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A34470	A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was	Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659.	1656 (1656)	Wing C6094; ESTC R215454	85,329	113

which I know and which you say is a mysterie Secondly consider the death you are to be raised from and that is the death that all men died in the state of the first Adam and do still die by reason of sin from which death all shall be raised to life in Christ the second Adam Now the wages of sin is death and that death which sin doth bring on man is the same death that Christ doth raise him from For you who were dead in sins and trespasses hath he quickned and if ye be risen with Christ seek the things which are above where Christ siteth at the right hand of God which is spoken in the Presentence and not in the Future and cannot be meant of the rising of our corporal bodies after laid in the grave which I question whether those that talk so much of that do yet know this spiritual Resurrection which I hereby declare to you all and if any one can tell us of another Resurrection of the same body of flesh blood and bones again as it was let him declare that as I have declared this for I denie nothing which by any other can be proved but the Scripture saith That flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption therefore blessed and happy are all they which have their part in this first Resurrection for of such the second death hath no power but they live and raign with Christ Thirdly As there is a bodie to be raised so there is also a bodie to be destroyed and that is the bodie of sin and death which is to die and no more to live For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousnesse that is of Christ And in Rom 6. there is a Resurrection from sin to newnesse of life spoken of by the Apostle that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so should we walk before him in newnesse of life for if we have been planted together in the likenesse of his death we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the bodie of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin Rosewell 2 Tim. 2. 18. But there were false Prophets among them as there are false Teachers among you which say the Resurrection is past already and so bring in damnable errors to overthrow the saith and we see there were some in the Apostles daies which did deny a corporal Resurrection Coppin Do you instance that Scripture as to a corporal Resurrection which speaks nothing of it you do add to that Scripture the word corporal and you know the punishment of him that addeth thereto or diminisheth therefrom Again I do not say the Resurrection is past already for it is not yet come to you nor many more therefore your Scripture is to no purpose against me for I say it is to come as well as alreadie come and that it shall continue until the Day of Judgment be ended or till all that shall be are raised and set free in this spiritual Resurrection from death hell or the grave in which they lie imprisoned and buried by reason of sin but the Sadduces who denie the Resurrection hold there is neither Angel nor Spirit and that do not I. Rosewell I shall prove the Resurrection of the body from Job 19. Where Job saith He shall see God with those eyes at the last day 1 Cor. 15. Paul saith If the dead rise not then is our preaching vain and your faith is vain and you are yet in your sins And Job saith Though wormes destroy his bodie yet in this flesh in this bodie shall I see God which doth clearlie prove a corporal Resurrection but I shall give him rope till night Coppin Add not to the Scripture for there is no such bodily Resurrection spoken of as you declare 1 Cor. 15. 12. so on pray see friends Paul doth not speak of a corporal Resurrection but tells them of the Resurrection of the Dead and saith That if Christ be not risen then all our Preaching and Believing is in vain and we are yet in our sins Clearlie intimating that the Resurrection of Christ doth assure them of their being raised from sin to walk with God in newnesse of life For saith he you are sown a natural body but you are raised a spiritual body and a spirituall bodie is not flesh and bones therefore not the same bodie as you say it is and would have it to be Rosewell There shall be eyes hands and feet Coppin That there shall be eyes hands and feet you are yet to prove Rosewell Job saith He shall see God with those eyes and that in this his flesh he shall see God Againe the Scripture saith That they which are alive and them which are dead shall be raised and all of them shall meet the Lord only this corruptible must put on incorruptible and this mortall must put on immortalitie Again the bodies of Believers are the Temples of the Holy Ghost 1 Cor. 6. and the Temples of Jesus Christ therefore the same bodies shall be raised at the last day Coppin You also bring Job to prove a Corporal Resurrection of flesh blood and bones and that this Resurrection and seeing God with those eyes was not to be till after the death of his visible bodie as you say but I say here is a mysterie and a spiritual sense to be understood in these words Job 19. where he saith I know my Redeemer liveth and that at the last day I shall s●e him stand upon the earth and though after my skin worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God whom I shall see for my selfe and mine eyes shall behold and not anothers though my reins be consumed within me But to understand this you must know how he is the Redeemer and when also what is meant by the last day and the earth which he shall stand upon and what eyes shall behold him c. Now his Redeemer was the Lord and did then live in Job though he knew it not that he should see him at the last day is a truth but what this last day was and the manner how he should see him that he knew not till the time came that he saw him in himselfe therefore you shall find that Job was then in darkness and under much affliction uttering words without knowledg for which he was reproved first by the Prophet Elihu secondlie by the Lord thirdlie he confest it first the Prophet reproved him Job 33. Chap. 35. 16. Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vaine he multiplieth words without knowledg Job 38. 1. 2. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsell by words without knowledg gird up now thy loynes like a

