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A34470 A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1656 (1656) Wing C6094; ESTC R215454 85,329 113

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oyntment Isa. 1. 6. So that before the coming of Christ into man to binde up his wounds to annoint him with oile and to sanctifie him he is polluted throughout Ezek. 16. Rosewell Rub your Brazen-face and go on Coppin If the nature of man had beene holie before Christ took it on him then Christ need not have come to make it holie but because it was polluted with sinne therefore did Christ come and take part of the same sinfull nature that he by living in that nature might sanctifie and cleanse it all and thereby present the whole nature of man pure spotlesse and blamelesse to the Father making it to be accepted in him the beloved Jesus for without him there was none righteous no not one but all have sinned and come short of the glory of God And he hath concluded all men under sin and unbelief that he might have mercy upon all and this mercie is manifested in Heb. 2. 14. That forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death which is the Devill and deliver them who through feare of death were all their life time subject to bondage For before Christ did take our flesh on him the Devill and Sinne did dwell in it but because that men should not for ever remaine so under the Dominions of sin death hell and the devil God himself did manifest himself to live in our nature or sinful flesh that he might destroy both his and our enemies even sin death hell and the devill in our nature which devil had no part in him 1 John 3. 8. For this purpose was the Son of God manifested that he might destroy the works of the devil without which no man could live to see the face of God in righteousnesse as 't is written We must needs die and are all like water spilt upon the ground which could not be gathered up again And God without respect of persons did find out this way in his Son to redeem us again to himselfe even by his being manifest in our flesh yea in our sinful flesh not that he was that flesh but did live in it to destroy the pollutions of it and so present it to his Father as blamelesse and as holie as himself For he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them Brethren saying I will declare thy Name unto my Brethren in the mid'st of the Church will I sing praise unto thee And again I will put my trust in thee and beh●ld I and the children which God hath given me are with thee Heb. 2. 11. Rosewell Cannot every one read this as well as you Coppin Pray interrupt me not I shall yet go on verse 17. 18. He was in all things made like unto his Brethren that he might be a mercifull and faithfull High-Priest to offer up for the sinnes of the people which till he had taken them on him in our likeness he could not doe and in that he himselfe hath suffered for them being tempted he is able to succour them that are tempted but if our nature were holy before Christ took it on him to what end did he take it to suffer in it and yet I say this Jesus which did take our nature on him and still lives in it now in us and will also in those that shall come after us was not himselfe sinfull but righteous and the sinfulness of it was ours and is known onely to us and not to him living in us for he knew no sin and yet he in our nature did beare all oursins and it was the sins of all men that did crucifie him which he did beare in their nature as his own body on the Tree for the same nature that sinned did suffer for sin and not another nature and he being both God and man as having the nature of both so he had power to die and to live againe to lay downe his life and to take it up and so he became our Holy High-Priest to offer up us and our nature in himselfe and his nature by one offering to the Father to reconcile us to God when he offer'd up himselfe once for all And now answer me one question What High-Priest is that spoken of in Heb. 5. 1. 2. 3. And that you may know he is there said to have compassion on the ignorant and on them that are out of the way for that he himselfe also is compassed about with our infirmities and what High-Priest is this say you Then answered one Mr. Wife a Minister It is spoken of Jesus Christ Coppin It seems you cannot answer your selfe you must have some other to answer for you Rosewell I will fetch one Oyster-Wife from Billingsgate shall answer you Coppin Well you denie not this answer made for you concerning this Scripture in Heb. 5. that the High-Priest there spoken of was Christ which if it be as you say and not I then read the next words ver. 3. and by reason thereof he ought as for the people so also for himself to offer for sins Rosewell You have confest confest what I charged you with Coppin I have only read to you the words of the Scripture Also if Christ be our Suretie to pay our debt as in Heb. 7. 