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A16690 Detection of Ed. Glouers hereticall confection lately contriued and proffered to the Church of England, vnder the name of A present preseruatiue. VVherein with the laying open of his impudent slander against our whole ministrie, the reader shal find a new built nest of old hatcht heresies discouered, (and by the grace of God) ouerthrowne: togither with an admonistion to the followers of Glouer and Browne. By Steph. Bredwell, student in phisicke. Seene and allowed. Bredwell, Stephen. 1586 (1586) STC 3598; ESTC S114175 80,218 141

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in y ● same verse if your eyes had not dazled you might haue seene that the Apostle after his thankes giuing for his deliuerance from the danger of that same bodie of death against which he had exclamed confesseth that euen then as touching his minde he serued the law of God but in his flesh the law of sinne Which place is as cleare as the sun-shine not onelie to shew the falshood of your first reason against our interpretation of the 7. to the Rom. but also to proue so your great shame the trueth of the generall assertion aforesaide namelie that The regenerate are not free frō sinne Yet these are not all the foiles you receiue by it for it cutteth likewise the throte of your second reason before it haue time to draw one breath of life for where you say Therefore after this he thanketh God in Christ that he was deliuered from that bodie of sinne which made him to doe that euil he would not and to leaue vndone the good he would You would make vs belieue that Paul in this place was a changed man so as he could no more sin vnwillinglie as before which purpose of yours now you sée is preuented and therefore your reason spoilde yet ere I passe I must admonish the Reader to consider of what spirite this sauoureth that in alledging the 25. verse which soundeth thus I thanke my God through Iesus Christ our Lord. Now therefore euen I in my minde doe serue the law of God but in my flesh the law of Sinne. He bringeth it out thus He thanketh God in Christ and so cutteth off all the rest but chopping into the roome thereof these wordes that he was deliuered from that bodie of sin which made him to do that euil he would not and to leaue vndone the good he would A sentence I confesse of like length but neither of like nature nor trueth If anie say for E. G. For now I vnderstand he is dead that he added that part not as to haue it taken for the wordes of scripture but the sense of the place I could easely admit that answere were it not for the sakes of some of his sect who as I vnderstand can not read at all and yet are very stiffe in his opinions I know not how they haue béene this way abused Besides it is not comuenient in citing of scripture to sow anie peeces of our owne into it without putting some partition wall betwixt or bringing in the seruant in some differing weed from his maister that the one be not taken for the other of the commers in Moreouer if hee bring those wordes for the meaning of the place yet hee is too impudent and blasphemous presuming to speake directlie against the spirite of God which it is cleare that hee doth when the text saith Paule had yet such an enimie of flesh about him as serued the law of sinne and this man saith Paule was now deliuered from that bodie of sinne as made him do the euil he would not Two thinges in their substance flat contrarie though chaunge of wordes at first would seeme to couer it But lest we should maruaile at this dealing he makes a custome of the matter for the next place he bringeth out of the beginning of the 8. chap. where hee would faine make S. Paule speake according to his humor for whereas the text is There is now therefore no condemnation to those that are in Christ Iesus which walke not according to the flesh but according to the spirite You must vnderstand it as it is thus paraphrasticallie deliuered by him To them which are in Christ Iesus there is no condemnation or no such bodie of death which is the cause of our condemnation for they walke not after the flesh as he was forced to doe by the law of sinne when as he did the euil he would not and left vndone the good hee would but they walke after the spirite and so doe the good they would His bolonesse here as before whether it sauour of Babilon or no I leaue it to the christian Reader to iudge But three thinges must be obserued and examined wherein beyond al reason warrant he abuseth this place of the Apostle First for the worde condemnation by that he wil haue vnderstoode the bodie of death therein without anie necessitie transforming the effect into the cause as though he would cōpel the holie ghost to speake for his purpose but without all probabilitie both forasmuch as that word is no where vsed in that sense as also this verse repeating the argument of the 5. chap. 1. verse of the same Epistle concerning iustification by faith onely proued by an argument drawne from the effectes toucheth nothing at all that speciall obiection which hee answereth in the latter ende of the 7. chapter whereby he was occasioned so to handle that conflict of the flesh and the spirite So that then we sée if E. G. would haue taken this worde condemnation in his naturall sense and not malitiously peruerted it as one that would wilfullie runne into the pit