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A77832 A vindication of the book called, Some Gospel-truths opened; according to the Scriptures, and the opposition made against it by Edward Borrough, a professed Quaker, (but proved an enemie to the truth) examined and confuted by the word of God. And also, the things that were then laid down, and declared to the world by me, are a second-time born witness to, according to truth: with the answer of Edward Burrough to the quæries then laid down in my book reproved. And also, a plain answer to his quæries, given in simplicitie of soul; and is now also presented to the world, or who else may read, or hear them; to the end (if God will) that truth may be discovered thereby. / by John Bunyan ... Bunyan, John, 1628-1688.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.; Bunyan, John, 1628-1688. Some gospel-truths opened according to the Scriptures. 1657 (1657) Wing B5606; ESTC R170889 81,202 76

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Jesus to be head in us and over us and our selvs to be members of his body which thou saiest is his Church And what thou intendest by making so many foldings in one quaery saiest thou it may be judged it is to insnare and in that thou answerest thou answerest thy self for us in some things that thou mightest have a further ground to lay a deeper snare we do deny thee and thy spi it and see thee to bee onely feeding in thy imaginations upon the report of things without the life And thy Religion stands in Disputes and Controversies and Quaeries and many words But our Religion stands in the exercise of a pure conscience towards God and toward man whether we speak or be silent These are thy words Answ Now in my Quaery thou saiest I slander in that I say You Quakers allow of no other body of Christ but the Church of Christ yet doest thou not clear thy self at all onely thou wouldest say something to dazle the eies of the ignorant But friend if thou wouldst have made it appear that I slandered in saying you own no other body but the Church you should have said Yes we do own this That Christ hath a body that is now in glorie ascended from his Disciples according to the Scripture Act. 1.3 compared with ver 9 10 11. But thou doest onely fling up a few words into the air that thou mightest thereby puzzle thy simple Reader But I blesse God for my part I do see thee that thou doest like a beguiled man seek by all means to beguile others And whereas thou saiest It is sufficient to salvation to know Christ Jesus as head in us and over us To this I answer whatsoever thy meaning is by these words yet there is none shall be saved but those who through the mighty operation of the spirit of Christ are inabled to applie what the man Christ Jesus the son of Mary hath done and suffered and is now a doing for sinners and saints and for him in the presence of his Father now ascended in his body of flesh and bones from his children which are alive in this world I say there is none shal be saved but those that are thus established or shal be so as is clear from these 1 Pet. 1.18 19. 2.24 3.18 22. 4.1 2 Pet. 1.17 Heb. 7.24 10.7 9. 7.24 25. 13.12 1 Tim. 2.5.6 Eph. 1.7 Act. 12 37 38 39. with many other Scriptures And again when you say I answer you in something if you mean that the body in which he did bear the sins of his children is his Church for that is partly my Quaery then do I say that your doctrine is desperate and divelish and you do thereby undervalue the death blood resurrection ascension intercession and second coming again of that man for salvation and therefore for a better satisfaction to all who may read your book I intreat you to answer Did he bear our sins in that body which is his Church or did he bear our sins in that body that did hang on the Cross on mount Calvary Answer plainly I beseech you And now friend passing by the rest of thy bawlings I shall come to thy several Quaeries and shall answer to them in the simplicitie of my soul not laying down any doubtful expressions but in all plainness and not as you do for the better understanding of them by those that read them These be the Quakers Quaeries and my Answers to them 1. Quaer Is any man justified in the sight of God but he that followeth Christ and is it not a work to follow Christ yea or nay and what is the sight of God Answ He that followeth Christ aright must first believe in Christ for how shall they follow him in whom they believe not Now then the Scripture saith He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life Joh ●● 16 17 18. so then we are justified by believing and if so than to follow Christ is rather a fruit of our be●ieving than justification it self And whereas you ask What is the sight of God I answer To be justified in the sight of God by Jesus Christ is for God to look on such poor creatures as we are as compleat without spot or wrinkle in the obedience of the man Christ Jesus who otherwise could not behold them in love because of their iniquity Hab. 1.13 2. Quaer Whether will that faith justifie a man which hath not works seeing the Scripture or the Apostle saith faith witbout works is dead and what is that which worketh faith and where is it within or without Answ That faith that hath not works is dead being alone Yet it doth not follow that all that have works have faith No but contrariwise men may have works yea the works of the Law of God too and yet be under the curse which they could not bee if they had saving faith So then if faith without works is dead Gal. 3.10 11 12 13. and again if men may have works and yet no faith no saving faith I mean Then it will be good to enquire what it is to have a right faith which doth bring forth right good works and who have works without a right faith And first a right saving faith is for a man to be enabled of God's holy Spirit to lay hold on what the man Christ hath done in his own person when he was in the world as his birth righteousnesse death blood resurrection ascension and intercession and to apply the virtue and merit thereof to himself so as to see himself saved thereby Rom. 3.24 25. Being justified freely by his grace How Even through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation or reconciler through faith in his blood c. Again Be it known unto you that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins and by him all that believe mark all that believe namely in his blood which was shed on mout Calvary are justified from all things from which they could not be justified by the Law of Moses Act. 13.38 39. If the faith that applies these thing be of the operation of God it is very much accompanied with good works For the love of Christ constrains us because we thus judge that if one died for all then were all dead And that he died for all that we which live namely by the faith of this that Christ died for all Gal. 2.20 should not henceforth live to our selves but to him that died for us 2 Cor. 5.14 15. But secondly they that deny the merits of the birth death righteousnesse blood c. of the man that was born of Mary which he fulfilled in his own person by himself Heb. 1.2 I say they that do not venture their souls on these glorious mysterious truths but deny the belief of them to be sufficient of themselvs to save from hell and all other
