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A44639	The seat of the scorner thrown down, or, Richard Hobbs his folly, envy and lyes in his late reply to my book called A looking-glass, &c manifested and rebuked whereunto is annexed my call from the Baptists, to walk in the true light : and a true testimony to the light and power of Christ in the heart with a few queries to the said R. Hobbs / by Luke Howard ; to which is added a further answer by T.R.	Howard, Luke, 1621-1699.; Howard, Luke, 1621-1699. Looking-glass for Baptists.; Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692. Water-Baptists reproach repeld.	1673 (1673)	Wing H2987; ESTC R6501	43,144	60

there was Bread enough without which I should have perisht forever yet for all this the Spirit of the World prevailed carrying me captive to the Law of Sin and Death but never into Lewd Ranting as falsly accused by this Night-Watch-man in which Day of Distress and great Loss came in the Year 1655 two of the Servants of the Lord preaching the Everlasting Gospel which was as Lightning arising out of the East and shining unto the West even through all in me to the very Thought in the Heart by the Word which is the Searcher and Discerner of them to the reaching unto the Seed of the Kingdom and declaring of a Body of Death standing notwithstanding Men's Profession of Religion unto which the Witness answered so that now I knew He that believeth the Gospel hath the Witness in himself and out of his Belly shall flow Rivers of Living Waters this spake he of the Spirit as it is written in the Scriptures of Truth which are to be read believed and fulfilled Reader this is pretious to read in the Eternal Light and Life and though this was in my Mouth sweet yet afterwards it became very bitter in the Daily Cross to my own Will and a Day of Sorrow and weeping I knew over him whom I had pierced so when it was Day I wished for Night and when it was Night I wished for Day this indeed was a Day of great Distress in which I saw the Abomination which made desolate stand where it ought not Then was I to understand what it meant what God's Will was in it in making of it manifest by his Grace the Light whose Will in the Light and Grace I saw was my Sanctification throughout in Soul Body and Spirit and here we leave the World that lies in Wickedness and the Professors of the Saints Words with all that have a Form of Godliness without the Power behind us in and amongst the many Opinions and Voices of Lo here and Lo there is Christ and so we come to know the Voice of the true Shepherd whose Voice we heard inwardly and abiding with him do forever hear in the Light the Word of Faith in the Heart that we may do it So that now I say By the Grace of God and Light within I am what I am and therefore is my Testimony amongst many Brethren to the Grace and Light within through a living Experience of the good Effects of it and against all these Baptist Watchmen of the Night who plead for Sin term of Life and are Backbiters Slanderers and Persecutors of the Innocent and there will he have his Ministers conclude their doctrine and his Servants their Work who must all be paid off with his own Reward of Torment with him and his Angels forever which will be also the State and Condition of all Hypocrites and Rebellers against the Light if they repent not And this my Testimony agrees with the Testimony of the Servants of the Lord in Ages past But to return to that which was to me bitter when the Lord had lighted my Candle and with it searched my innermost Parts then the Body of Death out of which ariseth all Unrighteousness appeared indeed like a Mountain of Blackness and Darkness So that I saw no Way how to get over it and was ready to faint in my Mind but the Lord whose Love is great and also hath Respect to the bruised Reed and smoaking Flax and will it neither break nor quench until he bring forth Judgment unto Victory supported me by the more sure Word of Prophecy unto the which I did well to take heed as to a Light which shined in my dark Heart untill the Day dawned and the day Star did arise therein and then sprung a secret Hope in God and the Word of his Grace whose promise rise in my Heart That he would cleave the Rocks and the Mountains that the Redeemed of the Lord might come to Sion and now Glory be unto his Name his Promise is fulfilled in a good Measure and all along unto this Day and still is it a support unto me in the midst of all my Troubles and Tryals in my Travels from Death to Life in which my Temptations have been many yea very many both within and without in the Daily Cross but still was and is the Lord in the Light a God at Hand making good his Promises unto his own Seed in whom they are all yea and amen saith my Soul in a living Experience in which I have a Testimony to bear for the Lord to the Grace Spirit Light and Life of Christ Jesus and that it is sufficient for me and all Men in this Age as it was for Paul in that Age and Time of his deepest Exercises for every true Believer hath the Witness in himself by a living Experience and he who hath not hath no just Claim to the Promise of God in Christ Jesus declared of in the holy Scriptures for the Scriptures were given forth in the Light by the Motion of Life in the holy Men of