22. then the debt became his as well as ours which he paid for himself as for us after he had taken it to him and so he may be said to offer for his own sins also as for the peoples according to these Scriptures Isaiah 53. 12. He was numbered with the transgressors Rosewell Now I desire all to take notice and they may plainly see you are a Blasphemer I shall now follow you in your Wile-Goose-Chase He that shall pretend Scripture that Christ did offer for his own sins as also for the peoples he is a Blasphemer but you have ergo Coppin I have not pretended Scripture but have proved all things that I have said plainlie by Scripture and concerning that in the Heb. I did ask you what was meant by that High-Priest and because you did not answer your self some other bodie did for you saying it was Christ Rosewell But you did affirm that Christ in our nature did offer for his owne sins as also for the peoples and how can there be salvation in him that must offer for his owne sins therefore all that heare you must conclude this to be high blasphemy against Jesus Christ and it is dangerous damnable doctrine Coppin You say it is dangerous and so it is to you because it is contrary to your doctrine and doth overthrow it but it is not dangerous to the truth but to that which is a lye and that cannot stand before it and therefore you raile against it because you can no way overthrow it Rosewell I say he that saith
on him and he by offering it up as taking it to himself and by his being slain to live in it as a Lamb without blemish our sinful nature is redeemed from sin to holinesse by Jesus Christ the incorruptible seed living in it and by which we are redeemed to the same holy Priesthood with him to be as Lambs without blemish in him Captain Harrison Mr. French You may do well to one answer another briefly or else you have a great advantage one of another and it will be more advantage to the Hearers French Whereas Mr. Coppin was pleased the last Dispute that out of hell there was redemption and he brought the words of the Prophet David when he saith Thou wilt not leave my soule in hell nor suffer thy holy one to see corruption This is not meant hell but the grave for hell hath severall acceptations sometimes it is taken for the grave as in this place and not of hell as you would have it another Scripture you brought in Amos the 9. 2. in which I am of my Brother Rosewells opinion and not yours for that doth not prove redemption out of hell but a coming to judgment soule and body at the last day to receive the sentence of eternall damnation in hell where the worm never dies from whence there is no redemption Coppin Prove that out of hell there is no redemption your Brother Rosewell could not French I prove it Matthew 25. These shall goe into everlasting punishment but the righteous into life eternall Coppin That proves it not for they may goe into that which is everlasting punishment and yet come forth French I deny it though you say the word everlasting hath an end and that Scripture which you brought in Gen. 17. concerning the first Covenant that it was everlasting and had an end when the second came I deny for it was all but one Covenant and everlasting is for ever but I am sorry to see so many people here deluded with such errors Coppin Sir you say but what your Brother Rosewell have said alreadie which I then answer'd and you understand not for the first Everlasting Covenant as to the conditions thereof which was the work of the Law had an end as to us when God made with us a New Covenant upon better conditions without end though to him the first and the last is all one and where you have the word everlasting or for ever go single there it may somtimes be said to last but for a time age or dispensation but where it is from everlasting to everlasting and for ever and ever there it is world without end French I say there is no end of the punishment in hell for the wicked where the worm never dies nor the fire goes out but the wicked persons of men shall be tormented eternally in the flames suffering the vengeance of eternal fire Coppin I denie that men shall be eternallie in it though the fire it self be as eternal as God for God himself is this consuming fire when it meets with that which is to be burnt and this fire is to try everie mans works of what sort it is and he being refined as having all his sins burnt up within him by the spirit of burning he shall come out of the fire of Gods anger as one purged and made white yet the fire remains the same still in it self as