Thine hand shall finde out all thine enemies thy right hand shall finde out those that hate thee thou shalt make them as a fiery Oven in the time of thine anger the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath and the fire shall devoure them There is no man so wicked nor so righteous in himself but the Lord will find him out and will make him as an Oven in which he will kindle his fire to burn up the briers and thorns to wit mans sins and iniquities which man is full of and against which the fire of his anger is revealed that he may devoure them but not man for all mans works shall be burnt and he himself shall be saved so as by fire as it is written Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated though they tumbled both in one bellie Jacob is the good even the spirit Esau is the evil even the flesh and everie one hath this Jacob and Esau within them for a time but Esau which is flesh shall be burnt by Jacob which is the spirit the flesh shall be destroyed but the spirit saved and so saith the Lord the house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Esau shall be for stubble and they shall kindle in them and devoure them and there shall be nothing left of the house of Esau for the Lord hath spoken it and anger is not in me saith the Lord against the persons of men but if they set briers and thorns in my way against me I will pass through them and burn them up by this shall the iniquitie of Jacob be purged and this shall be the fruit thereof to take away their sins that the Lord may dwell therein and saith the Prophet I saw the Lord upon his Throne high and lifted up and his Train fill'd the Temple and behold an Angel came with a live coal in his hand which he had from the Altar and he laid it on my mouth and said Loe this hath touched thy lips and thine iniquitie is taken away and thy sin is purged so God is said to sit in his Temple man-like a Refiner of silver to purge away the dross and tyn and to destroy all together for ever But while this fire is a kindling in man so long is man full of the smoak thereof that he is not able to look into his own Temple to behold the glory of the Lord until his indignation be overpast and so it is written the Temple was filled with smoak from the glorie of God and from his power and no man was able to enter into the Temple till the seven Plagues of the seven Angels were fulfilled and then his wrath being over the fire being quenched his sins purged and the Oven man being cleansed of all the fuel and the ashes he shall return into his Tabernacle in peace he shall visit his habitation and shall not sin he shall not be afraid to look into his own heart but shall possesse himself with joy and with peace for all sin and iniquitie shall be done away and then the Lord alone shall be exalted in his owne Temple man and man in the Lord for ever and ever Captaine Harrison Is there any man without sin Paul saith He was compassed with a bodie of sin and death Coppin The bodie of sin and death was to be destroyed and he to be without sin and though Paul was sanctified and justified in the spirituall part or new man yet he was subject to sin so far as he was in the flesh as all men are which is still waring against the spirit till the spirit hath overcome it Gaman Let me speak now c. Coppin Let him speak Robison We cannot stay I have no patience Coppin Then the Lord grant you patience if you have none Captaine Smith You had better take a day to your selfe Mr. Gaman Gaman Well I see you Priests are all carnal and your weapons are not spiritual seeing you cannot deal with this man therefore go you and your Priests together Coppin If the Presbyterians Sect have done then Anabaptists may begin and take your day also for though you are one against another yet I see you will both joyne together against me and this makes good that Scripture there 's Ephraim against Manasseh and Manasseh against Ephraim but both against Judah yet point your day when you will CHAP. XX The malicious and illegal proceedings of some Ministers and Magistrates of Kent against Richard Coppin in the City of Rochester with his Commitment to Prison how and by whom THe Disputes being ended and the Ministers not relieved but having suffer'd in their principles and losing many of their Hearers they to regaine them againe have with themselves and some men called Justices of the Peace Members of their Churches had several private consultations together how they might doe to dismisse me from thence of preaching any more to the people for which through their false information they obtained a Warrant against me from the Committee of Kent but I was then at London and having notice of it did neverthelesse appeare to the Warrant being willing to answer to any thing that should be laid to my charge being also cleare and innocent in my owne spirit of any thing that I had said or done contrarie to any Law of God or man and I being in my lodging at Rochester on the Eve of the Sabbath at night intending to preach on the morrow came an Officer of the Souldierie unto me from Captaine Smith a Captain of the Companie there quartering that I should come before him into whose hands the Warrant was committed and whose Order was by the Warrant that I must not preach on the morrow but to continue his Prisoner till Munday onlie I had liberty in the meane time to go to my lodging but the Sabbath being come on the morrow and the people assembled together at the Cathedral according to their former custome I came amongst them but a Guard of Souldiers being set in the Cathedrall I preached to the people in the Colledge-yard in the Morning and in the Fields in the Afternoone untill we were disturbed by the Souldiers who did but their duty which they were commanded by the authority of the Justices Major General Kelsie and others for that County On the morrow being Munday and twenty fourth of December the said Major General Kelsie John Parker Charles Bowles and Richard Watson as Justices of the Peace for that Countie also Captaine Harrison and severall Ministers as Informers met together in the Crowne-Inne of the City of Rochester where they examined Witnesses and received what informations they thought fit against me in my absence and having before determined amongst themselves what to doe with me they sent for me to come before them where Major General Kelsie told me that he had received information against me upon oath that I was an enemie to the present Power and of several