commendeth his love to us-wards in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us While we were yet sinners yet ungodly Rom. 5.6 7 8. Nay he did not onely die for those who still live in sin but he also makes intercession now at the throne of his Fathers grace for them And he made intercession for the transgressors Isa 53.12 He hath ascended on high he hath led captivity captive and received gifts for men For what men Even for the rebellious also Psal 68.18 To what end That the Lord God might dwell amongst them And whereas thou askest Doth he justifie that which the Law condemneth before the work of the Law be finished I answer That at that very time when Jesus Christ did hang on the Crosse on mount Calvary was buried rose again from the dead and ascended above the clouds from his Disciples at that very time was all the law fulfilled for righteousnesse He is the end of the Law mark he is the end of the Law for righteousnesse But if there were any thing yet to be done for justification which was not then done there could not be an end put to the Law for righteousnesse for every one that believeth But in that there is an end put to the Law for righteousnesse by Jesus for all the elect of God Christ having once fulfilled it for them It is manifest that there was not anything then left undone by Christ at that time which was afterward to be done by his owne Spirit in his Children for justification onely believe what the man Christ at that time did do and be saved Acts 13. from ver 29. to ver 39. And whereas thou asketh whether Christ did justifie that which the Law condemneth I answer Fourthly That though Christ Jesus did not justifie sins or ungodlynesse yet he justifieth the ungodly Now to him that worketh is the reward given or reckoned not of grace but of debt But to him that worketh not but believed on him that justifieth the Ungodly marke the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousnesse He is he that justifieth having finished the righteousness of the Law in his own person for them My own arme brought Salvation saith he But how Even by his bleeding on the Crosse You have redemtion through his bloud· Eph. 1.7 which was shed without the gate Heb. 13.12 I and through the Law condemneth a sinner yet let but that sinner believ in Christ in what he ha●h done in his own person and he shall be justified from all things from which he could not be justified by the Law of Moses Acts. 13.39 And whereas thou askest me the meaning of that Scripture Not one tittle of the Law shall fai e till all be fulfilled I answer That the Law hath already been fulfilled for justification for every one that believe h And a believer is to do nothing for justification onely believe and be saved though that Law be a rule for every one that believeth to walke by but not for justification But if you do not put a diffe●ence between justification wrought by the man Christ without and s●nctification wrought by the Spirit of Christ within teaching believers their dutie to their GOD for his love in giving Christ You are not able to divide the Word aright but contrarywise you corrupt the Word of God and cast stumbling blockes before the people And will certainly one day most deeply smart for your folly except you repent Here is a plain answer that may satisfie the simple The Lord God grant that they may lay it to heart effectually Now this I say further that if God inable any to receive this Doctrine aright namely what I said even now it will more engage the soule to God then all the threatnings thunder-claps and curses that come from the Law it selfe And a soule will do more for God seeing it selfe redeemed by the blood of the Lambe the son of Mary John 1.29 then if hee had all the conditions of the Law to fulfill and might be sure to have heaven for the fulfilling of them Now as to the assurance thou speakest of at the end of thy question I know in the first place that though believers themselvs do sin yet they have an Advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous 1 Joh. 2.1 2. And though the doctrine of the Gospel be to abstain from all appearance of evil yet our Lord Jesus Christ is so pitiful as not altogether to deprive his children of an assurance of their salvation * For the proofe of this read the good love of God to David Peter others which did most wofully sin again after they were converted though somtimes through weakness they do transgresse And whereas you would lay an assurance on our obedience to the Law I say our assurance comes through our believing and our obedience to the Law is a fruit of our believing for every one that hath this hope that he is one of the children or sons of God by faith in Jesus 1 Joh. 3.3 purifieth himself as he is pure Holinesse of life if it be right flows from an assurance of our being justified by Christs death on the Crosse on mount Calvary as it is written again that he might sanctifie his people with his own blood he suffered without the gate But again pa e 12. thou seemest offended because I say They are deeeived who think to obtain salvation by following the Law which they call Christ though falsly Why shouldst thou be offended at this when the Scripture saith plainly That by the works of the Law shall no flesh living be justified in his sight for by the Law is the knowledge of sin Rom 3.20 But this is thy frothie argument The Law convinceth and is our Schoolmaster to bring us to Christ therefore the Law is not taken away saiest thou Friend what is this to the purpose Must wee seek fot Justification by the works of the Law because the Law convinceth you may as well say we must seek for justification from our consciences because they do convince Now where the Scripure saith the Law was our Schoolmaster to bring us to Christ do you think it means we must be first fitted by purification of our selvs by or according to the Law before we can be saved by Christ from the curse of the Law If you s●y yea Then doth not this f●llow that Christ Jesus did not come to save sinners but to save the righteous and if so then you must say that Christ Peter Paul and all the servants of the Lord are liers who have testified that Christ died not for the godly but for the ungodly and sinners But where the Scripture saith The Law was our Schoolmaster to bring us to Christ I ask again is it the Ceremonial Law or the Moral Law that is meant in this place If you say the Moral or the Ten Commandements I answer That doth not lead to life and so not to Christ but is properly