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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A33355	One blow more at the Saducees and gross antichristian errors containing a brief narrative of the most material things that passed in discourse at Kings-Heath-Meeting the 4th of October 1696 betwixt Thomas Curtis, an antient preacher among the Quakers and me, William Clarke, one that belonged to that meeting.	Clarke, William, Quaker.; Richardson, John, 1667-1753.	1697 (1697)	Wing C4568A; ESTC R26480	7,089	10

One Blow More AT THE SADDUCEES AND Gross Antichristian Errors CONTAINING A Brief Narrative of the most Material Things that passed in Discourse at Kings-Heath-Meeting the 4th of October 1696. betwixt Thomas Curtis an Antient Preacher among the Quakers and me William Clarke one that belonged to that Meeting THomas Curtis in his Preaching spoke much of God being a Spirit and that Christ had a prepared Body and that the Virgin was overshadowed with the Holy Ghost and he said He must be careful what he did say for said he some have charged me with false Doctrine And he said Christ was not called by that Name till he was Born of the Virgin and he was again Glorified with the same Glory he had with the Father before the World began and for that Body he did not know what was become of it Neither do I care said he now where it is but said what may be known of God is manifest within and this said he is plain Scripture for said he I know nothing of Christ but within my self Then he told the People William Clarke had charged him with false Charges in a Letter and said William Clarke Stand up and speak if thou hast any thing to say Upon which I stood up and said Thomas Curtis Thou hast done the unfairest thing I ever saw done in my Life thou I suppose hast a mind to pick a Quarrel if thou hadst acquainted me with what thou didst intend to do publickly I would would have had a Copy of my Letter here for thou statest my Letter false Said he I thank God I have thy Letter in my Pocket and do intend to read it to the People To which I assented and I proffered him several times to read it for him which he refused and said He might be served as if he were at the Spanish Inquisition So he begins to read but so false that it is a shame to think a Man professing Religion should be so foul And when he had read two or three Lines preacht upon it Then I urged him to read it over again it may be two or three times before he would read it right one place in my Letter where I say Christ was like unto us in all things Sin excepted and he would read so far as Like unto us in all things and he would leave out Sin excepted and upon that he would Preach a long while and when he found I would not suffer him to read false he would have read no more of the Letter but I told him he should read it all and then he went on after his old way to read false and then to Preaching a long time and then I would have him read what he left out for I could remember my Letter though he would not let me so much as look in it and at this rate he went on Reading and Preaching for near two Hours it held at this rate and he would not read all do what I could and he would not suffer me to speak but as little as possible yet I spoke more then he was willing notwithstanding he challenged me to stand up yet he would not have suffered me to have spoke ten words if he could have hindred me and it would have been hard to have thought such a thing of T. C. if I had not heard him I told him I would stand by every Word in my Letter and John Richardson stood up against his false Doctrine though he spoke not much yet it was of good Service I asked T. C. Whether he did believe Christ was in Heaven in the intire Nature of Man of Soul and Body the same for Substance he had on Earth glorified at God's right hand and his Answer was Here is one of his Quibbles But I urged him again to answer and then he said He did not know what was become of his Body Neither said he will I give thee any Answer Then I appealed to the People that they might see how he would not own his Manhood c. Then when he comes to the place where I had charged him with denying the Resurrection of the Body there he publickly owned no other Resurrection but the Resurrection of the Soul from the Death of Sin and then I got him to confess that a Man might fall away after he had attained to some such Resurrection Then he said Paul had got all his Resurrection while here in this World and he said when I asked him when was that change of the Body to be mentioned in the third of Philip he answered and said His Body should be changed while living here in this World like unto Christ's glorious Body And when I put him to that Paragraph in my Letter where I cited the third of Philip then he spoke what was mentioned before and a great deal of that pernicious Doctrine and where he was charged in my Letter with his saying that the Blood let out of Christ's side with the Spear was not of value unto us but his inward appearance which he absolutely denyed and I maintained it then he said He did believe every drop of Blood and Water let out of his side was sufficient to save the whole World Then I told him it was more then I could bring him to confess before then I asked him whether he had the whole Christ in him because he said but a little before he knew nothing of Christ but in himself and then he said I would catch him as if every Man had a Christ but said he I know none but in me Then I asked him Whether Christ had a Soul he said he did not know and this was all I could get from him as an Answer to this as he had but just before preached he was blamed by all except a drunken Man that was there I being first challenged to stand up to speak he would use all his endeavour to hinder me and then at last told us He had paid the Rent for the Barn but he said he would pay it no longer than Michaelmas-Day past And when he came to read that Query in my Letter where I queried of him whether it was the Manhood that suffered or the Godhead This he would have passed by and not have read it but I pressed him so hard he could not but read it to which I desired him to answer me before the People and he said plainly before the Auditors He could not tell whether it was the Godhead or Manhood that suffered Ah gross Ignorance and Darkness neither could I make him own from first to last Christ being in Heaven without us in the intire nature of Man or any thing like it Then I asked him whether the Light within was the Blood of Christ Here is another of his Quibbles said he I will not answer thee When I asked him that Question whether he did believe Christ is in Heaven in the intire Nature of Man as to Soul and Body the same for Substance he had on