to be burnt is the devil death and hell with all mans works good and bad that he hath made his foundation to build upon besides Christ whether it be gold or precious stone wood hay or stubble all shall be burnt up and he shall suffer losse but he himself shall be saved so as by fire which fire is the Lord and the stream of brimstone that kindles it the breath of the Lord to burn up consume blast and weather whatsoever is not of God in man but man shall be saved and so saith the Lord Furie is not in me but if the wicked set bryers and thorns against me in battel I will go through them and consume them to together but this is all the fruit thereof to 〈…〉 e away their sins CHAP. V. Christ coming in the Clouds the place and manner of his Throne how he as a man body flesh and bones is not in a place above the Skies that the Christ of God is no where contained FRench But Christ shall come in flaming fire at the last day at the end of the world for he shall descend from heaven in the Clouds with a shout with the voice of the Arch-Angel at the sound of a Trumpet and he shall sit upon a Throne and before him shall be gathered all Nations Coppin All this I know and see to be now for now is he upon his Throne and have all Nations before him and ever had though you may not see it till it be manifest in you therefore you should define what is meant by the Throne and his siting upon it and the place where it stands and the Clouds in which he comes for all people do believe that there are such things but you should declare what and when and where it is that people may know it else how are you a Teacher of the people if you know not those things French It is a Throne that shall stand upon the earth and the clouds are the clouds of heaven above overhead in which he shall come where we shall be caught up to meet him Coppin But define this Throne what it is made of and the manner of it how it stands else you speak the things you know not and that which you have not seen nor heard from the Lord but from your own imagination as appeares for the Scripture saith His Throne is in heaven And how is it then on earth if heaven be above overhead as you say it is But I do believe he is come and coming dailie and do set up his Throne in the hearts of men where he is judging and condemning all things that is contrarie to himself and when you see it to be in you then you shall acknowledge it also in the mean time you must be silent French I do be lieve he shall come from above in the clouds overhead with thousands of Angels as a man in a bodily shape with flesh blood and bones for Job saith he shall see him with those eyes stand upon the earth Coppin And Job in his life time did see him stand upon the earth in him as he confesseth in his last Chapter For now do mine eyes see thee saith Job And if you do but read Job from the beginning to the end and understand what you read you may see of Jobs state and condition what it was both before his change and after his change French You abuse the Scriptures and turns it which wayes your list into an Allegorie as a Nose of Wax Coppin The Scriptures are an Allegorie and a great mysterie For great is the mysterie of godlinesse and there is a spiritual meaning to be understood in it all along for the sum of the whole Scripture is included in Law and Gospel the first and second Covenant as in Gal. 3. 24. speaking of the Son of the Bond-woman and the Son of the Free-woman which things saith Paul is an Allegorie for these are the two Covenants the one from Mount Sinai which gendereth to bondage and under which all men are Bondmen the other which is Agar from Mount Sion or heavenlie Jerusalem which is Sarah and under which we are all Freemen for Jerusalem which is above is free which is the mother of us all and this also is an Allegorie and a great mysterie Capt. Harrison Ye pervert the Scriptures and are a Blasphemer and I will prove you so Coppin What is that you call Blasphemy Capt. Harrison I am not to tell you now speak not to me Coppin If you speak to me I must speak to you But Sir How will you prove me a Blasphemer by the Law of God or the Law of man Capt. Harrison First I 'le dispute with you and do it by the Law of God and then I 'le take another course Coppin Then it seemes what you cannot doe one way you will endeavour to doe another Lievtenant Scot There is no body here that intends any hurt against you to intrap you French But he denies Christs body to be in Heaven above and that is horrible blasphemy Coppin Prove that Christ is now in Heaven above over head as you say in a body of flesh blood and bones and that he shall so come for the Scripture saith flesh and blood shall not enter into Heaven and though we have known Christ after the flesh yet henceforth known we him no more so French I prove it in Acts 1. that he did ascend up to Heaven in a body of flesh blood and bones 8. Verse But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you c. And when he had spoken these things while they beheld he was taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight and while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up behold two men stood by them in white apparel which also said ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazing up into Heaven this same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven shall so a come in like manner as you have seen him go into Heaven And this is up above overhead and not within man as Mr. Coppin would have it Coppin The Disciples here had but a carnall knowledg of Christ for the Spirit was not yet come upon them because Christ was not yet ascended and they beheld him onely as he was talking with them in his suffering body which he for that time assumed to himselfe to appeare to them in to confirm them of his resurrection and his being taken up in a cloud was his swift vanishing out of their sight into the Spirit from that fleshly appearance as formerly he had done the doores being shut and in which they were to see him no more and were also reproved for so looking after him for why stand ye gazing ye men of Galilee up into Heaven this same Jesus as you have seene him goe so in like manner shall you see him come that is he grew invisible to their carnall eye and they