in God and man while in it is said to suffer the vengeance of eternal fire as of God so long as there is any thing of dross wood hay or stubble in man for the fire to take hold of till all be consumed as the Sea it is alwaies full of water and never emptie and man may go into the water to wash himself and after come forth yet the sea remains still the same as before as that which man was in but now is forth so is this eternal fire which everie man is to pass through before he is refined and it were well with you if this fire had laid hold on you for then you would be the purer and the sooner come forth French I do not believe that he that is once in it shall ever come forth for out of hell there is no redemption and 't is horrible blasphemie to say it Coppin You have no Scripture to prove it and I see you understand it not but I prove that David while he lived was shut up in it for somtime and could not come forth the wrath of God lay so hard upon him as you may read in Psalmes 88. beginning at the 6. verse Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit in darknesse in the deep thy wrath lieth hard upon me and thou hast afflicted me with all thy waves thou hast put away mine asquaintance far from me thou hast made me an ab●mination unto them I am shut up and I cannot come forth This was Davids hell here on earth French But hell in some places is taken for the grave and some for hell and David speaks of the grave Coppin What do you mean by grave French Why the grave of earth that mens bodies are buried in Coppin But David was in this grave when he said it and y 〈…〉 in his bodie on the earth and not in the grave as you call so therefore pray let me ask you one question If hell in some places be taken for the grave as you say it is though hell and grave are but differing terms in Scripture pray what is it taken for in Hos 13. 14. where God saith I will ransome them from the power of the grave I will redeem them from death O death I will be thy plagues O grave I will be thy destruction repentance shall be hid from mine eyes Pray tell me what is it meant here French I am not minded to tell you Coppin Then 't is because you cannot therefore I will tell you by the grave is here meant hell which God will destroy in redeeming us from it For saith he I will ransome them from the grave I will redeem them from death O death I will be thy plagues O grave I will be thy destruction God will destroy that death and hell which destroyed us which we through fear thereof were all our life time subject to bondage for they came together and shall end together as two companions Revel. 20. 14. and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire this is the second death and the last enemie to be destroyed but what this lake of fire and brimstone is the Prophet Isaiah tells you Isa. 30. last Tophet is ordained of old yea for the King it is prepared he hath made it deep and large the pile thereof is fire and much wood and the breath of the Lord like a stream of brimstone doth kindle it This Tophet is the Lake or Vallie of Slaughter prepared only for the King the fire thereof is God himself our God is a consuming fire the fuel
it not to them that are free to do it though here were none of them baptized by Christ for he baptized not but his Disciples and they baptized no children but onely such persons as would then be under Johns administration of water which was onely to last Johns time and then to be made void and people did thinke then as some doe now that unlesse their children did recieve baptisme they shall not inherit the Kingdome of God therefore would say Oh give them that they come for lest they should die before they had it Now saith Christ who will forbid a little child that he should not inherit the Kingdome of God I say let such come to me for of such is the Lords Kingdom and they come to me as to their Saviour their Lord and Master therefore forbid them not though they were never baptized with water for they are subjects already fited for the Kingdome of God as a Kingdome of righteousness meekness truth and love having in them no unrighteousness as pride lying and hatred but they like Christ doe know noe sin being not borne in sin till they have the knowledg thereof and oh that all men were become such children free from all sin and so receive the Kingdome of God as a little child Againe he took them up in his armes laid his hands on them and blessed them and this he did to let the people know that they are the blessed of the Lord and that they are within the compass of his armes as being never out but always lodging in his bosom of goodness mercy love and favour as being heires of his Kingdome And of this arme God saith all the day long have I