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A77749	Doctor Chamberlain visited with a bunch of his own grapes, gathered out of his own packet of letters: to know whether my answer to his question gave satisfaction, and that by his reply to partake of those rare gifts of the spirit, which he proffered to publish in Black-fryers Church. Also an answer to Dr Chamberlains reply, concerning sprinkling the baptized. / By Thomas Bakewel.	Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19.	1650 (1650)	Wing B532; Thomason E601_4; ESTC R206402	21,189	30

Anabaptists who hold all things common and it may be some of them are not very cleanly and so not fit to plunge the faces of some where the talls of others were newly washed in this is not decently nor in order Mr Doctor 3. But we are said to be buried with Christ by Baptism Rom. 6.4 therefore the baptized is to be plunged under water Answ In this Text is no mention made of baptizing with water which is the outward form of Baptism only we are said to be baptized into the death of Christ and after death buried with him by Baptism Now Jesus Christ a long time after he was baptized of Iohn in Iordan saith I have a Baptism to be baptized with Luk. 12.50 which was his death and burial and he saith to the sons of Zebedee Ye shall drink of my Cup and be baptized with my Baptism Mat. 20.23 that is they shall dye and be buried and rise again at the last day and also in this life they shall receive the things signified that is the body of sin shall dye by the death of Christ and their sinne shall be buried or covered by the burial of Christ and they shall rise to newness of life by the Resurrection of Christ and these are all expressed in that text Rom. 6.2 4. This is the doctrine of Baptisms spoken Heb. 6.2 but I say here is no mention of the Form of Baptism therefore no warrant from this Text to plunge the baptized under water Now if we should bring all those Texts that speake of Baptism to prove the outward Forme wee should runne into such a labyrinth that wee should not bee able to get out as for example Paul speakes of baptizing the dead saying If the dead rise not at all why are they then baptized for the dead 1 Cor. 15.25 Now although here be more in this Text to prove the Forme of Baptisme then in that Rom. 6. yet wee may not at all ground any Forme of Baptisme from it first because the party is dead and so unfit to make a member of the Church by that solemne admitance Secondly Any woman may wash the body when it is dead but none may baptize any Christian with that Form of Baptism given to the Church but the Ministers of the Gospel which are sent to preach and baptize Mat. 28.19 Thirdly This washing the dead carcasse was done without any words of institution therefore not the Form of Baptism given to the Church Therefore from such Texts as these we have no warrant to plunge the baptized in or under the water To all this you say when I bid my man wash a cup or glasse doth it signifie nothing unlesse I bid him doe it with water Let him that is diligent so reade and satisfie himselfe with the Texts Rom. 6.4 Col. 2.12 1 Cor. 1.6 Answ Baptisme doth not always signifie washing but Death and Burial and sometimes Doctrines Act. 18.25 neither doth washing always signifie baptizing for then if you should say to your man wash my cup it were all one as to say baptize my cup and so your wife might say to her maid baptize my dishes when they are foul But these New-Lights are nothing but palpable darknesse from the Prince of Darknesse Then you tell me that you will not be at the charges of printing a Satisfaction to every one that scribles having spent and lost so much for the Publique and repayd with so much Injustice and Ingratitude nor will you meddle at present with the lawfulnesse or unlawfulnesse of your Ministry not His it seemes Now if your losses be so great why did you print at all and who doe you blame for your losses and that requitall of Injustice and Ingratitude And then you begge a praise of your patience and excuse your pride and pray to winne mee to the Trueths of God in Christ To this Prayer I shall joyne with you in that word Amen and then I am sure if the Lord heare and grant it I shall never turne Anabaptist May 2. 1650. Imprimatur I. D. FINIS

as sprinkling and yet at the end of this Section you confesse That sprinkling the Conscience with the blood of Christ and washing the body with water from the same Text that I quote Heb. 10.22 comprehends the two compleat parts of baptism and yet you would drown the sence by the Iewish washings saying They had sprinkling with water Lev. 14.7 Num. 8.7 distinct from sprinkling with blood Exod. 12.22.29.21 and both distinct from baths and washings Levit. 15.5 to 27. in divers other places And we have under the Gospel Baptism distinct from the Lords Supper and the Holy Ghost is punctual Ioh. 19.34 But that text onely proves that Christ is our Sanctification and Justification signified by that water and blood see other Texts parallel 1 Ioh. 5.6 This is he that came by water and blood to be Righteousnesse Sanctification and Redemption 1 Cor. 1.30 but not punctual to distinguish the two Sacraments for one of them to Justifie and the other to Sanctifie and least of all punctual to distinguish the outward Formes of the two Sacraments for suppose you say here is water the outward Forme of Baptisme yet Mr Doctor here is no bread and wine the Forme of the other Sacrament Then you say If the Iewes had confounded the sprinkling of water with that of blood they would have been negligent in those things they were to be exact and if we should do so we should soon arrive at spiritual Babel which is rife with many who think themselves spiritual But Mr Doctor our difference is betweene sprinkling