were to see him no more till they saw him in them So also his coming should be to them suddainly in the Spirit as of a rushing mighty wind and so it was Acts 2. 1. Therefore this Ascention of Christ is not to be understood carnallie but spirituallie even as his descending was at first for he that ascended is the same he that first descended and we read not of a bodie of flesh and bones that descended but the Holy Ghost came down upon the Virgin Mary and the power of the most High overshadowed her and this coming onlie his Disciples were to look for on them as Christ told them Acts 1. 4. but wait for the promise of the Father which saith Christ you have heard concerning me and which you shall receive when the Holie Ghost is come upon you and which they also did receive as in Acts 2. and therefore to look for such a fleshlie Christ as you declare you may look long enough before you see him French But he was caught up above overhead and shall so come again in the very same fleshlie bodie Coppin This word overhead there is none written and this word above you know not for Christ may be said to be above and yet in man for the word above signifies heaven or heavenlie things which the Scripture saith is in man For if you be risen with Christ seek the things that are above which is beyond the reach of a carnal capacitie being spiritual things as love joy peace gentlenesse goodness meekness faith c. and so carries that name of things above as the same with God being things of a purer nature then the things that are below as division wrath envie malice and evil speaking which are the fruits of the flesh and are said to be earthlie sensual and devillish and so goes under that term below or inferiour as one with the devil and not to be esteemed of as the fruits of the Spirit which are alwayes in God and so above all as God is above the Devil and Light above Darknesse and this is that heaven above into which Christ is ascended far above all heavens and into which we all shall be carried by him to be for ever with him in the Fathers glory And now pray tell me where is your heaven which you call above that you say Christ is in in a body of flesh French It is the third Heaven above the Stars Coppin How do you prove it when the Scripture saith That the heaven of heavens cannot contain him French I prove it from Paul for he was caught up into the third heaven where he saw Christ as before and knew him and saw things unspeakable and full of glory with him Coppin But Paul was all this while living on the earth and said Christ was no more to be seen in the flesh after he ascended and he being caught up into the third heaven was his being carried up out of himselfe into high Revelations of glorious manifestations of God in him which is Christ in us the hope of glory French But he saw Christ there personally in a body flesh and bones the same which he had before his death at Gods right hand now in glory Coppin If Christ be at Gods right hand in a body of flesh and bones after that manner as you say he is then this is to make God to be a body of flesh and bones also and such a one as your selfe that must be confined to a locall place when the Scripture saith he is unconfined to any time place or person but fills Heaven and earth with his fulness therefore when you speak of God and Christ you should declare what they are and what his right hand is but because you know not I will tell you God and Christ is one and the same in Spirit and glory and Christ being in Heaven at Gods right hand is his being in God far above all Heavens or created things injoying the same fulness of God as one whom God cannot be without he being that eternal wisdome and power by which he doth all things and by whom all things consist therefore if any blasphemy hath been spoke 't is you that hath spoke it and not I. Captain Harrison Sirrah you brazenface Rabshackel what doe you get up here to declare your blasphemy come downe or I 'le pull you downe Coppin I thought you had come in love and not in malice but now I see your end is to catch what you can to accuse me and because you cannot have your end you are angry Captain Harrison We came here on purpose to heare you and now we have heard blasphemy enough from your owne mouth and that you shall know e're long and so the dispute ended but Mr. Coppin desired the people to come againe an houre after for he was to Preach DISPUTE III. Between Walter Rosewell and Richard Coppin in the Cathedral of Rochester on the eleventh of December ROsewell I shall not feare this man though he were never so well armed with gifts to maintaine his damnable errours Coppin I acknowledge my selfe as I am a man to be as the weakest and worst of men nay a poor worme yet strength may be manifest in weaknesse and wisdome in foolishnesse For God hath chosen the poor weak despised and base things of the world to confound the wise and things that are not to confound the things that are And friends and Brethren I came here as a stranger into those parts yet through the desires of many of you here present therefore I am my selfe unacquainted how the actings of men have been according to the present times but I am inform'd that some of the chiefest of the Promoters of these Disputes have been and are enemies to the present Power I shall therefore desire that the Publike Peace according to the present Government may be kept and preserved Rosewell I know you speak something of this to me as well as others though you might have spared it but I confesse you have made a fair speech as a prepara●●e unto your businesse but let that passe I shall begin CHAP. VI That the whole nature of man was sinful how Christ took our sins with our nature and offer'd it up with himself without sin to the Father that he still lives in it in us and how ROsewell In the Name of the Lord Jesus whom you have blasphemed I shall charge you and let none be affended that I do begin where I did begin the last day Coppin Let us not be alwaies on one thing but if you have any thing else to say proceed to that for Mr. French did speak also the same things which you had spoke before but the other day Rosewell You said I had no more the other day but you shall find I have enough now what my Brother French spake the other day I had no knowledg of but I think it was