stretthed it forth to a disobedient and gainsaying people to bring them to this state of a little child into meekness and love from sin and rebellion and when this hand of the Lord shall thus come to be laid on any of you then shall you be as a weaned child from the brest of your owne haughtie and laughtie Spirit by which you were nursed up into the state of rebellion against God and of this the Prophet saith who hath belived our report and to whom is the arme of the Lord revealed speaking of Jesus Christ the arme of God that took from us all our sins and laid upon himselfe as 't is written he hath laid on him the iniquities of us all and by which arme Daniel when he lay with his face on the ground was raised up upon the knees and palmes of his hands and from thence to stand upright upon his feet and when he knew it was by the hand of the Lord he stood trembling that is all things of himselfe trembled in himselfe when he stood upright in the Lord Now when this hand is laid on you and doe but touch you the first and second time which is the first and second coming of Christ in manifestation to the soule then shall you stand upright in the Lord and be for none but the Lord and saith Christ feare not for I have the keyes of the house of David which is Heaven and I have the keyes of death and of hell and I can open and none can shut and shut and none can open therefore feare none of those things which thou shalt suffer for behold saith Christ I know thy works and tribulation and the divell shall cast some of you into prison that you may be tryed and you shall have tribulation for a time but be thou faithfull unto death and I will give thee a Crowne of life therefore feare nor for I having the keyes will not suffer you to be shut up any longer then I please but will break open prisons and prison doores saith the Lord and all this is done by his laying his hand upon us and blessing of us therefore henceforth judg charitably of all men in all conditions and no more judge any childe to condemnation that knowes no sin nor Devil but rather this that the Lords mercy is over all his works and will lose nothing of his own Rosewell I desire to have no more to do with this man you see I hope what his aime and end is in all his discourse You say we would hide knowledge from the people but I wish all men did know as much of good as I doe provided I did know no lesse then I doe and I have taken a great deal of pains in my private Studies and publique endeavours for that knowledge I have and if I know any easier way I would spare my paines You labour to bring all men off from our principles of Religion therefore know there is many hundreds of able Ministers and thousands of good Christians which are furnished with arguments against you and all the Jesuites in the world for my part I am not worthy to carry their books after many of them and I say you are a shame to the world and the Turks and Papists may laugh at us to see our division in our Church and I would not have this Auditorie juggled out of their Faith and if any man hath given any incouragement to such a Blasphemer as this is let them be humbled for it and do so no more and I shall Preach against it to my utmost endeavour for he doth overthrow all Ordinances of Baptisme and Sacraments which our Antient Fathers have used which he saith are not necessarie to salvation since Christ and so is an enemy to God Psalme 21. 8. I will end with this Thine hand shall finde out thy enemies that hate thee thou shalt make them as a fiery Oven in the time of thine anger the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath and the fire of hell shall devoure them CHAP. XIX Of Baptism how man is a fiery Oven of the fire and fuel that is to be burnt the Oven cleansed man living in it and how COppin That which I declare concerning Baptisme is that they have no ground from the Lord Jesus Christ by precept nor example to baptize with water Gaman a Anabaptist Let me speak now a word or two because you deny all Water-Baptisme Coppin Pray let me make an end with one first and then if you have any thing to say speak on but I say Baptisme with water upon any subject hath no ground from Christ whether by example nor command to be used since the Death of John being then fulfil'd by Christ and yet I denie it to none whose tender conscience doth desire it for I am become all to all that I win them to the truth as it is in Jesus through my love to them and the manifestation of Christ in them Rosewell Capt. Smith Pray let 's have done Robison I think you will never have done Coppin So far as you speak I must answer and there is one thing more therefore pray have patience for I must answer to this Scripture by him hinted in Psalm 21. 8. 9.