God as in them it moved for after Ages to read and believe and in the Light to wait for the fulfilling of them and not for Men to make a Trade and a Gain of nor yet for Men to live in the Profession of take up a Rest short of the fulfilling of them as all the Night-Watch-men and Children of the Night do who plead against the Light and for Sin term of Life and so can be no true Witnesses for God in their Generation though their Profession may be large of the Prophets Christ and the Apostles words with varieties of Voices and Opinions crying Lo here and Lo there is Christ but he said Believe them not for as the Lightning ariseth in the East and shineth unto the West through all even so shall be and so is the Coming of the Son of Man the Second Adam the Quickening Spirit the Lord from Heaven who according to the Flesh is declared to be the Son of David but according to the Spirit the Son of God by the Resurrection from the Dead which we called Quakers believe and live in the Hope of witness against all the Night-Watch-men and False Accusers which say we deny it and herein according to the Spirit must all come to know him yea and him worship serve fear and obey that ever receive Peace by him And this is a true and Faithful Testimony against the Watch-men of the Night and the Opposers of the Light of Jesus Christ within born through a living Experience to the Light of Jesus which we make mention of and no other in whom is Life and his Life is the Light of Men to lead all into Salvation that follow it and to condemn all the Disobedient unto it for this is the Condemnation that Light is come and Men love Darkness rather then Light because their Deeds are Evil and he that loves the Light brings his Deeds unto it that he may know

not the People yet we do not read of any but Blasphemers against God so perverse as this Night-Watch-man is to charge the true Prophets Spirit with the false Prophets Presumption and Wickedness as he doth the Light of Christ our Principle with C. B's Presumption and Wick●dness And then again Antichrist the Man of Sin he sits in the Temple of God and saith that he is God and under the Name of Christ doth work in the Mystery of Iniquity and so doth great Evils under the Name of Christianity as this day we see Christendom full of Abomination by which it is become as a Wilderness for Beasts of Prey to live in now is it kind Dealing with the Christians to charge them to be led by the spirit of Antichrist because he pretends to the same ●pirit which the true Christians are led by Nay would not this Watch man think himself wronged to be so charged yea surely but if he were yet were he not so much wronged as we are by his charging our Principle with C. B's spirit and the Effects thereof for if our Fellowship stood only in outward and bodily Exercise as the Fellowship of Water-dipping and Christendom's Fellowship by Sprinkling doth then might our Principle be the easier charged with his spirit but because our Principle the Light the Grace the Word of the invisible God is that in which our Fellowship stands with God in Holiness and Truth therefore not to b● judged by the Practice of Evil Men and this to wit their Carnal Fellowship is the cause of their thus Opposing Gain saying and Blaspheming against the Light of Christ which whosoever walketh therein hath Fellowship with God and one with another And this Night-Watch-man saith If this to wit Bayly 's Actions be not a Proof of Bayly being in Fellowship with the Quakers then he knows not what is and here I believe him that our Fellowship he knows not no more then Christendom at large doth and in this his Ignorance must we leave him till he can believe in the Light which will give him to see and know wherein our Fellowship stands Another Proof that C. B. was in Fellowship with the Quakers he had because some joyned with him in Prayer and heard him Preach and one fell on the Ground which is now none of the smallest Quakers in Dover saith this Accuser All this proves not the Matter no more then the Weakness of a Young Child can p●ove the Strength of a Strong Man and now is it Reasonable to judge the Principle of the Quakers by the Actions of them which were but just then as it were convinced and being very young and tender as I said before in my Looking-Glass for the Baptists they could not easily discern and were afraid to judge And now to judge the Principle and Fellowship by such surely amongst Wise Men this will be counted Folly and condemned for Prejudice And in pag. 9. he saith If Duke Howard had proved by some convincing Arguments that the Quakers Light is Christ as he Scoffingly calls it and then made it appear that the Baptists had Blasphemed in denying that Men are Redeemed and justified by that L●ght within themselves and not rather by Faith in the Death the Resur●ection and Ascension of Christ without us for us which is the ch●ef Point in Controversie between us saith this Opposer of Christ the Life and Light of Men and so indeed it is and now that I have in my first Answer proved and in this second also that Christ is the true Light which lighted every Man that comes into the World is as clear as the Sun But saith this Scoffer at the Light that if he had prov'd that the Quakers Light is Christ c. as if the