Christ did offer for his owne sins is a blasphemer Coppin Is that all you can say if it be you were best goe back to Schoole againe where you learn'd this and learne some more Rosewell I have enough and that you shall see if I had but your book here Coppin Why did you not bring it with you seeing you can say nothing without book I said you wanted help and so 't is true CHAP. VII Of Christ the Resurrection from the first Adam to the second proved with the manner how and the time when what body it shall arise and from what death also how it was signified by what and when ROsewell He that from Scripture doth labour to perswade men that there is no Resurrection of the body to be exspected and that no body shall be raised at the last day he is a perverter of Scripture and a venter of damnable errors but you are one ergo Coppin I denie your minor therefore prove it Rosewell I prove it thus 1 Cor. 15. That as Jesus Christ was raised from the dead so all they which have been are and shall be shall be raised up at the last day which you denie Coppin I doe grant the Resurrection of the body and doe not denie it though you say I doe Rosewell You did denie that the words in Job did signifie any Resurrection of the bodie and also that in 1 Cor. 15. which I can prove Coppin Is that Resurrection a mysterie or no mysterie Rosewell Yes a great mysterie and such a one as I do believe you do not know Coppin If you do know pray declare it Rosewell I am not minded to declare it to you at this time Coppin Then I will tell you what it is Friends and Brethren I do own a Resurrection according to the Scriptures and such a Resurrection as you all must partake of before ye can see the Kingdome of God 1 Cor. 15. There is a Resurrection spoken of by the Apostle which is the Resurrection of Christ and of our rising in and with him from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam but there were some then as well as now that did think the Apostle had meant carnallie the rising again of the same bodie of flesh and bones and therefore did ask the question with what bodies they shall arise not knowing what the Dead was nor the life it should be raised to and how God giveth it a bodie as pleaseth him Now to prove this Resurrection Christ saith I am he which was alive and was dead and am alive again and lives for evermore Rosewell Do you hear he saith Christ was alive and dead Coppin There is nothing can be said to die but first it must be alive nor made to live but it must first die Now Christ is he which was alive was dead and is alive again the first that was living and the last that lives In John 11. 21. Martha comes to Christ and saith Lord if thou had'st been here my Brother had not died Christ said Thy Brother shall rise againe I know said Martha he shall rise at the Resurrection on the last day Jesus said unto her I am the Resurrection and the Life he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live and he that lives and believes in me shall never die Believest thou this Now she had Faith to believe that he was Christ the Son of God but could not believe the truth of her Brothers Resurrection in Christ therefore did-Christ blame her saying Had'st thou but believed thou should'st have seen the glory of God John 11. 40. Now if Christ be the Resurrection and the Life then there is nothing in this Resurrection but what is himself for he is the dead raised the raiser of this dead and the life raised too as he saith I am the Resurrection and the Life Now take notice that I do not denie any thing of Christ all this while but do advance him and also our Resurrection in him as the Scripture saith We are raised up together with him to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus and this is the mysterie of the Resurrection which you say is a great mysterie Now saith the Apostle to those carnal enquirers that knew not this mysterie of the Resurrection but asked with what bodies they should arise Thou fool saith the Apostle that which thou sowest is not quickned except it die and thou sowest not that body that shall be but bare grain it may chance of wheat or some other grain so it is not saith be the same body which thou sowest that is raised but God giveth it a body as pleaseth him And why then say you that the same bodie shall be raised again Now Paul to prove this spiritual Resurrection tells us that there is one glorie of the Sun another glorie of the Moon and another of the Stars and one Star differs from another Star in glorie so also is the Resurrection of the dead it is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption 't is sown in dishonor it is raised in glorie it is sown in weaknesse it is raised in power and all in us that I may know him saith Paul and the power of his Resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings being made conformable to his death if by any means I might attain unto the Resurrection of the dead for which I presse forwards saith Paul So that this Resurrection is to be within you and you are to know it while you live in this bodie for it is your rising from faith to faith from glorie to glorie as from one administration of God to another Behold saith Paul I shew you a mysterie we shall not all sleep but we shall be changed that is changed from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam and so he tells us It was sown in Adam it was raised in Christ it was sown a natural body and it is raised a spiritual body even as you see your change for the first man Adam is of the earth earthy a living soul the second is the Lord from heaven a quickening spirit and as is the earthly so are they that are earthly and as is the heavenly so are they that are heavenly wherefore examine your selves and you will now find it so for you are all of you either in the state of the first Adam or in the state of the second Adam and your change is from the first to the second that as you have born the image of the earthly so you shall bear the image of the heavenlie for there is a bodie natural and a bodie spiritual all which are proper to us in this life And thus Paul tells us of the Resurrection in a mysterie Now take notice that I do not denie any Resurrection in all this which by any man may be proved but I do declare to you the mysterie of this spiritual Resurrection