he should haue béene so farre off finding his bodie of death in it as that much rather the sunne shine of comfort would appeared vnto him to haue banished the night of dark discomfort that came vpon him in his sicknesse when as this place rather would haue told him there is no condemnation towardes thee if thou be Christes agréeably whereto the spirite saith in the 33. and 34. verses afterwarde who shall laye anie faultes against the elect of God It is God that iustifieth who is hee that shall condemne It is Christ that is dead yea rather that is risen againe who sitteth also at the right hand of God and entreateth for vs. The second thing I obserue is concerning these wordes They walke not after the flesh which walking he taketh to be al one with that S. Paule calleth the law of sinne in his members whereas he might aswell haue compared a beast vnto a man for by that other law in his members it is manifest he meant the power of sinne which gate oportunities manie times against him although in his inner man to his might he made resistance as all open eyes may sée both by the opposing of the law in the members to the inner man as also by the whole suite and circumstances of the text Contrariewise in the other place Paule speaketh of the minde giuing obedience to the law of the members which he calleth To walke according to the flesh as when there is no resistance made to sinne So that her● the holie Ghost speaketh of a whole man willingly going after sin there of a man falling but sometimes through infirmitie also there he sheweth in what respect the law hath a worke of death in our mortal bodies according to the obiection in the 13. verse but here he teacheth a note to know our selues truly iustified by euen our sanctification according to the matters handled from
the beginning of the sixt chapter Thirdly E. G. expoundeth walking according to the spirit to be a doing of the good we would Either this is idle or els it soundeth a full abilitie to do the good we would And then I sée well one wilfull maister or Pilot is able to cast away a ship full of men Let those that haue béene hetherto addicted to this man looke better to them selues he hath giuen the ship in this place one notable stroke vpon the rocke of frée will they can not endure many moe before they make shipwracke of faith But he wil proue it I trow that they that walke after the spirite can do what good they would because forsooth the Apostle affirmeth of him selfe in Christ that the law rule or power of the spirit of life which is in Christ Iesus did free and deliuer him frō the law rule or power of sinne which before preuailed ouer him vnto death The Reader must be aduertised that this clause which before preuailed ouer him vnto death groweth not vnto the text but is the addition of a presumptuous spirite And whereas he would séeme to borrow it from the places before cited in the 7. of the Rom. he blasphemeth there being no sillable to proue that sinne preuailed ouer Paule vnto death but the flat contrarie And whereas to make the word law in both places the fuller to serue his turne by he setteth to all his strength to stretch it out with these wordes rule or power let him take héed lest the text therby sodenly breaking he receiue some dangerous fall for by rule and power he would haue vs vnderstād an absolute rule or vngainsaid iurisdiction which the spirite of regeneratiō bringeth vs by which sin should be so banished in vs as no more to be able to shew his face wherein he playeth Sathans part with vs to beguile vs w t false allegatiō of scripture not caring so his sense might stand though he set the scripture at oddes with it selfe For as Sathan tempting Christ to throw him selfe headlong from the Pinacle sollicited him thereunto with It is written he shall giue his angels charge ouer thee they shall hold thee vp in their handes that thou hitte not thy foote against a stone dissembling in the meane time that this must n●edes be vnderstoode of an action done in the feare of God a warranted calling the other sense being flatly gainsaide by the place of Deut. Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God so in like maner this man in strayning here the text to this his sense would ●aine haue vs not to sée our fréedom by the law of the spirite to be meant in that place a deliuerance from the danger of sinne and death which the law brought vs into before as Paule had proued in y ● 7. chap. 7. 13. verse 6. although the 25. verse of the same chap. which E. G. him selfe alloweth to be spoken of Paule a regenerate man must necessarilie enforce it when as the Apostle saith there Therefore euen I nowe in my minde do serue the law of God but in my flesh the law of sinne For otherwise there is a plaine contradiction betwixt this place and the 2. verse of the 8. chap. if this mans interpretation thereof may stand Well if you will not yet belieue him now he sends you to consider the whole two chapters going before and following after the said 7. chap. And what shall we finde there for his purpose forsooth That the Apostle doth plainely define the regenerate man to bee so dead to sinne as that he can not liue in sinne but in righteousnesse that is as long as he continueth a regenerat man as that he doth leaue the cōmitting or seruing of sinne and he doth serue and do with his members righteousnesse as he before did