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A16999 A replie vpon the R.R.P.Th. VVinton. for heads of his divinity in his sermon and survey Hovv he taught a perfect truth, that our Lord vvent he[n]ce to Paradise: but adding that he vvent thence to Hades, & striving to prove that, he iniureth all learning & christianitie. To the most honorable henry prince of Great Britany. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612. 1605 (1605) STC 3881; ESTC S113850 11,782 50

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a ram was in a thicket fast b● the hornes So Isaak did l●ft vp his e●es and behold Camel were coming Gen. 24.63 And in the next vers Rebecca lifted vp her eyes saw Isaak And in Iacobs story six times that phrase cometh This spech being so vsuall no D. should bring strangenes vpon it But D. Bilson doth and trobleth the simple disputeth against himselfe For the vse of the phrase still argueth vevving in equal soyle An other terme chasma trobleth the right reuerēd father A deepe gulfe he doth expound it from his ovvne auctoritie Hiatus or gaping vvere fit vvhen a man gapeth men consider not hovv deepe the mouth ●s but hovv vvide In Zach. 14. ●n the lxx mount olevet shal be parted into a great chasma half ●astvvard half vvestvvard Ther the blind may see that no●●he depth but the vvidenes cometh to be considered So Babish ●he D. is in all his vvritting And ●is vnspeakable blindnes appea●eth in this He reiecteth heathē Greke vvith odious termes and ●reameth that the Apostles had ● peculiar Greke of their ovvne ●et euery vvhit of the N. Testament is penned in Greke as heathē or Ievves before vnderstood the phrases the heathen had held the Apostles vvicked Sophisters yf heathen termes had not bene in heathen sense or in schole poinctes such as Pharisees vvold graunt plain All trades haue peculiarity in generall vvordes dravving them to particular vnderstanding But then all of the faculty take them alike Four Grekes are in the Nevv testamēt These fovvr Grekes the Apostles haue The heathen vsed as heathen meant in speach to them or heathen termes vsed as the Greek translaters of the old testament vsed them or heathen termes applyed in nevv sort to Ebrevv plain by it self or heathen Greke applyed vnto Thalmudik or Ievves Doctors phrases Further cometh none by the Apostles The Diuels language goeth further in Abissos to the vvicked Cabalistes maner in Zohar vpon Gen. 1. Darkenes vvas vpon the face of the Pit Ther they say that resembled Gehenna call the depe Gehenna For all these poinctes D. Bilson shevveth himself a Babe sometimes goeth beyond all Hades nether by heathen nor lxx nor Apostles nor Thalmud is euer Hel. yet his headstrōg vnlerned head vvill have it so Halting afore Creples hoping by much babling to be heard The lxx take Abissus for the graue Ps 71.22 Thou diddest make me aliue againe diddest bring me again from the Abissos of the earth S. Paul Rom. 10. folovveth the very same phrase for the resurrection of the Lord saie not in thine hart who can go vp into heauen I meane to bring Christ downe or who can go downe to the pit I meane to bring Christ from the dead But yf thou confesse vvith thy mouth that Iesus is the ETERNALL beleue in thine hart that God hath brought him frō the dead thou shalt be saved S. Paul alluding to Moses Dauid Ionas spak to Ievves hovv in tvvo poinctes Diuinity stood telleth vvhat Moses all the Prophetes taught even the incarnation resurrection and expoundeth him self speaking of Ievves reiected shevveth their stubburnesse that having but tvvo poincts of difference the incarnation the resurrection both proved most strongly rebell against the light And here D. Bilsō leauing all heathen the lxx all the Prophetes Ebrevv all Thalmudiques can run to the Diuels Luc. 8. for a phrase VVheras vvhen S. Paul vvrote to the Romanes none in the vvorld had vsed Abissus for Hell sauing the Deuels in S. Lukes Gospell vvritten but seauen yeares afore Ievves of vvhom he spake neuer cared for S. Luke and denying both the incarnation resurrection vvold not heare of further matter neuer taught in Iuda and that spoken in termes meaning to all Ievves clean an other matter Hence all that haue eyes to see may behold hovv blind D. Bilson is vvhich hath nether Grammer nor Diuinity nor loue to the truth He citeth Oecumenius there and omitteth his vvordes that make this plain and dissembleth the best lerned Chrisostome This cauterized consciēce should be reproued sharply Novv the third kind of Grek the Apostles folovving the Ebrevv Deut. 30. D. Bilson litle considered hovv the going vp to heauen and going