man for I will demand of thee and answer thou me And so he goes on to reprove Job of his ignorance of God and in Chap. 40. 3. Job answers the Lord and saith bebold I am vile what shall I answer thee I will lay my hand upon my mouth once have I spoken but I will not answer yea twice but I will proceed no further and in Chap. 42. 3. he acknowledges his error and ignorance of God and answers the Lord saying who is he that hideth counsell without knowledge therefore have I uttered that I understand not things too wonderfull for me which I knew not but now hear I beseech thee and I will speak I have often heard of thee by the hearing of the care but now mine eyes seeth thee wherefore I abhor my selfe in dust and ashes Thus did Job in his life time see the King the Lord of Hosts his Redeemer standing upon and was a conqueror of that earth the first Adam which he first lived in the Image of till the second Adam appeared as at the last day of the first Adam in him which he before said should come and wa● now come to him For now doe mine eyes see thee Rosewell Pray read a little further and ye shall find that God saith his freinds had not spoken right of him as his servant Job had done and again this cannot be meant of his seeing his Redeemer for now ●is 〈…〉 ynes and reines was not consumed Coppin 'T is true Job never spoke the things that was right of the Lord till he said Now doe mine eyes see thee and this his friends could not say for they had not seen the Lord as his servand Job had therefore though after his skin wormes had destroyed his body yet in his flesh he did see God this skin was the good esteem he had of his own righteousnesse the pride and glory of his own flesh which he was stripped of for boasting in it and so saith Job He hath stripped me of all my glory and taken the Crown from off my head and the body that must be destroyed was the body of sin and corruption which was within him and is in all men for a time while they live in the corrupt state of the old Adam and the wormes are the terrors of the troubled minde which as Troops of Robbers feeds upon the flesh of the earthly man and Job had many in his flesh For my flesh saith he is cloathed with Wormes my skin is broken and become loathsome the arrows of the Almighty sticks fast in me his Archers compasse me round about and he cleaveth my reins in sunder Here was the destruction of Jobs body in his life time all his comforts were taken from him and all those things were fulfilled upon him and appeared in him and yet saith he after all this I shall see my Redeemer and so he did fo● when through the manifestation of God to him his soul within him was revived his knowledge and understanding enlightened and his reins with the girdle of saith strengthened then saith he Now do mine eyes see thee and I am no more my self but a new man in thee for now is my change come therefore cannot be meant of the body after a naturall death as you say it is Robison Of all Religions this is most damnable to say there is no Resurrection of the body Coppin I denie not any thing which any man can prove to be true from Scripture Rosewell I prove a corporall Resurrection of our bodies from the example of Christs Resurrection of his Body Coppin That was a signe to us of our rising with Christ to a newness of life both toward God and man Rosewell I denie the Resurrection of Christs body to be a signe Coppin You say the corporal Resurrection of Christ is no sign and yet you say againe it doth signifie the Resurrection of our bodies but the Scripture saith not so but saith That like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newnesse of life and so will he change our vile bodies here and make them like unto his glorious bodie by subduing all things to himself in us which is the spiritualty and glory of our bodies Captain Smith We grant you that Coppin Then give me leave Christ being born of the Virgin Mary Was it also a signe to us or not Robison Was it but a signe to us and no substance C●ppin I doe not say so but I say it was a signe which I prove Isa. 7. 14. Therefore the Lord himselfe shall give you a signe behold a Virgin shall conceive and bear a Son and shall call his name Emanuel Now what did this signifie but that as the Virgin did bring forth Christ in our nature flesh blood and bones so should Christ bring forth himselfe in every one of us in Spirit and truth Gal. 4. 14. My little Children saith Paul of whom I travell in birth againe untill Christ be formed in you not as a bodie flesh and bones in us for that were to make many Christs as for every man one but he shall be formed in us in Spirit and power Rosewell I doe not believe but Christ is here said to be a signe but what is the thing signified that King Ahaz should overcome his enemies and that the Scepter should not depart from Juda till Shilo come Coppin That is till Christ come Spirituall in us or else what benefit is it to us to look back upon the birth and death of Christ as signes and doe not see the things signified For a wicked and adulterous generati●n seeketh after a signe and never looks on the thing signified which is the birth death and Resurrection of Christ in them which should all be made manifest in our mortall flesh and so saith Paul I doe always beare about in the bodie the dying also of the Lord Jesus that the life of Jesus might be made manifest in our bodie and now doe I rejoyce in my sufferings for you and do fill up the measure of the sufferings of Christ in my flesh for his bodies sake which is the Church whereof I Paul am made a Minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you to fullfill the word of God even the mysterie which hath been hid from all ages and now is made manifest to his Saints to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mysterie which is Christ in you the hope of glory CHAP. VIII The Mystery of the Trinity in relation to man of the state of Reprobation when how long and how ROsewell I desire you may go on How is Christ in you the hope of glory Coppin Tell me what do you mean by Christ and then I will tell you how he is Christ the hope of glorie in man Rosewell I do mean by Christ the Son of God

