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A15420 A retection, or discouerie of a false detection containing a true defence of two bookes, intituled, Synopsis papismi, and Tetrastylon papisticum, together with the author of them, against diuers pretended vntruths, contradictions, falsification of authors, corruptions of Scripture, obiected against the said bookes in a certaine libell lately published. Wherein the vniust accusations of the libeller, his sophisticall cauils, and vncharitable slaunders are displayed. Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621. 1603 (1603) STC 25694; ESTC S114436 136,184 296

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reader_n to_o have_v concourse_n thither_o 2_o we_o have_v our_o adversary_n confession_n doctrine_n for_o the_o antiquity_n of_o this_o opinion_n decr._n p._n 3._o do_v 2._o c._n 44._o non_fw-la hoc_fw-la corpus_fw-la quod_fw-la videtis_fw-la manducaturi_fw-la estis_fw-la etc._n etc._n you_o shall_v not_o eat_v this_o body_n which_o you_o see_v nor_o drink_v that_o blood_n which_o they_o shall_v shed_v that_o crucify_v i_o i_o have_v commend_v unto_o you_o a_o sacrament_n which_o be_v spiritual_o understand_v shall_v quicken_v you_o c._n 48._o svo_fw-la modo_fw-la voco_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la cum_fw-la revera_fw-la sit_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la corporis_fw-la christi_fw-la it_o be_v call_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n after_o a_o certain_a manner_n be_v in_o deed_n a_o sacrament_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ._n dist._n 4._o c._n 131._o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o every_o faithful_a man_n corporis_fw-la sanguinisque_fw-la dominici_fw-la participem_fw-la fieri_fw-la quando_fw-la in_o baptismate_fw-la membrum_fw-la christi_fw-la efficitur_fw-la to_o be_v make_v partaker_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n when_o in_o baptism_n he_o be_v make_v a_o member_n of_o christ_n so_o that_o
do_v it_o not_o when_o they_o be_v alive_a nothing_o come_v to_o the_o dead_a in_o psal._n 48._o con_v 1._o ergo_fw-la the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_a do_v not_o profit_v the_o dead_a argum._n 3._o if_o the_o state_n of_o the_o dead_a can_v be_v alter_v but_o in_o what_o condition_n soever_o they_o die_v in_o the_o same_o they_o rise_v to_o judgement_n than_o it_o follow_v that_o prayer_n be_v in_o vain_a for_o the_o dead_a but_o the_o first_o be_v affirm_v by_o augustine_n vnusquisque_fw-la cum_fw-la causa_fw-la sua_fw-la dormit_fw-la cum_fw-la causa_fw-la sua_fw-la surgit_fw-la every_o man_n sleep_v with_o his_o cause_n and_o rise_v with_o his_o cause_n tract_n in_o joann_n 49_o redimite_fw-la vos_fw-la ipsi_fw-la dum_fw-la vivitis_fw-la quia_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la nemo_fw-la vos_fw-la redimere_fw-la potest_fw-la redeem_v yourselves_o while_o you_o live_v for_o after_o death_n no_o man_n can_v redeem_v you_o de_fw-fr rectitud_n catholic_n conversat_fw-la tom_fw-mi 9_o quales_fw-la in_o die_fw-la isto_fw-la cuique_fw-la moritur_fw-la talis_fw-la in_o die_fw-la illo_fw-la iudicabitur_fw-la as_o a_o man_n die_v in_o this_o day_n so_o shall_v he_o be_v judge_v in_o that_o day_n epist_n 80._o ad_fw-la hesych_n ergo_fw-la prayer_n be_v not_o available_a for_o the_o dead_a argum._n 4._o that_o which_o a_o man_n have_v obtain_v ever_o already_o if_o ever_o he_o shall_v