Earth that he took of the Virgin glorified at God's right hand T.C. said Where is God's right hand Here is another of his Quibbles said he And said He would not answer to it and he would not suffer me to speak to it but fell again to Preaching to drown the People's understanding but by the consequence of his fore-going Answer he meant God's right hand is no where but in Man for he said he knew of no Christ but in himself Neither said he do I know what is become of that prepared Body nor where it is nor do I care And when I would have put him to have answered to some of my Queries in my Letter to him I told him they contained Fundamental Doctrines all the answer was said he Thou dost not know what is Fundamental Doctrines I answered Then I have been ill taught by thee for so many Years Now we have many Witnesses what gross Errors he held and publickly avouched this Letter of mine was writ to him the 27th of the 2d Month 1696. and this was the 4th of October 1696. it broke forth into such a Flame without any Provocation and none of the Meeting but himself knew this design as I know of that was there for in a little time after T. C. had received my Letter I met him at Malbrough where we had discourse about the Letter and he told me he would not answer it neither did I give any one a Copy of it and shewed my Copy but to a few particular Persons and when he had told the People in his Preaching some said we kept our Meanings hid but said he I declare openly and yet many Questions he was asked afterward he said he would not answer but said they were Quibbles and several gross Errors he maintained them for Truth And now it plainly appears that from their Preaching and Books that many People called Quakers not only in England have been poysoned with these gross Errors but in America also And now I hope none will or can blame me that have any regard to the Christian Religion that I make this publick and cry aloud against such gross Errors And T.C. had often challenged us before I writ to him If any of us were dissatisfied he would satisfie And when I shewed my dissatisfaction by Writing he was offended and acted so disorderly as this Narrative gives an Account and he Challenged 5000 of us to meet us half way I answered him and said It must be then to hear thee speak for thou wilt let no Body else speak And thus it ended and several told him he had not done a fair thing and it was shameful Thomas Curtis his Answer to William Clarke's Eight Queries which he gave in a Publick Meeting His Answer to the First Question I know not what is become of Christ's prepared Body nor where it is neither do I care This is William Clark's Quibble His Answer to the Second Question Here is another of his Quibbles I know nothing of Christ but within my self and T. C. being asked whether Christ had a Soul he said I do not know that he had a Soul His Answer to the Third Question There is no Resurrection but of the Soul from the Death of Sin our Bodies are the Graves this I have often preached and I do maintain it His Answer to the Fourth Question Here is another of his Quibbles W. C. askedT C. whether the Light within was the Blood of Christ He would catch me said T. C. I know nothing of Christ but within my self I will not answer thee To the Fifth T. C. gave no Answer therefore Solomon Eccles's may serve here that the Blood of Christ was no more than the Blood of another Saint His Answer to the Sixth Question Paul got all his Resurrection while living in this World and I expect my own Body shall be changed like unto Christ's Glorious Body here in this World and there is no other Resurrection but of the Soul from the Death of Sin our Bodies are the Graves His Answer to the Seventh Question I know nothing of Christ but within my self and for that prepared Body I do not know where it is neither do I care His Answer to the Eighth Question T. Curtis being desired to answer whether it was the Godhead that suffered or the Manhood I know not said T. Curtis whether it was the Godhead or the Manhood that suffered these things are Quibbles So Reader when thou hast considered the Narrative and compared T. C's Answers to the Eight Questions in my Letter sent to him bearing date the 22d of the 2d Month 1696. thou wilt find George Whitehead and William Penn and Thomas Curtis agree in gross Errors by comparing T. C's Answers with G.W. and W P's Books And He the said Thomas Curtis challenged 5000 of us half way from his own Dwelling to meet to dispute and maintain his Principles Reader I have been among the Quakers between 6 and 7 and 30 Years and have been a Hearer of T. C. near 30 Years and I do say he is a Man I had and still have a kindness for as a Man having long hoped to have recovered him from these gross and pernicious Errors but now he seems rather more bold in these gross Errors than formerly This I do further say I never heard T. Curtis in all my Life pray to God to forgive us our Sins for Jesus sake but boast of his own Perfections that he was come to the Resurrection and had all the Resurrection he did ever expect and all the Judgment he hath said I have here in this World and at the time of Death Many can testifie these things have been common with T. C. to preach and always Father his Doctrine upon the Spirit of God And now I shall leave it to all Impartial Men whether the Light in this Man is not gross Darkness nay in the first Week of November 1699. I heard a Foxonian Quaker say in my House that they did not adore Gorge Fox but the Light in George Fox And said the same Quaker to me Thomas Curtis holds all the Principles of the Quakers Rightly In 1695. I had some Discourse with T. C. of Christ Ascending into Heaven and he would not own it I brought the first of the Acts to prove it which said Ye Men of Galilee why stand ye gazing up into Heaven this same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into Heaven He told me he did not believe it was so writ but said he If it be so writ every Like is not the same You see by his Answers to my Queries that he will not own Christ to be a Man for if he had no Soul he could not be a Man he had only a prepared Body but where it is or what is become of it neither said T. C. do I care Now these things were not done in secret or private