was Preached and which is Preached which is Christ in you the hope of Glory Christ the Wisdom and Power of God in every creature as almost all this Chapter doth testifie Sanbroke To what purpose doe you bring this Scripture Coppin I bring it to prove that whereas you say all men should have the Gospel Preached to them but you know not when I tell you it hath been Preached already is Preached and will be Preached so long as there is a God to be manifested it being as everlasting as Christ and this I have proved by plaine Text of Scripture Sanbroke That which hath been done already that is not to be done hereafter but you say the Gospel hath been Preached already to all men ergo Coppin There is nothing done now nor to be done but what hath been done already so saith Solomon That which hath been is that which shall be and there is no new thing under the Sun and Christ who is himself the Gospel and the Gospel-Preacher is the same yesterday to day and for ever and upon this Sanbroke gave off the dispute and Rosewell succeeded CHAP. XV The Whore of Babylons rage with her names of blasphemy against the truth her seat and work discovered ROsewell I am sorry I must take my learned Brothers place for I did not come here to day to speak but to be a hearer nor shall I desire to enter into discourse any more with this man except the Magistrates shall call me to it it is to no purpose he doth but insinuate into the people to get a party for himself therefore as a Minister of Jesus Christ I desire to give the people satisfaction to all that love the truth I could say much more for my learned Brother and I do pity him that his strength failed him if he had his lungs and his ears as this man have he would be able to deal with him but I thank God I have another opportunity to speak to the people Coppin You will rail now as you did before and that is all you can say Rosewell I do not speak to you I speak to the people and to the Magistrates and Officers of the Souldiers if they will give me leave to speak to something which slipped without answer the other day when as he had most falsly introduced many places of Scripture and wrested them notoriously to serve his own turn to prove that all should be saved tag and rag and all then he goes on to affirm that this Doctrine of the love of God is the onely means to keep people from sining and to provoke to an holy walking and if I do not overthrow this then I desire never to be believed more and though God can cast both body and soul into hell yet he tells you that God will destroy no mans person but their sins that onely shall be destroyed this Doctrine is quite against the whole bock of Scripture from the beginning to the end there are some said to be beloved of God and some hated Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated this is spoken of persons indeed the Doctrine of the love of God in Christ is excellent to some but not to be preached to all but to onely the vessells of mercy but now to say that God hath an equal love to all mankinde one as well as another tag and rag to unbelievers as well as believers to them which never had the Spirit of Faith and of Grace to tell an Adulterer and a Drunkard that notwithstanding his whoredomes and drunkennesse yet he shall be saved as well as the best this is abominable doctrine and blasphemy against the true meaning of the Holy Ghost in Scripture and is no better then the doctrine of devils and we have another sort of people which come not far short of this man namely the maintainers of Vniversal Redemption for if all be redeemed by Christ undoubtedly all must be saved but I have done only one word more Coppin Pray Sir let me speak as well as you for though you said you would not direct your discourse to me yet exspect an answer from me Captain Smith Let him have done and we will promise you to speak Rosewell This man did say the last day I was an enemy to the State the more to insinuate into the hearts of the people I do believe it will be taken notice of by some in this present Government that it will be much to their dishonor to discourage a faithful godly Minister and to countenance such a Blasphemer who is an enemy to the States by his Preaching Blasphemy Acts 17. 10. 11. I may say to you as Paul did to Elimos the Sorcerer Wilt thou cease to pervert the Word of God and the waies of God Coppin Friends and Brethren this man said he had nothing to say to me and yet his whole discourse hath been of me and raising against me but I know from whence all railings and revilings and the calling of truth blasphemie doth proceed in Rev. 17. 3. You shall read there of a woman siting upon a Scarlet-coloured Beast full of the names of Blasphemie this woman is that Whore of Babylon the Mother of Harlots siting on this Beast as on many waters decking and triming her selfe with mens pretended forms of Religion having her mouth full of the names of Blasphemie calling all things blasphemie and heresie which is not in her way and like her self and this hath been in all Ages her work to advance her own honor pride and self righteousnesse above the truths of the Lord Jesus in which truth is unitie peace and love towards all men but in this Whore there is no such thing for from whence hath all those divisions railings and persecutions risen but from this Sea of troubled waters on which the Whore siteth for in her was found the blood of the Saints and the blood of the Martyrs of Jesus which hath alwaies suffered under this notion of blasphemie and so the carnal world and blind righteous Scribes and Pharisees said of Christ that he was a Blasphemer a mad-man a devil nay the Prince of Devils and great Deceiver of mankind and why hear you him said they and so he was put to death as a Blasphemer and Deluder of the people though in his mouth was found no guile but because by his Doctrine the people were drawn away from the world to believe in him yet in all this you do not find that Christ nor his Apostles thus suffering for the truth did ever rail against any of them that were instrumen●s of their sufferings for they did well know as I do through the wisdome of Christ that all men did speak and act as they knew and were acted and so left them and all things to him who would glorifie himself in all things that himself doth And whereas he was pleased to say I would be found an enemie to this present Government let any man judge