Quakers Light and the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World were two here we affirm to all the World that we never spoke of any other Light in us but that which all Men are lighted with even Christ a Light to lighten the Gentiles and the Glory of Israel and if this Christ the Light Life Wisdom and Power of God be not in us Governing and Ruling we are Reprobate as well as others according to the whole currant of Scripture which is the Mystery hid from the Rebellious in all Ages and Generations but in all the Obedient Christ within the Hope of Glory and Christ in you except you be Reprobates said Paul and this is our Light wherein our Fellowship stands with God and one with another and this all are Ignorant of who make it their Business to Gainsay him in his second Appearance in the Light and Spirit in which we are to know him to our Souls Salvation if ever we be saved from Sin by him And now what is written in the holy Scripture concerning Christ Jesus his Birth Sufferings Death Resurrection and Ascension we do believe as much as any men living and so I do believe Paul did who said Henceforth know we him no more It is also said by John He that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh is born of God Do not the Papists Protestants and all Sects yea even Drunkards and Lyars that are shut out of the Kingdom and all called Christians confess to the truth of God's manifesting himself in the Body of Jesus which he had prepared to do the Will in even from the Birth to the Ascension But will or dares any man say that those are born of God because all those confess God manifested himself in Flesh and this Faith is as much as this Night-Watch-man pleadeth for or doth believe of Christ in point of Justification as his own words witness against him saying But rather in Christ without us for us To which I answer by living Experience That Christ Jesus who offer'd up his Body through the Eternal Spirit and pour'd out his Soul unto Death and tasted Death for every man those his Sufferings have a living Extent unto every one that doth believe and feel the Power by which he laid down that Body and took it up again and these are they unto whom he becomes a Saviour from Sin and gives them an Inheritance into Glory and those which believe only the offering up of the Body and feel not that eternal Power to save from Sin made manifest to them in his spiritual hight cannot have a real Sense and Feeling of the Benefit of his Death whatsoever they may pretend to of Faith in his Blood neither can they have Salvation to their Souls and this is my Answer as a Testimony to the true Faith and Christ of God a Quickning Spirit the same yesterday to day and forever who was Glorified with the Father before the World began from Everlasting to Everlasting the Rock of Ages and so Israel's Rock which they drunk of for they drunk of the Rock which follow'd them which Rock was Christ the Foundation of all the Generations of the Righteous in all Ages Christ

years backward to smite with the Fist of Wickedness and persecute the Innocent with your Tongues for want of power in your Hands to effect your Wills whose Opinions we well know and much more then is here said and what is here said is not there a cause for it let the Unbyassed in Heart and Mind judg● in the Case and let the Lord judge who judgeth not as man in the Fall judgeth but will judge Righteous Judgement But to return Now this Man your Root is gone and many which knew him not are gotten into his Form crying up your Water-Baptism as the Jews did Circumcision and a Temple with other things which God commanded in its Day as was Baptism to John which was to decrease but the one Baptism of Christ by the one Spirit into the one Body was to increase as John testified of him and stands a Witness in the Holy Scriptures against you all And so we say There is one Lord one Faith and one Baptism to be contended for and to be lived in by all who are of the Church which is in God of which Christ Jesus is the Head World without end when all things which are seen shall have an End And this Testimony lives in my Heart for God That it is neither Baptism nor not Baptism in Water that availeth any thing no more then Circumcision but a New Creature here read yourselves and as many as walk according to this Rule to wit of the New Creature Peace be unto them and to the whole Israel of God and now Wisdom is justified of her Children and every Tree is known by its Fruit so are you to all whose Eyes are open to see your Folly and Envy in raking Ten Years back as if you had sate brooding the Cockatrice Egg all this time to hatch forth the Serpent's Seed of Envy to come behind and bruise the Heel of an Innocent People which have deny'd and do deny and all along our Principle hath been against such spirits as C. Bayly's was of Ten Years since and is of now But Richard Hobbs who takes to hims●●f the name of Pastor of the Baptists in Dover s●●th in p●g● 7. of their Hatcht up Envy That ●f the Quaker● should de●● Charles Bayly to be owned a very eminent Man amongst them at the time of his Imprisonment that then they will render themselv●● 〈…〉 Persons that ever professed Religion Thus Capera●●● 〈…〉 ex●lts himself as it he spoke Truth and knew all the Q●●●●●s Minds