dovvne to Abissus is of our myndes not of our Lordes actions The chaldy exposition of heard termes in Moses maketh that plain The vvork is called Thargum Ierusalemi And thus it speabeth The law is not in the heauens to cause spech oh that we had one like Moses the Prophet that might goe vp into the heauens bring it vnto vs preach vnto vs the commaundements that we might doe them the Law is not beyond the great sea to cause speach oh that we had one Like Ionas the Prophet that might goe downe into the great sea bring it vs preach the commaundementes that we might doe them Thus the Chaldy shevveth that for our action of the mynd this vvas spoken as forbidding blame of hardenes in the Lavv. And the Rabbins vvhich haue in fragmentes yet the floures of all the N. Test they seme to haue turned these vvordes of old vnto the Gospell by this spech of Ionas in the vvalles belly The later Rabines compiled most auncient And for this cause S. Paul might take Abissus both for the graue as Oecumenius doth allude vnto the sea as Chrisostome taketh the vvord So it may be easily seene hovv for the Apostles trāslation of Ebrevv D. Bilson seeth nothing So had the sorovves of death act 2. are from Ps 18.5 Ps 116.3 a speach knovven to all Ievves for the naturall sorovves that alvvayes cometh vvhē the body is vvounded that the soule cannot tary in it And vvheras S. Peter act 2. vvas to shevv that the disciples did not steale the body of Iesus our sauiour but God omnipotent raised it vp disannulling the sores that vvere done by nailes speare D. Bilsō vvold have the terme death here to be the second death and that S. Peter should by terme of death in a iust soule meane the second death to make the holy Apostle the foolishest the vvickeddest that euer spak vvith tongue He had the resurrection of the body to speak of and vvher the gouernours vvere Sadducees beleeued not that soules vvere immortall vvisdome vvold that his tongue should giue no cause of further pleading till the resurrection of the body vvas graūted And though the Pharisees held soules to be immortall yet they beleued not that Messias should arise from death yf S. Peter should haue gone to further matter neuer heard that a iust soule should goe to hell vvherof no cause of spech vvas euer afore moued he had bē held not a teacher but a betrayer of Christianity Moreouer the terme of Second Death vvhich D. Bilson vvold haue meant by Peters terme of death is nether Ethnice nor in the lxx nor hath any Ebrevv in the Bible for it Therfore it should not vvel be vsed
in the Nevv Testament as in Iohn 17. I vvill that they be vvher I am 8. 2. Cor. 5. VVe knovv that if this earhtly tabernacle of ours be dissolved vve have a building from God an house not made vvith handes eternall in the heauens Thus the Nevv Testament speaketh most agreably to the Rabbines speach as it hath but tvvo poinctes differing from them the incarnation resurrection yf the Ievves can be persuaded of those tvvo they vvill admire all the rest as eloquently agreing vvith the pure and the best of their doctrine A Rabbin at Basil 1598. made this knovven to the Scholers there vvho being taught in longue speach hovv the Apostles excelled in all Thalmud skill vvhen the party vvas gone to Zurick desired the Professors to vvrite to them of Zurick to request him to returne But the party could not yet left in print that vvhich might move him moved one Ievv that novv is in Cambridge as Merchants of Stode say he confessed there to be a Christian by the CNOstantinopolitans Ievves petition of instruction from England and by ansvver to him And all vvould admire the Nevv Testament being expounded according to theyr speach to vvhō the bookes vvere vvritten But vvhen Latines vvhich vvere rude in the Greek and Hebrevv of the Apostles age must be cited by Doctours as rude darkenes confusion vvill take all D. Bilson ignorance thus appeareth He tooke in hand to defend Ar. VVhitgift that our Lord his soule vvent hence to Hel and not hence to heauen All sides agree that no further iourney vvas taken out of the body but the returne from Hades to it So he took in hand to defend D. VVhitgift But he betrayed him to his eternall shame in that he imprisonned many persecuted more and vrged some to death vpon consequentes for denying that our Lord vvent hence to Hell D. Bilson yet betrayeth him to smart for his hereticall disturbāce of the Church and ioineth against VVhitgift vvith the aduersarie that our Lord vvent hence to Paradise This matter is past all deniall that D. Bilson betrayeth Canterburies cause to shevv it to haue bene hereticall and Sathanean that