it not to them that are free to do it though here were none of them baptized by Christ for he baptized not but his Disciples and they baptized no children but onely such persons as would then be under Johns administration of water which was onely to last Johns time and then to be made void and people did thinke then as some doe now that unlesse their children did recieve baptisme they shall not inherit the Kingdome of God therefore would say Oh give them that they come for lest they should die before they had it Now saith Christ who will forbid a little child that he should not inherit the Kingdome of God I say let such come to me for of such is the Lords Kingdom and they come to me as to their Saviour their Lord and Master therefore forbid them not though they were never baptized with water for they are subjects already fited for the Kingdome of God as a Kingdome of righteousness meekness truth and love having in them no unrighteousness as pride lying and hatred but they like Christ doe know noe sin being not borne in sin till they have the knowledg thereof and oh that all men were become such children free from all sin and so receive the Kingdome of God as a little child Againe he took them up in his armes laid his hands on them and blessed them and this he did to let the people know that they are the blessed of the Lord and that they are within the compass of his armes as being never out but always lodging in his bosom of goodness mercy love and favour as being heires of his Kingdome And of this arme God saith all the day long have I stretthed it forth to a disobedient and gainsaying people to bring them to this state of a little child into meekness and love from sin and rebellion and when this hand of the Lord shall thus come to be laid on any of you then shall you be as a weaned child from the brest of your owne haughtie and laughtie Spirit by which you were nursed up into the state of rebellion against God and of this the Prophet saith who hath belived our report and to whom is the arme of the Lord revealed speaking of Jesus Christ the arme of God that took from us all our sins and laid upon himselfe as 't is written he hath laid on him the iniquities of us all and by which arme Daniel when he lay with his face on the ground was raised up upon the knees and palmes of his hands and from thence to stand upright upon his feet and when he knew it was by the hand of the Lord he stood trembling that is all things of himselfe trembled in himselfe when he stood upright in the Lord Now when this hand is laid on you and doe but touch you the first and second time which is the first and second coming of Christ in manifestation to the soule then shall you stand upright in the Lord and be for none but the Lord and saith Christ feare not for I have the keyes of the house of David which is Heaven and I have the keyes of death and of hell and I can open and none can shut and shut and none can open therefore feare none of those things which thou shalt suffer for behold saith Christ I know thy works and tribulation and the divell shall cast some of you into prison that you may be tryed and you shall have tribulation for a time but be thou faithfull unto death and I will give thee a Crowne of life therefore feare nor for I having the keyes will not suffer you to be shut up any longer then I please but will break open prisons and prison doores saith the Lord and all this is done by his laying his hand upon us and blessing of us therefore henceforth judg charitably of all men in all conditions and no more judge any childe to condemnation that knowes no sin nor Devil but rather this that the Lords mercy is over all his works and will lose nothing of his own Rosewell I desire to have no more to do with this man you see I hope what his aime and end is in all his discourse You say we would hide knowledge from the people but I wish all men did know as much of good as I doe provided I did know no lesse then I doe and I have taken a great deal of pains in my private Studies and publique endeavours for that knowledge I have and if I know any easier way I would spare my paines You labour to bring all men off from our principles of Religion therefore know there is many hundreds of able Ministers and thousands of good Christians which are furnished with arguments against you and all the Jesuites in the world for my part I am not worthy to carry their books after many of them and I say you are a shame to the world and the Turks and Papists may laugh at us to see our division in our Church and I would not have this Auditorie juggled out of their Faith and if any man hath given any incouragement to such a Blasphemer as this is let them be humbled for it and do so no more and I shall Preach against it to my utmost endeavour for he doth overthrow all Ordinances of Baptisme and Sacraments which our Antient Fathers have used which he saith are not necessarie to salvation since Christ and so is an enemy to God Psalme 21. 8. I will end with this Thine hand shall finde out thy enemies that hate thee thou shalt make them as a fiery Oven in the time of thine anger the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath and the fire of hell shall devoure them CHAP. XIX Of Baptism how man is a fiery Oven of the fire and fuel that is to be burnt the Oven cleansed man living in it and how COppin That which I declare concerning Baptisme is that they have no ground from the Lord Jesus Christ by precept nor example to baptize with water Gaman a Anabaptist Let me speak now a word or two because you deny all Water-Baptisme Coppin Pray let me make an end with one first and then if you have any thing to say speak on but I say Baptisme with water upon any subject hath no ground from Christ whether by example nor command to be used since the Death of John being then fulfil'd by Christ and yet I denie it to none whose tender conscience doth desire it for I am become all to all that I win them to the truth as it is in Jesus through my love to them and the manifestation of Christ in them Rosewell Capt. Smith Pray let 's have done Robison I think you will never have done Coppin So far as you speak I must answer and there is one thing more therefore pray have patience for I must answer to this Scripture by him hinted in Psalm 21. 8. 9.