serue or commit sinne he hath his fruite in holines and not in sinne and the end euerlasting life He is not in the flesh or a carnall man as was Paule before his delinerance frō the bodie of death but he is in the spirite his bodie of sinne being so deade or mortified in respect of sinne as that he liueth in righteousnesse and doth not the deedes of the flesh Hath anie man heard a more vncertaine answere if this man walke not like a giddie-braine I neuer saw anie He is off and on here and there faine he would speake out and he dare not The Apostle saith he doth plainely define the regenerate man to bee so dead to sinne who lookes not here for a great blow as that he can not liue in sin Is it no better alas poore faintling But you may perceiue his heart was good euē to haue striken out his blow at length that it might haue sounded The regenerate hath power not to sin anie more which is y e stroke he must strike if he mean to war against our said assertion but he knew wel inough that then all y e scripturs which there he citeth would haue laid hands on him Again next that he interpreteth cōmitting sinne by seruing sin contrarie wise in the next sentence seruing sinne by committing sinne And at latter end saying He that is in the spirite liueth in righteousnes and doth not the deedes of the flesh he both offereth an inkling to his Disciples to take holde of his meaning and withal cunningly reserueth a vantage to himselfe to wash his hands of the blooude of those he should thereby seduce as Pilate did his handes from the bloud of Christ otherwise he would haue deliuered plainly thus he that is in the spirite liueth in righteousnesse so that he doth not anie deedes of the flesh anie more To haue thus therefore pointed out his fraudulent dealing for the simple soules sakes is answere inough for this place for if I should take anie other course therewith I sée not how a needlesse strife of wordes can be auoided as where no cleare meaning can bee found and I am warned not to answere a foole according to his foolishnesse lest my selfe also become like him I shall méete him more plainely hereafter without these starting holes and that variable monster of often regeneration with him which here he leadeth tyed in the string of a parenthesis and then shall they both féele by the grace of God the strong hand of trueth to encounter them Hitherto I will reduce as fittest for this place the residue of the controuersie concerning the 7. to the Rom. which he as a man that had waged battaile both against trueth and all good order hath bestowed other where He acknowledgeth these sixe reasons to be brought by our side out of the 7. chap. to the Rom. to proue Pauls acknowledging of sinne euen in his regenerate estate namely 1. In that he saith there hee had a will to do well 2. A loue of goodnes 3. A loathing of euil 4. A strife against the flesh 5. A delight in the
I perceiue he dreamed of his own disease and so when he wakened told his dreame of others For is not this very sleight and cunning conueyance vpō this text in stead of the law of cōmandements to profer vs y e remnant of old Adam yet remaining in the regenerate man but let those admire him whose eies he hath bemisted They whose eyes the Lord hath opened to sée may rather wonder at his impudencie then be deceiued by such shifting If the scriptures could haue lent him but one example for this word law being simplie set down as it is here without anie word of restrainte accompanying it to haue meant the law of the members he might haue had some warrant of this his dealing But a rubbed forehead that can not chaunge colour maketh a hold tongue to vtter anie falshood Before if the Reader do remēber whereas we reade in the 1. verse of the 8. ch to the Rom. There is now no condemnation to those that are in Christ Iesus This man exp●undeth the word condemnation by the bodie of death which Paule spake of before in the 7. chap. 24. verse Here he can make the word law sound the remnant of sin or vnregenerate part which Paule in that place also to the Rom. termeth the law of sin in his members Now if it bee lawfull for a man to vse this libertie namely to interprete termes of scripture onely for his own turne both taking them from their manifest sense and yéelding no proofe thereof by conference of other places then is there no heresie in the world so foule as the diuel in his members cannot find shift inough to maintain by colour of scriptures This considered my answere might be sufficient if I barely denyed his foolish fiction Yet because his friends shal know that I stand by the heape of trueth I will not spare in ans●●ring to fill his measure full To the disproofe therefore of his sense let vs first remoue the doubtfulnesse of his speach and after that the falshoode The doubtfulnesse is in these wordes we shall not then be vnder the law of sin if he vnderstand here such a being vnder as is a willing lying downe and subiection thereunto which Paule forbiddeth and is onely true in the vnregenerate then this makethnothing for him selfe nor against our assertion though we granted him this meaning of that place If so be then we take it to meane as necessity enforceth that as manie as are led by the spirit are no more subiect in anie respect to the remnants of sin but that they may do whatsoeuer good they would then this can not bee the sense of that place