burne till it hath burnt up all the foundations and buildings of men in their several forms and Religions that are not founded upon Christ the Chief Corner Stone and this will be a Chaos and confusion and an end of the world to men And now what are you and what do you doe when you seek to imprison or banish this truth away from you which you know not and to stop those cleansing floods which the Lord hath opened in drie places for you and to quench those fierie coales which the Lord hath kindled amongst you to refine you you do but add a greater encrease to the truth for all that which is ungodlie selfish and wicked within you that hath opposed the truth shall be imprisoned by it and drowned with it yea it shall be burnt with the fire and melted with the heat until all be consumed and you dissolved into the nothingnesse of all things below God where you are all lost and you again swallowed up into his own Almightinesse where you are found in your true and everlasting Centre that sends you forth and takes you in at his pleasure And this is the begining and end of the world and of all your fighting against the truth to be lost and to be found to be and not to be and therefore look about you you that talk so much of the end of the world when Christ shall come do you know this end and when it shall be I will tell you my experience it is to your end and at your end that Christ doth come and therefore would you prolong his coming for his coming in will be your going out overturn overturn his rising will be your falling and his life will be your death for you are a lie and he is the truth therefore stay Lord Jesus and come not yet say you that know not his coming to be in you stay till the time of the end of the world which you would not have to be yet because your end must come with it but come Lord Jesus come quicklie say I and all those that know his coming to be in them that the world of sin death hell and all Devillishnesse may have an end in all men as in them that there may be no more wrath nor hatred no more fighting nor quarrelling disputing nor contending for the truth nor against the truth but that heaven and earth righteousnesse and truth may meet together and imbrance each other in all men and at all times places and things whatsoever according to the word and will of the Lord that there may be no more any thing at a distance neither truth nor error light nor darknesse day nor night but that in the evening there may be light and so but one day known to the Lord over all the earth one King and his name one But in the mean time you have here following Articles against the truth and answers for the truth The twenty five Articles called Blasphemy brought against Richard Coppin by the Ministers of Kent and for which he was sent to Prison with his Answers to them COppin First I denie all their Articles to be spoken by me as they are here laid down by them they having much abused my words and also my sense by their adding and diminishing yet for satisfaction to many people of the truth of that which may be in them I shall give a brief answer to them according to the plain sense of Scripture and the manifestations of God to men here on earth which so far as I ever knew in my self I alwaies declared and hid nothing of the counsel of God made known to men but for what God will do by man at the end of this life beyond what is revealed I leave also with him till he shall more reveal it Article 1. That all the Scriptures is but an Allegory that is all said he both Law and Gospel and that it is but an Allegory said he it is clear from Gal. 4. 24. Answer The whole Scripture of Law and Gospel the son of the Bond-woman and the Son of the Free-woman are the two Covenants in an Allegorie so saith Paul Gal 4. 24. which things saith he are an Allegory for those are the two Covenants The Allegorie is in this , Abraham had two sons the one by a Bond-maid the other by a Free-woman the Bond-maid is the Law or first Covenant the Free-woman is the Gospel or second Covenant in a mysterie and these also are the two Jerusalems Sina and Sion the one which is below as in bondage the other which is above as in freedome which are also the two mothers of the children after the flesh and the children after the spirit they who live by the works of the Law under the conditions of the first Covenant and so not all their sins to be forgiven them are the sons of the Bond-woman after the flesh and are in bondage with their mother to this day persecu●ing the sons of the Free-woman born after the spirit that lives by free grace and sees their sins pardoned Secondly the carnal mind of man is the son of the Bond-woman after the flesh minding the things of the flesh which is death the spiritual mind is the son of the Free-woman after the spirit minding the things of the spirit which is life for so it is written To be carnally mindad is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace and this son of the Bond-woman is to be cast out as no more to be remembred for he shall not be heir with the son of the free-woman for he understands not the things of the spirit of God but they are foolishnesse unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned but the spiritual man knoweth all things yea the deep things of God and therefore lives in God as in peace and freedome and is no longer in bondage Thus is the Scripture an Allegorie and a great Mysterie for great is the mysterie of godlinesse and saith Christ you erre not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God Article 2. That our Jesus took our defiled nature with sin and was a sinner in that nature Answer That Jesus Christ took on him our sinful nature and in it destroyed the sinfulnesse of it is a truth according to these Scriptures Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood Jesus Christ himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might also destroy him that had the power of death which is the Devil c. and God made Christ to be sin for us laid upon him the iniquities of us all and he did bear them in his own bodie on the Tree which is no blasphemie to say but that he should be a sinner in that nature I never said it neither do affirm as you would have it Article 3. That he was a cursed Goat for the Goats on the left hand