o heathen_n nor_o to_o christian_n but_o now_o let_v these_o word_n be_v set_v against_o the_o roman_a doctrine_n viz._n that_o there_o be_v a_o place_n call_v purgatory_n in_o which_o the_o soul_n torment_v do_v satisfy_v and_o come_v not_o out_o thence_o till_o they_o have_v pay_v viz._n by_o suffering_n or_o by_o suffrage_n the_o utmost_a farthing_n and_o then_o see_v which_o we_o will_v follow_v for_o they_o differ_v in_o all_o the_o point_n of_o the_o compass_n and_o these_o man_n do_v nothing_o but_o betray_v the_o weakness_n of_o their_o cause_n by_o expound_v s._n cyprian_n to_o the_o â—ense_n of_o new_a distinction_n make_v but_o yesterday_o in_o the_o forge_v of_o the_o school_n and_o indeed_o the_o whole_a affair_n upon_o which_o the_o answer_n of_o bellarmine_n rely_v which_o these_o man_n have_v translate_v to_o their_o own_o use_n be_v unreasonable_a for_o be_v it_o a_o likely_a business_n that_o when_o man_n have_v commit_v great_a crime_n they_o shall_v be_v pardon_v here_o by_o confession_n and_o the_o ministery_n of_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o that_o the_o venial_a sin_n though_o confess_v in_o the_o general_n and_o as_o well_o as_o they_o can_v be_v and_o the_o party_n absolve_v yet_o there_o shall_v be_v prepare_v for_o their_o expiation_n the_o intolerable_a torment_n of_o hell_n fire_n for_o a_o very_a long_a time_n and_o that_o for_o the_o great_a sin_n for_o which_o man_n have_v agree_v with_o their_o adversary_n in_o the_o way_n and_o the_o adversary_n have_v forgive_v they_o yet_o that_o for_o these_o also_o they_o shall_v be_v cast_v into_o prison_n from_o whence_o they_o shall_v not_o come_v till_o the_o utmost_a farthing_n be_v pay_v that_o be_v against_o the_o design_n of_o our_o bless_a saviour_n counsel_n for_o if_o that_o be_v the_o case_n then_o though_o we_o and_o our_o adversary_n be_v agree_v upon_o the_o main_a and_o the_o debt_n forgive_v yet_o 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but_o a_o pass_v over_o and_o when_o our_o temporal_a course_n be_v run_v a_o go_v over_o to_o immortality_n â—_o let_v we_o embrace_v that_o day_n which_o assign_v every_o one_o of_o we_o to_o our_o dwell_n and_o restore_v those_o which_o be_v snatch_v from_o hence_o and_o be_v disintangle_v from_o the_o snare_n of_o the_o world_n to_o paradise_n and_o the_o heavenly_a kingdom_n there_o be_v here_o many_o other_o thing_n so_o plain_o speak_v to_o this_o purpose_n that_o i_o wonder_v any_o papist_n shall_v read_v that_o treatise_n and_o not_o be_v cure_v of_o his_o infirmity_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n be_v that_o of_o s._n diony_n dionys._n s._n dionys._n call_v death_n the_o end_n of_o holy_a agony_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v they_o have_v no_o more_o agony_n to_o run_v through_o immediate_o after_o death_n to_o this_o e._n w._n answer_n that_o s._n denis_n mean_v 32._o pag._n 32._o that_o death_n be_v the_o end_n of_o all_o the_o agony_n of_o this_o life_n a_o goodly_a note_n and_o never_o reveal_v till_o then_o and_o now_o as_o if_o this_o be_v a_o good_a argument_n to_o encourage_v man_n to_o contend_v brave_o and_o not_o to_o fear_v death_n because_o when_o they_o be_v once_o dead_a they_o shall_v no_o more_o be_v trouble_v with_o the_o trouble_n of_o this_o life_n indeed_o you_o may_v go_v to_o worse_a and_o death_n may_v let_v you_o into_o a_o state_n of_o be_v as_o bad_a as_o hell_n and_o of_o great_a torment_n than_o all_o the_o pain_n of_o this_o world_n put_v together_o amount_v to_o but_o to_o let_v alone_o such_o ridiculous_a subterfuge_n see_v the_o word_n of_o s._n diony_n they_o that_o live_v a_o holy_a life_n look_v to_o the_o true_a promise_n of_o god_n as_o if_o they_o be_v to_o behold_v the_o truth_n itself_o in_o that_o resurrection_n which_o be_v according_a to_o it_o with_o firm_a and_o true_a hope_n and_o in_o a_o divine_a joy_n come_v to_o the_o sleep_n of_o death_n as_o to_o a_o end_n of_o all_o holy_a 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no_o purgation_n can_v no_o way_n be_v put_v off_o by_o any_o pretence_n for_o he_o mean_v it_o of_o the_o time_n after_o death_n before_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n which_o be_v direct_o oppose_v to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o unless_o you_o will_v suppose_v that_o s._n gregory_n believe_v two_o purgatory_n it_o be_v certain_a he_o do_v not_o believe_v the_o roman_a for_o he_o teach_v that_o the_o purgation_n which_o he_o call_v baptism_n by_o fire_n and_o the_o save_n yet_o so_o as_o by_o fire_n be_v to_o be_v perform_v at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n and_o the_o curiosity_n of_o that_o trial_n be_v the_o fierceness_n of_o that_o fire_n as_o nicetas_n expound_v s._n gregory_n word_n in_o his_o oration_n in_o sancta_fw-la lumina_fw-la so_o that_o s._n gregory_n affirm_v that_o this_o world_n be_v the_o place_n of_o purgation_n and_o that_o after_o this_o world_n there_o be_v no_o purgation_n can_v not_o have_v speak_v any_o thing_n more_o direct_a 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man_n will_v go_v out_o of_o prison_n so_o do_v the_o saint_n go_v out_o of_o this_o troublesome_a life_n unto_o those_o good_a thing_n which_o be_v prepare_v for_o they_o now_o let_v these_o and_o all_o the_o precedent_a word_n be_v confront_v against_o the_o sad_a complaint_n make_v for_o the_o soul_n in_o purgatory_n by_o joh._n gerson_n in_o his_o querela_fw-la defunctorum_fw-la and_o sr._n tho._n more_o in_o his_o supplication_n of_o soul_n and_o it_o will_v be_v find_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o father_n differ_v from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o much_o as_o heaven_n and_o hell_n rest_n and_o labour_n horrid_a torment_n and_o great_a joy_n i_o conclude_v this_o matter_n of_o quotation_n by_o the_o say_n of_o pope_n leo_n 18._o letter_n p._n 18._o which_o one_o of_o my_o adversary_n can_v not_o find_v because_o the_o printer_n be_v mistake_v it_o be_v the_o 91._o epistle_n so_o know_v and_o so_o use_v by_o the_o roman_a writer_n in_o the_o qu._n 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