because it is flat contrarie to the Apostle both in the verse afore going which I hope is clearely euicted from the aduersaries sense as also in the 1. verse of the 6. chap. where Paule plainely graunteth that euen they that haue the chiefest measures of spirituall graces may also be taken tardie in offences Wherefore if this mans minde had not béene forestalled with corrupt opinions which like the worst melancholie turneth euen those things that be verie cōtrarie in their owne nature to the féeding and maintenance of it selfe hee might haue found such a sense of this place as had beene both sutable to that exhortation the Apostle maketh to the Galat. as also well according with euerie point of doctrine which anie where els he teacheth namely that those that are led by the spirite are not vnder the law as touching the guilt and condemnaiion thereof as Rom. 8. 1. in in which respect it is deade Rom. 7. 6. and wee are no more subiect to it Rom. 6. 15. and hereby the Apostle vtterlie remoued all scruple of wa●t endeuour that might sticke in the Galathians mindes by occasion of his former argument The rest from the 19. to the 21. verse being but a distribution of the effectes of the flesh and making nothing at all for his interpretation of the 17. verse which is the question is therefore idlely here brought in of E. G. to fill vp roome As for the end of the fruites of the flesh there set downe to wit that Adulterers Idolaters drunkardes gluttons c. shall not bee heires of the kingdome of GOD it hath beene of our part so firmely alwaie belieued and taught that the Church of GOD neuer needed the life of E. G. nor of anie such tumultuous spirite on this blasmous manner to vrge it Thus hauing gained this place also to our cause the proud building of frée will and Anabaptistical holines which he foolishlie raised thereupon is fallen and there appeareth therein foundation for nothing els but the humble habitation of Gods children not onely outwardlie laide at with the stormes of worldly calamities but most of all inwardlie assailed with the buffeting temptations of Sathan and rebeilious affections of onr owne remaining nature as that although wee watch and labour against them all the dayes of our life yet shall we be neuer in this life vtterlie rid of them nor yet in such case of abilitie as alwaies and in euerie thing to preuaile against them And therefore in this respect is our redemption obserued to be twofold the one from the cursse of the law and seruitude of sinne which held thereby the other from the coruption of our bodie The first fréeth vs from the rule and iurisdiction of our corrupt nature the second from the verie corrupt nature it selfe By meanes of the first we are so deliuered from our sinfull nature as that we yeelde no more willing obedience therunto it hauing no right ouer vs but do wage continuall battaile against it so as though it sometimes get the vantage preuaile yet we also manie times haue victorie ouer it But by the other we shall haue so full and cōplet deliuerance as that neither anie corruption at all shall be left vnto vs nor yet anie other aduersarie that now by meanes of it take part against vs to annoy vs. Finally the benefit of our first redemptiō we enioy with great comfort in this life as those that being anoyed yet can neuer be taken anie more or spoiled of our aduersary but the s●cond we hold in y e assurance of hope onely it being a thing which as for the excellencie we sigh grone for that we might once fréely worship our redéemer without all impediments of the flesh so we are sure in that day to see it when the sonnes of God shalbe reuealed which is the day that euen all the creatures tures els likewise do long to sée and groane in the expectation of it with vs yea which that holy vessel S. Paul casting all thinges alreadie gained behind him laboured with all contentiō vnto as one that confessed him selfe whilest he liued here neither to haue attained the marke nor yet to be perfect Out of all which standing on the naturall sense of the verie worde of God what appeareth clearer vnto vs
sinking into the quakemires of grossest sinnes Yea the more to dull your vnderstanding and take away your iudgement that you should perceiue no danger in all the way that you goe he hath as I perceiue giuen you to drinke that sléepie cup of false perswasion that the morall law is abrogated and so purposeth at last to transport you through a thicket of blinde merites into which after you are entred you shall not be able to discerne far before you vntil you light on the other side ere you be ware vpon the vnhappie habitation of death For he that putteth his workes to his iustification falleth from Christ and so is but a dead man But you will answere perhaps that you worthely goe away from our Church as that which in no wise can be the Church of God seeing such loosenesse of life is euen spoken for and maintained by the doctrine of our teachers E.G. telleth you thus much in déed but be not led by and by after euerie word for I will ioyne with you in this point that if this one thing among all his falshoodes be true or stand vpon anie firme probabilitie I will forthwith claspe hands with you and receiue all his other opinions How I haue alreadie so farre proued this accusation of his to be false as that I haue taken away all the shewes of reasons he could bring for