and plunging and we shall distinguish the two Sacraments as well as you And you confesse that the Jewes did keep them distinct that of water and that of blood although both were administred by sprinkling How much easier is it for us to distinguish between drinking wine and sprinkling with water at our two Sacraments and yet although the outward parts of the Sacraments differ yet thethings signified do not so differ for saith Mr Perkins on Galat pag. 214. line 32. Water resembleth Christ crucified with all his merits The blood of Christ cleanseth from all sin 1 Ioh. 1.7 And also faith he The water resembleth the inward washing by the Spirit and both by Iustification and Sanctification 1 Cor. 6.11 Tit. 3.5 and other signes as death and burial of sin and resurrection to newnesse of life And this is all that can be gathered both from the Jewish and Christian Sacramental washings and cleansings under the Law and under the Gospel which doth not at all take away sprinkling the baptized but rather confirmes it to be of God and not of man Also you have confessed That the outward Forme and the thing signified should go together from many Texts Matt. 3.11 Mark 1. Luke 3. Act. 1.5 2.58 10. Yea God will not do the one without the other the outward washing and the inward sanctification ought to goe together not the outward washing alone but the inward answer of a good Conscience towards God through Iesus Christ 1 Pet. 3.21 And yet I smell a designe you have in those expressions drawn from that Text Mat. 3.7 The Pharisees and Sadduces without fruits of Repentance were not admitted to the Baptisme of water Hence it may be you will gather That fruites must appeare on all before they shall have the outward Forme of Baptisme that you may exclude Infants it is true these Sectaries Iohn refused as unworthy of admittance till Reformation but all other that were willing were admited And besides the case of Infants whose Parents are admited is not the same with those that are converted from Judaisme or Heathenisme to the Christian Faith the Parents and their seed are set apart for holy uses as members of the visible Church although they want real infused Holiness they have a right to the Ordinances yea if but one of the Parents be admitted the children are holy faith Paul 1 Cor. 7.14 But this point hath beene so sufficiently cleared by others that I shall wave it You come to my second Argument The signe must be visible to put us in minde of the thing signified The token of the Covenant shall be seene Gen. 9.11 14. The People being sprinkled must behold the blood of the Covenant Exod. 24.8 The senses must bee exercised Hebr. 5.14 but hee that is plunged under water can neither hear the words of institution nor see the signe therefore unfit to use that Ordinance To this you say Sprinkling is but lately allowed of by the Directory but not by the booke of Common Prayer But what of that Doth antiquity of error make it ever the better But you ask whether by our Rule wee doe not make a face Christian yea a speckled faced Christian by sprinkling here and there a drop as if the water in Baptism were of a staining and not of a cleansing nature moreover saith he if we allow Baptism to signifie the washing away of sin as all Catechisms imply would you wash the face and outward appearance of sinne and so make an outside Pharisee-Christian But I say would you have the Elementary water go any further then the outside you that plunge all over yet all is but the outside and the more of outside in any duty the more you are Pharisee-like and that the outward Forme of Baptisme by water signifies the cleansing from sinne I grant but yet one drop applyed to the body in that Ordinance may signifie the greatest cleansing from sinne and if you stand so much upon your measure of water in this Ordinance let mee in your next knowe your quantity and by what measure you try the fulnesse of that quantity or else I shall suspect that you hold him most worthy to come to the Lords Table that will drinke most wine as well as to hold hee is best baptized that is plunged in most water The mean time I shall hold a drop on the face may signifie more grace in the Soul then ever any Anabaptists attained unto Again Circumcision on one part signified mortification of sinn in all parts or else by your Argument when they circumcised one part they should have flayed the skin off all over and where it was not so flayed the sinne was not mortified These are your excellent gifts it seemes you would have published in Doctor Gouges Pulpit But you get you back to the Common-Prayer Booke made by the Pope and Prelates and to them it seemes you will sticke And then you say It was the practice of Christ and His Apostles and those that we call Fathers But Mr Doctor wee must have some Proofes Old Birds will not be catched with Chaff But then you ask Would we have our faces buried with Christ in Baptisme and baptized into his Death and have our face onely rise with him or would you have onely an outside death to sin and resurrection to life in Christ Col. 2.12 Rom. 6.3 4. Or would you make Christ onely a vizzard for your face But Mr