at that time but his Anger over-ruli●g his Knowledge 〈◊〉 to seek of his Proof although he seems to prov●●t by his com●●● on Lords Day after as he saith to the Prison and there saw C. B. and most of the Quakers in Town with him and he Pray'd and some of them kneeled A poor Proof He there neglects relating That several of he Men Friends were then Prisoners in Dover Castle and besides amongst them at Liberty there were some which did not own C. Bayley so much as R. Hobbs reporteth of though to him it was not declared and besides Anne Howard my Wife I being then a Prisoner in the Castle did so far disown him that she sent up to London to the Elders of Friends and gave them an Account of his mad Actions who sent down two Friends to look after him and they testified against him when they saw him this Friends did not acquaint the Baptists with who we knew waited for Mischief but Friends Care was of him to preserve him if possible and to restore him in the Spirit of Meekness and Love as our Duty is according to Scripture but when no Recovery can be then deny'd as he was and is to this day And how can be charge the Principle or Body of our Friends with him save Envy it self And besides those Friends which chiefly were with him in the Prison were young Convinced and tender and could not easily discern and afraid to judge not knowing what to say but to us in the Castle Prison when they came up to us they would speak as it was but this did not we see meet to acquaint the Baptists with but rather endeavoured to get him to London which was done in order to his Recovery so that Friends are clear of him in the sight of God and according to Scripture although the Baptists in envy seek to lay Stumbling-blocks in the way of the Simple by it so do transgress the Law of God and Scriptures which they in words call their Rule which say Thou shalt not lay a Stumbling-Block in the way of the Blind but shalt fear thy God But they shew their Spirit to the full and the Lord judge between us and them for his Seed's sake And surely if these men had been in the dayes of Christ and the Apostles they would have done as the Jews did lay blame to the Life and Doctrine of them because of Miscarriages in Judas and others of which the Scripture declares much and that through them the Name of God was blasphemed but surely the Blasphemers were to bear their burden from the Lord as well as the Cause-givers and so mus● all now for the Lord will not be mocked but as every one sows so must he reap even the fruits of their own doings and so must you for all your Blasphemy against the Light of Jesus which we declare of which every man is lighted withal according to the Scriptures though you presumpuously sometimes call it Natural and scoffingly and enviously the Quakers dark Light with many more blasphemous words as the Jews of old did in whose steps you are found walking and whose works you are found doing in the spirit of envy which said This is the Heir come let us kill him that the Inheritance may be ours now he that envyeth is a Man-slayer or Murderer and we know that no Murderer hath Eternal Life abiding in him and we may justly desire of the Lord to be delivered from such unreasonable men which so shew your Teeth as very ready to bite if you had but power crying out in a publick Assembly of Baptists in Dover That he which answered your false Accusations of eight or mine years Envy deserv'd to have his Ears nail'd to the Pillory for only his setting two Letters for his Name which shews your spirit to all wise men sufficiently And therefore let your Profession be what it will the body of death is standing in you in which the Persecutor and Murderer lives for how unlike a true Christian are your works in raking for matter ten years back to beget in people an evil Opinion of the Quakers and what will you get by it amongst the wise in Heart but shame and contempt for our Rock is not as your rock is as late experience hath shown our Enemies themselves being Judges and now you shew what seed you are of by biting at our Heels and smiting us with the Fist of Wickedness and persecuting us with your Tongues

THE SEAT OF THE SCORNER Thrown Down OR Richard Hobbs his Folly Envy and Lyes in his late Reply to my Book called A Looking-Glass c. Manifested and Rebuked Whereunto is annexed my Call from the BAPTISTS to walk in the True LIGHT And a True Testimony to the Light and Power of Christ in the Heart With a few QUERIES to the said R. Hobbs By Luke Howard To which is added a further Answer by T. R. He that is first in his own Cause seemeth Just but his Neighbour cometh after and searcheth him out Prov. 18.17 The Lip of Truth shall be established forever but a Lying Tongue is but for a Moment Prov. 12.19 Printed in the Year 1673. TO THE READER Reader INto whose hands this may come for your sakes who are so much troubled that there should be so much contending and as you say striving betwixt People professing Religion this know that we called Quakers are forced thereunto and that for Righteousness sake for the Lord knows it is so because the Baptists began first with us as soon as the King gave Liberty they fell on us as David said laying to our Charge things we knew not of Lying Stories of seven Years old out of Lincolnshire of