obtain_v it_o be_v in_o vain_a pray_v for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o depart_a be_v present_o at_o rest_n if_o they_o be_v count_v worthy_a august_n requiem_n quae_fw-la continuo_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la datur_fw-la si_fw-la ea_fw-la dignus_fw-la est_fw-la tum_fw-la accipit_fw-la cuique_fw-la cum_fw-la moritur_fw-la rest_v which_o be_v present_o give_v after_o death_n every_o one_o even_o than_o receive_v if_o he_o be_v worthy_a when_o he_o die_v tract_n in_o joann_n 49._o ergo_fw-la it_o be_v in_o vain_a to_o pray_v for_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o soul_n argum._n 5._o he_o that_o depart_v this_o life_n without_o sin_n need_v not_o afterward_o to_o be_v pray_v life_n for_o to_o be_v forgive_v his_o sin_n but_o every_o one_o that_o shall_v be_v save_v go_v forth_o of_o this_o life_n without_o sin_n augustin_n epist_n 89._o ad_fw-la hilar._n qu._n 1._o he_o that_o assist_v by_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n do_v abstain_v from_o those_o sin_n which_o be_v call_v crime_n and_o those_o sin_n without_o the_o which_o a_o man_n live_v not_o here_o do_v not_o neglect_v to_o cleanse_v by_o the_o work_n of_o mercy_n and_o godly_a prayer_n merebitur_fw-la hinc_fw-la exire_fw-la sine_fw-la peccato_fw-la quamuis_fw-la cum_fw-la hic_fw-la viveret_fw-la habuerit_fw-la nonnulla_fw-la peccata_fw-la quia_fw-la sicut_fw-la ista_fw-la non_fw-la defuerunt_fw-la ita_fw-la remedia_fw-la quibus_fw-la purgarentur_fw-la adfuerunt_fw-la shall_v procure_v to_o go_v out_o hence_o without_o sin_n although_o while_o he_o live_v here_o he_o have_v some_o sin_n for_o as_o these_o thing_n be_v not_o want_v so_o the_o remedy_n whereby_o they_o be_v purge_v be_v present_a but_o what_o if_o a_o man_n neglect_n to_o use_v these_o remedy_n while_o he_o live_v certain_o he_o be_v deprive_v of_o they_o for_o ever_o he_o can_v have_v they_o afterward_o augustine_n say_v noli_fw-la differre_fw-la o_o homo_fw-la remedia_fw-la salutis_fw-la tuus_fw-la quia_fw-la nescis_fw-la quando_fw-la anima_fw-la à_fw-la te_fw-la repetatur_fw-la defer_v not_o o_o man_n the_o remedy_n of_o thy_o salvation_n for_o thou_o know_v not_o when_o thy_o soul_n shall_v be_v take_v from_o thou_o ergo_fw-la if_o he_o that_o be_v save_v have_v his_o sin_n forgive_v he_o before_o he_o go_v hence_o prayer_n for_o pardon_n afterward_o be_v superfluous_a argum._n 6._o where_o there_o be_v no_o remission_n of_o sin_n nor_o effectual_a repentance_n there_o prayer_n for_o remission_n be_v in_o vain_a but_o after_o death_n there_o be_v neither_o remission_n death_n nor_o yet_o true_a repentance_n aug._n the_o temp_n serm_n 66._o tempus_fw-la est_fw-la nunc_fw-la remissionis_fw-la poenitentibus_fw-la sed_fw-la tempus_fw-la erit_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la vindicationis_fw-la negligentibus_fw-la confiteri_fw-la peccata_fw-la now_o be_v the_o acceptable_a time_n the_o time_n of_o salvation_n now_o be_v the_o time_n for_o remission_n to_o the_o penitent_a but_o after_o death_n shall_v be_v the_o time_n of_o revenge_n to_o all_o those_o that_o neglect_v to_o confess_v their_o sin_n serm._n 181._o cap._n 16._o cum_fw-la abducti_fw-la fuerimus_fw-la ab_fw-la hoc_fw-la seculo_fw-la ibi_fw-la poenitebit_fw-la nos_fw-la sed_fw-la nulla_fw-la est_fw-la utilitas_fw-la poenitentiae_fw-la when_o we_o be_v carry_v out_o of_o this_o world_n there_o it_o shall_v repent_v we_o