the Prince might call him to heauy iudgement And vvhile D. Bilson is of any auctority D. Bancroft folovving D. VVh must needes be holden an heretique But this only is not D. Bilsons vvisdome more he hath VVheras he bringeth scripture for himself and his adversary must plead that King Edvvard the sixt vvas of his mynd and Q. E. and the King your graces father seing he sayth as doth his aduersarie and by D. Bilson God the Princes say the same it is euidēt that yf he rage against any one for saying that our Lord vvent hence to Paradise by scripture by our Princes faith by D. Bilsons faith he rageth against God against the Princes and his ovvne soule But all this doth D. Bilson His vvordes shall be commended plentifully to all posterity Thus they stande in his sermon book fol. 419. speaking to M. Iacob Tell then your abettour that all the realme vvill take him not only for a rayler against all honesty but a lyer against all duty that voucheth so confidently King Edvvard the sixt and his subiects held that Christ his soule never vvent to Gehenna and the realme knovveth the Qu. oath as also the Qu. aduentureth her eternall state These be not states to come vvithin his vncleane mouth He may doe vvell to remēber vvho they be of vvhom it is vvritten They despise gouernement and speake ill of them that be in authority as raging vvaues of the sea foaming out theyr ovvne shame Thus the vvise Doctour right reuerend father blasphemeth God the King rauing against that vvhich he himself proueth true by all strength that scripture and God hath But the right reuerend father is not con●ent vvith all this madnes to betray D. VVh and D. Bancroft and to proue his aduersaries cause by scripture and Princes consent and to raue against all but he vvill haue all Graecianes that euer haue bene to hold him vvitlesse That our Lord should goe from Paradise to Hades So he hath gone from vvinchester to England Graecians vvould tel him he might as vvel say the one as the other VVher Hades is generall and by circumstances of difference is sometime heauē sometime Hell And yf he care not for prophane Graecians oratours and Philosophers from vvhom a Greeke oration vvas printed at Francfurt against him and an other at Hannavv Greeke Diuines shall as generally damne him as voyd of faith herein none of them euer beleeved that any soule vvent from Paradise to Hades or yet to Gehenna But the extremity of his errour for vvhich all Christēdome should reproue him standeth in these vvordes for the meaning of the Creede They shal be vvritten in gteat letters that one rūning by may read vvhat fabulous Diuinity D. Bilson bringeth for the chief sentence of all our saluation and rebelling against the most clear light of our hope Fol. 154. of his Sermon book thus he dreameth THE SENSE OF THE CREDE MAY AND MVST BE THAT CHRIST AFTER HIS BODY VVAS BVRIED IN SOVLE DESCENDED TO THAT PLACE VVHICH THE SCRIPTVRE PROPERLY CALLETH HADES HEL These vvodes are past deniall vvhyle his copies continue and I meane to help him vvith some thousādes moo that if he vvill needes vvin the spurres the rovvelles may stick in his side Yf Paganes Machmadistes and Ievves should heare D. Bilsō make a sermon vvith these vvordes before D. Bancrofts G. vvith his approbation they vvould vvell might say that the foolishest of all Homers fables had as good Christianity as his G. that suffred this to be printed and the others Lp. that no more honored the Lord that as vve say bought him vvith his most precious blood No Christian euer thought that a mans soule vvent not to Hades till his body vvas buryed nor any in Homers Fables being avvaked only Achilles in a dreame of his knight Patrocles kild by Hector thus hard Patrocles soule complaine that the body being vnburied it could not goe to Hades Iliad 23. Slepest Achilles thou hast forgotten me thou neuer diddest so while I liued only since I died Bury me quicly that I may passe the gates of Hades The soules the formes of the dead keepe me alouff and suffer me not to passeouer the Ocean but I wander fondly by the soule of broadga●ed Hades Thus the right reuerend father may see that his Lp. hath no fellovv for Diuinity but his abettours and Achilles dreames The burgesses of the Parlement are very patient that lent him the title and revenues of a Lord after this Patroclean Divinity He that spake and the vvorld vvas made vvill send him to Hell for ever euer or teach him to reuerence better these vvordes Eb. 9. vvhen Christ came an high sacrificer of the good to come by a greater more perfect tabernacle not made vvith handes I meane not of this building nor by the blood of