one Richard Anderson of Panton which never was at a Quakers Meeting in his Life but at many Baptists Meetings as appears by their own Writing and so in Hypocrisie would cloath him with a Quaker by Name who was rather a Baptist and only because he at some times after his own manner would speak of the Light Within against them which Light these Men so hate that for a little spoken from a Man which was never one of us neither in Reality nor yet in Formality they should make so much a do and such a Cry of to the World as they have done and would have the World judge of the Light of Christ which we say every Man is lighted with by the Carriage of him who was so near themselves And now mark because our Friends gave an Answer in plain Truth to their false Charge Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover as he calls himself in Envy undertook to write a Relation of one Charles Bayly of his Miscarriages Ten or Eleaven Years old and because a deal of his Mad Actions were true for which he must bear his own Burden therefore they thought that that should crown their Lyes in their former Story from Lincolnshire and so they Printed them together but his spirit to wit C. B. and his Work we did and do deny as by the Looking-Glass for Baptists doth at large appear unto which I refer the Reader So that I am thus constrained for Righteousness sake to appear in Print once more by way of Reply unto this Scoffer's Night-Labour a Work which he hath been Sixteen Years exercising in and of late he hath began in Print to shew the Fruit of his Labour against the Light Within and snarling at the Heels of those who believe in it and although he reads in the Scriptures which he calls his Rule That many are Called and few Chosen yet is his Eye so watching for Evil that the Fall of one Called and not Chosen is to him a rich Feast as appears by his first and second Printing of the Miscarriages of one Charles Bayly and if his last had not been redoubling of his Evil in Envy in his first by Lying Scoffing and Mocking I might have rested at this time in Silence knowing right well that my first Answer to his Envious Charge against the Light of Christ Jesus is clear enough without Rubbing as he scoffingly calls it to his first and might have served for this second also to all Impartial Minds Luke Howard THE Seat of the Scorner Thrown Down c. ANd now Reader because I am accused in pag. 9. of this Night-Watch-man's Labour of my leaving the Ordinances of God as he calls them I shall here give a brief Account of my leaving the People called Anabaptists in their carnal Water-dipping and elementary Worship where I with many more were as now many are looking for the Living among the Dead and in our meeting in those dayes and performing our Work and Duty as we then thought in that which we call'd Gospel-Faith even then would God's Witness the Light arise and shew me that we were not in the Gospel-Faith which we so much professed and that we were not Baptized by the One Spirit into the One Body Here the Lord in the Light put me to a stand and set me spiritually to commune with my own Heart in a weighty Sense of my own Condition and then in the Light I saw That we were all ignorant of the One Baptism and One Faith as well as of the One Lord and one Body into which that Baptism gives an enterance It is true we were dipped in Water in Hope of Life and Peace and call'd Brothers and Sisters by Water-dipping but that Formality satisfied not the Cry of my Soul which was still in me after spiritual Knowledge and Acquaintance with the Lord which by the Light shining in my Heart I saw was not to be had in carnal Water notwithstanding Men do so much quote Mat. 28. for Water-dipping unto which in the Baptists Looking-Glass I have spoken fully in pag. 12 13. unto which I refer the Reader But to return Then I became very much dissatisfied and constrain'd to for sake those things People in their Observations and that for good Conscience sake which I once practiced while the Vail was over my Heart in a Day of great Reproach here I was willing to forget those that things were behind in the Death and press forward after Life which they in their dayes were Shaddows of and that is all they ever were but now there is but one Lord one Faith and one Baptism At that time one of the Preachers asked me when separated Why I would not walk with them My Answer was Because neither they nor I was in the Gospel Faith and that if ever I should know it that it would be as plain to me as I saw the Door with my Natural Eye And now hath the Lord sealed that Faith unto me in the Light by which I then saw my self out of it everlasting Praises be unto his Name forever Then my Life became as it were alone and like a Wanderer seeking Rest for the Cry continued and the Witness attended but I knew it not to be the Gift of God's Grace and that the Reproof of Instruction given by it was the Way to Life and so took little Warning by it more then to live a kind of a desolate Life for want of Peace of Conscience with the Lord and in this State would I Weep and Cry in secret for want of true Bread to give Life to my Soul which lay in Death yet would I not return again to those empty Shaddows though importuned thereunto but the Father's House I sought where