but_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o utility_n or_o profit_n of_o our_o repentance_n ergo_fw-la prayer_n for_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v in_o vain_a when_o it_o can_v be_v have_v argum._n 7._o every_o man_n die_v either_o penitent_o death_n or_o impenitent_o if_o he_o die_v penitent_o all_o his_o sin_n be_v forgive_v he_o august_n serm_n 181._o cap._n 16._o donec_fw-la sumus_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la vita_fw-la quantacunque_fw-la nobis_fw-la acciderint_fw-la peccata_fw-la possibile_fw-la est_fw-la omne_fw-la ablui_fw-la per_fw-la poenitentiam_fw-la as_o long_o as_o we_o live_v in_o this_o life_n it_o be_v possible_a for_o all_o our_o sin_n how_o great_a soever_o to_o be_v wash_v away_o by_o repentance_n for_o such_o therefore_o prayer_n be_v superfluous_a if_o a_o man_n die_v without_o repentance_n prayer_n can_v not_o help_v they_o because_o they_o enter_v into_o damnation_n si_fw-mi sine_fw-la poenitentia_fw-la mortui_fw-la fuerint_fw-la non_fw-la veniunt_fw-la ad_fw-la vitam_fw-la sed_fw-la praecipitantur_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la if_o they_o die_v without_o repentance_n they_o come_v not_o to_o life_n but_o be_v cast_v headlong_o to_o death_n sermon_n 217._o ergo_fw-la prayer_n be_v profitable_a to_o none_o that_o be_v depart_v argum._n 8._o after_o judgement_n prayer_n help_v not_o august_n non_fw-la post_fw-la iudicium_fw-la patet_fw-la precum_fw-la aut_fw-la meritorum_fw-la locus_fw-la there_o be_v no_o place_n for_o prayer_n or_o merit_n after_o judgement_n serm_n 22._o in_o matth._n but_o in_o death_n every_o man_n receive_v his_o judgement_n aug._n in_o psa._n 32._o misericordiae_fw-la tempus_fw-la modo_fw-la est_fw-la iudicij_fw-la post_fw-la erit_fw-la now_o be_v the_o time_n of_o mercy_n the_o time_n of_o judgement_n shall_v be_v afterward_o qualis_fw-la exieris_fw-la ex_fw-la hac_fw-la vita_fw-la redderis_fw-la illi_fw-la as_o you_o go_v out_o of_o this_o world_n so_o shall_v you_o be_v present_v unto_o god_n in_o psal._n 36._o 1._o ergo_fw-la after_o death_n there_o be_v no_o place_n for_o prayer_n i_o can_v produce_v no_o less_o than_o a_o hundred_o of_o such_o place_n out_o of_o augustine_n to_o show_v that_o there_o be_v no_o utility_n or_o profit_n come_v to_o the_o dead_a by_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_n but_o these_o may_v suffice_v wherefore_o then_o will_v it_o be_v say_v do_v augustine_n allow_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a i_o answer_v that_o they_o do_v it_o in_o some_o commiseration_n and_o tender_a affection_n not_o of_o any_o necessity_n as_o i_o show_v before_o and_o then_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v far_o differ_v from_o popish_a dirge_n and_o mass_n of_o requiem_n as_o be_v before_o declare_v and_o what_o if_o augustine_n or_o any_o other_o father_n of_o the_o church_n do_v seem_v to_o like_v and_o approve_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a that_o be_v no_o sufficient_a warrant_n unless_o they_o can_v show_v their_o ground_n out_o of_o scripture_n and_o this_o judgement_n augustine_n himself_o will_v have_v use_v towards_o his_o write_n auferantur_fw-la de_fw-la medio_fw-la chartae_fw-la nostrae_fw-la procedat_fw-la in_o medium_n codex_fw-la dei_fw-la audi_fw-la christum_fw-la dicentem_fw-la audi_fw-la veritatem_fw-la loquentem_fw-la let_v our_o 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