Doctor although the Death of Christ and his Burial be called Baptismes Luk. 12.50 and washing the body when dead be called Baptisme 1 Cor. 15.29 This cup saith Christ ye shall drink of we shall be baptized with those Baptismes Mat. 20.23 But I hope Mr Doctor you will not kill your Disciples and wash their bodies and bury them this is something harsh it is well it is but one Doctors Opinion I thought I had cleared this upon Page 7 8. of the Dippers Plunged But you ask If Infants can behold the sign and make that use of it will they not rather shut their eyes Ans First All are not Infants some may be converted from the Turkes and Iewes to the Christian Faith that are of full age and these having their senses they ought to use them although Infants through the defect of nature cannot make use of the sign nor of the words of Institution yet it is damnable for them of full age to stop their eares like the deafe Adder at the Word of God see Prov. 28.9 Psa 58.4 Mat. 13.15 Revel 2.7 Again the words of institution are to be spoken in the act of baptizing Baptizing them in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost Mat 28.19 Now for a man or woman to be under water all that while it may drown them and he that shall place these words either before or after it is his own invention and none of Christs institution But you harpe upon this string to exclude Infants saying Those that are baptized according to the Scriptures doe both heare and know them before they are plunged although pronouncing the words do not the worke but the obedience of beeing baptized in the Name of the Lord. It seemes by these words that you hold a baptizing in the Name of the Lord before the outward Forme of baptizing by water flat against the Scripture see Act. 10.48 19.3 5. And Iohn saith I baptize with water and he that comes after me baptizeth with the Holy Ghost Mat. 3.11 And saith he I baptize with water unto Repentance that is in order to Repentance in the same Text And all that were baptized with water were not before baptized with the Holy Ghost as Simon Magus Demas and others This designe is but to exclude Infants but I wave it You come to my third Argument for Sprinkling the baptized because that many were baptized in their Houses where Plunging could not be as Paul and Cornelius and others Act. 9.17.18.10.22.27.48 To this you say that I do ill to Father so many untruths in print upon the Scriptures the Scriptures say not that Paul was baptized in the house but that Ananias entred into the house and putting his hands on Him and immediately he arose and was baptized But are you a Teacher in Israel and know not this Can you teach others and not teach your selfe Did Ananias enter into the house where Paul was and lay His Hand upon him and immediately he was baptized What say you to this word Mr Doctor immediately or at the twinkling of an eye or at the very same instant of time he was baptized I think the subtillest Plunger amongst you cannot finde time out of that word immediately for Paul to goe out to bee plunged in some Pond or River and besides Paul was faln upon the earth and was three days without sight and did neither eat nor drink Act. 9.4 9. Now Mr Doctor what do you think of this man was he able to goe out You shewe your selfe a very unskilfull Doctor if you say Yea deserving to be cast out of the Colledg for a Novice What neither eat nor drink for three dayes together and in this condition you would have him plunged into a river Well it is a mercy that wee have other Doctors of better Judgement that wee may not depend upon such Novices But you say Paul was not to sit still to be sprinkled but saith the Text rise up why tarryest thou arise and be baptized Act. 22.16 But where is your Syllogism Mr Doctor because hee being faln on the earth and Ananias hastens him to arise and bee baptized therefore hee went out to some River with his Hands upon him and all this in the twinkling of an eye Well Sir consider and lay to heart who it is that fathers untruths upon the Scriptures And for Cornelius and others the Text misquoted which should be Act. 10.22 23 27 48. where it is said That Cornelius being warned of God by an Angel to send for thee meaning Peter to come into his house and to heare words of thee Then called he them in and he went in and found many that were come together and he commanded them to be baptized Now Mr Doctor what will you do to evade this truth I have proved that they came into the house of Cornelius but a Conclave of plunging Doctors cannot shew me that they went out to be plunged but you say Peter reasoned the business and then said Who can forbid water he commanded them to be baptized but it is not said where or when so then you grant that here is a Command to baptize being in the house and no Command to go out then which is the way to fulfil the Command but to baptize them where they were and that is in the house of Cornelius but then you say If this was done with water as is expressed the Apostles must carry it with them in Aquavitae bottles or Rose-water-bottles to dash them in the face as soon as they had been taken confessing of Christ But Sir how will you make it out that Cornelius had no vessels in his house for water till Peter came with his Aquavitae bottle or Strong-water-bottle we look for proof Mr Doctor else you had as good say nothing But all your hopes is of the Jaylor whom you suppose is the most likely to be plunged for you suppose that I have not read the 30 verse of the 16 Chapter of the Acts for there it is said And brought them out but I demand to know out of what for it is said vers 32. They spake unto him the Word of the Lord And in the same hour of the night he took them and washed their stripes and was baptized he and all his straightway vers 33. And when he had brought them into his House he set meat before them vers 34. And the Magistrates sent to the keeper of the prison to let them go and they refused Therefore that first out of ver 30. was but out of one room into another and the keepers house was in the prison so that from first to last the Apostles were not out of the prison till the last verse then indeed they went out of the prison and entered into the house of Lydia Now Mr Doctor who speaks contrary to the Text then you say the blood of Paul and Silas Absurdities must not be put upon the Scriptures Here you would say something although you