the same you haue now heard in the former part of my answere For the rest I will render you here an account of my faith so much as concerneth this matter as I haue learned it at the féete of those men whom he accuseth Which if it be true good and leading to saluation then is their doctrine such E.G. accusation a lye and therfore you may not refuse to ioyne with vs againe I do belieue that Jesus is Christ that is the onely and whole annointed of the Lorde to bring saluation vnto his people I do belieue I say in this same Jesus that he is vnto me that same annointed Priest and King which are the two parts of his Mediatorship The Priesthood of Christ is the first part of his office wherby he is appointed in al those things which are appertaining vnto God so as he can wholy saue all those that come vnto God by him The effectts hereof are two Redemption and intercession Redemption is the first effect whereby he hath wrought for vs the matter of full deliuerance from all euils and of a happines farre more excellent then the first was This redemption consisteth in reconciliation and sanctification Reconciliation is whereby we are deliuered from the curse and restored more perfectly into the fauour of God Hereof commeth remission of sins and imputation of righteousnesse Remission of sins is whereby all guiltinesse and punishment of all sins are remoued from vs by his suffringes Imputation is whereby in him through the imputing of his righteousnesse vnto vs we stand iust and vnblamable before God Upon which sure grounds of remission of sins and imputation of righteousnes are founded the vnmouable fortresses of iustification and adoption Justification is whereby we are deliuered from all guiltinesse of sinne before God and accounted worthie the merite of righteousnes Adoption is whereby we are accounted the sonnes of God heires with Christ By this we haue two speciall benefits The first that euen al afflictions crosses and whatsoeuer men call punishments which in déed are but fatherly chastisments vnto vs shall all turn to the best and for our profit The second benefit is that al the creatures are made subiect to our rule the Angels excepted which do also here minister vnto our health and good Thus much of reconciliation being the first part of our redemption The second is sanctification whereby we are deliuered from the tirrannie of sinne into the libertie of righteousnes and therin walke perpetually receiuing from Christ dayly new encreases thereunto This consisieth of mortifying sinne and rising vp vnto righteousnesse Mortification is whereby sinne is continuallie slaine that is more and more driuen out buried and consumed Rising vp to righteousnesse is whereby a holinesse really inherent being begunne in vs is continuallie encreased And these partes of sanctification hauing reference to the soule are the same which we call true repentance but in respect of the actions of the bodie expressing them they are the fruites of repentance such as are the sundrie partes of obedience Now true repentance is a continuall renewing of all the faculties of the minde from euil vnto good The beginning of this is sorrow according vnto God which as the Apostle saith in the place last quoted bringeth forth repentance vnto saluation and the companion of this repentance is spiritual war or fight which is that fight of the mind as it is renewed against concupiscence the diuel the world and their temptations whereby it commeth to passe that their lustes are not fulfilled Hetherto of redemptiō the first effect of Christs Priesthood Intercession is the second effect of his Priesthood by the which Christ maketh all our obedience being of it selfe vnperfect and defiled with the flesh to be acceptable vnto God through the merite of his death and obedience In this effect moreouer we do consider the action of his diuinitie and of his humanitie The action of his diuinitie is two fold first that by his spirite he might support our weaknesse and in our prayers when as we know not what to pray as we ought might entreat for vs with sighes that can not be expressed that is might prompt vs inwardly in our hart according vnto God The second is whereby hee being the searcher of our heart knoweth the meaning of the spirite like as he doth the imperfections and defilements of the flesh The action of his humanitie herein is to be touched with the féeling of our infirmities for the same to apply by his spirite the merite of his death and obedience whereby so taking away iniquite he maketh our obediēce accepted Hetherto I haue declared how I belieue in Christ concerning his Priesthood insomuch as pertaineth to the present occasion now as concerning his kingly office measured by the same consideration His kingly office is the second part of his Mediatorship whereby he applying vnto his elect the effects of his Priesthood doth spiritually gouerne his Church to the destruction of all his enimies and to the perfect glory of all his childrē The partes hereof are his spiritual administratiō in this world the last iudgement His spiritual administratiō in this world is for the gathering together of his Church preseruation therof vnto y ● last iudgement This spiritual administration consisteth of an inward working ● an outwarde diuine gouerning whereof this place requireth no further speach the inwarde working or operatiō is that part