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A96398	The Quakers no deceivers, or, The management of an unjust charge against them confuted. Being a brief return to a pamphlet, intituled, The Quakers proved deceivers ... by John Horne ... / by one who is counted a deceiver, yet true, George Whitehead.	Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.	1660 (1660)	Wing W1948; ESTC R223010	28,303	43

them J.H. again saith Or is it not evident that our Saviour teacheth thus to pray till his Name be perfectly every where hallowed his Kingdom fully come and his Will perfectly done every where even in earth as in heaven which is not in this world saith he I answer Why should Christ teach his to pray that his Will may be perfectly done every where even in earth as it is in heaven if it be not in this World so to be done What darkness is this J. H. in and confusion And how hath he herein appeared against the end for which the Disciples of Christ prayed as he taught them who prayed that the Fathers Will might be done in Earth as in Heaven which this Priest hath denied to be in this World but Christs Testimony contradicts him for Christ saith What things soever ye desire when ye pray believe that ye receive them and ye shall have them Mark 11.23 24. And they desired the Will of God to be done in Earth as in Heaven where there is no sin J. H. saith But by adding the Prayer for daylie Bread and that before Prayer for forgiveness of their Trespasses doth he not imply that so long as men have need of Bread for their life they have also need to pray for pardon of and keeping from sin if then the quakers so called will say they have no sin in them let them manifest it in living without Bread or food and we may then it may be think there is ground to believe them that the Name of God is so hallowed his Kingdom so come and his will so done in them that they have no sin nor trespasses Answ Here J. H. hath shewed himself to be a scornful tempter and a blind unbeliever For Christ when upon earth did eat Bread and Food but that did not argue that he had sin and he hath left us an example that his steps should be followed who did not sin 1 Pet. 2 21 22. And how shall men pray for keeping from sin if they may not be kept from it according to J. H. his Words who also would make Christs praying of none effect if none may be kept from sin for Christ prayed to the Father that his children might be kept from the evil even in the World and be perfect in one as he and his Father were one John 17. And twhen some of the quakers have fasted certain dayes together as they were moved and as many of Gods People have done and been upheld in it by the Power of God some of this generation of tempters have slandered them as being in delusion or Witchcraft and one partaking of their iniquities is this Priest Horne and he saith that they may it may be think there is ground to believe us if we will live without bread or food It appears its but doubtful whether they 'l believe us or not if such a thing might be Thus J.H. thy folly and deceit is gone abroad Oh! gross darkness is thy Habitation J. H. saith Note whosoever is born of God sinneth not whosoever is perfectly born of God as the spirits of just men made perfect that is deceased they cannot sin nor the men when their spirits and bodies shall be re-united in the Resurrection but none are so perfectly born of God here Answ Oh what pitiful stuff is here to imagine that men are not perfectly born of God so as not to sin till they are deceased and when their spirits and bodies should be re-united in the Resurrection And this would make the work of God imperfect here when all his Works are perfect And what were these that were born of God in the Apostles dayes who the Apostle said could not sin some that were deceased and risen again having their bodies and spirits re-united then in the Resurrection according to what J.H. speaks Surely J. H. had I said as much as thou hast done herein thou might well have said that I undermine the hope of the Gospel and much more of thy confusion and lyes have I left unmentioned here And where J.H. saith that G.F. and G.W. uncivilly pos●●d him up as going away on purpose intending that they posted him up as going on purpose out of Lin to avoid disputing with them this is falshood For what we posted up had not those words in it but was a true Relation to certifie the people why we could not then have a publike meeting as we demanded neither with J.H. nor T.M. that they might not think that the canse of our not meeting with them at that time did lie upon our parts but upon theirs and this was occasioned by J.H. his many slanderous Papers which he posted up before wherein he charged the ●●●kers with being dec●ivers and accursed and in some of his Papers he promised to make that charge good as and when thereto lawfully called which he hath not yet done nor can do Some of J. H. his Doctrines and slanders against us are here again laid down which all that are sober-minded who read this may judge of and see that he hath not made them good against us One particular he urged and in effect affirmed was That the corruption which Paul groaned and waited for the redemption of the body from was the corruption of Mortality in which the body is in death when it is in corruption That the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lived That the Scriptures never sayes Let not sin be in you That there is no man living that sinneth not Jesus Christ excepted That the Quakers are deceivers and such as the People ought not to hear but to account them accursed That they to wit the Quakers come not as the true Prophets and Apostles did viz. With abasements of themselves and lifting up God and Christ. That they subvert the Faith in saying that the knowledge of Christ that is to eternal salvation is the knowledge of him after the Spirit as he was before the world was That they deny the resurrection of the bodies of men That they deny Christ to have that body in heaven glorified in which he suffered and rose again That the Quakers say the coming of Christ in which he shall descend with a shout with the voice of the Arch-Angel and the Trump of God and when the dead in Christ shall be raised and the living believers be changed is over and past J.H. said he is not a dumb dog for he is able to tear and woory me and such Foxes Now these his charges against us called quakers which are but a few of his many slanders I return them back upon him and reject them as lyes and slandars and if he further assay to make them good I shall know further how to proceed against him as the Lord shall make way for I have much more of his confusion false doctrines and slanders which are not yet gone abroad which I have noted and are upon Record One thing more I note That the said J. Horne and T. Moore in a Paper against me say of us called quakers That we be indeed Vipers and Scorpions Cockatrices not to be charmed and like the Locusts out of the bottomless pit whose sting is in their Tales they say And yet these men that have thus reproached us have confessed that we are a heavy judgement that God hath ordered to them to punish them for their neglect of Christ the salvation of God and the Truth of him so long abused by them Novv from their ovvn confession they are such as have not the seal of God upon their foreheads for the Locusts were onely sent to punish these men that had not the seal of God upon their foreheads Rev. 94. Thus their malice and confusion is gone abroad who shall know one day that we are another manner of Judgement against them then the Locusts and the more they strive against the heavy Judgement that God hath ordered to punish them for the neglect of Christ and abusing of his Truth the greater will their shame and torment be And all People in whom there is a simplicity of Truth appearing and a desire stirring in you after life for your souls beware of the Leaven of these Deceivers and abusers of the Truth who are so contending and pleading for sinne whereby the Devils Kingdom is upheld and strengthened and his subjects encouraged in his service for the hand of the Lord is against them and God will assuredly confound and overthrow them their confusion and folly is already much gone abroad therefore feed not you upon their confusion nor upon their chaff dead words but come off from among these barren Mountains and heed the appearance of the Light of the Lord in you and feel it that you may come to the bread of Life and to feed upon the flesh of Christ which comes down from Heaven For the Lord is exalting his holy Mountain above all the barren Mountains that have lifted up themselves against him Blessed are they that come into the love of the Truth and wait in the Light of it in them whereby they may be undeceived and escape out of the snares of such ungodly men who make a prey upon souls The End

resurrection of the bodies of men c. Rep. This is another slander for we own the resurrection of the bodies both of the just and unjust according to the Scriptures and see how again this accuser is confounded He and T. M. in a Paper to me say That we we are of no judgment about the Resurrection To which I say then how should we either deny it or affirm ought of it Several other things hath I. H. also falsly accused us within in his fourth page which I have answered elsewhere And to my saying that Christ bid Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect I. H. saith Exhortations to things prove not those things to be perfectly attained by any here nor doth the Scripture ever say Let not sin be in you as if men might get it all out though it says Let it not reign in your mortal bodies Rep. Then if the things which Christ exhorted men to upon earth may not be perfectly attained by any here to what end or effect was his Exhortation What must men be under the commands after death which they had in their life time and not till then fulfill them Here 's darkness indeed manifest and the commands of God put afar off and made of none effect by such as are out of his love for he that loveth God keepeth his Commandments and is it not all one for the Scripture to say Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect as if it said Let not sin be in you Or the same to say Wash you make ye clean or keep Gods Commandments and love and serve him with all your heart soul strength and minde which must be fulfilled then what part of man must be a subject for sin to dwell in while he lives here as J. H. would have it if no part of man be a subject to sin so long as he lives then it cannot abide in him as take away the body of it and its members cannot remain And to my saying that J. H. had not proved that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lived he saith How false that was appears in what J. H. said on Psal 143.2 To which I say that Scripture does not prove that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lived for there it s said Enter not into judgment with thy servant O Lord for in thy sight shall no man living be justified and what J. H. said on this will not prove that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them while they lived seeing the Scripture it self doth not prove it it s no matter of his words who perverts the Scriptures and that Scripture does not include the Saints as to prove them unjustified who were changed from that state wherein no man living could be justified in the sight of God and were come thorow the death and the many trials and tribulations into the life and righteousness of Christ wherin they were justified and the Prophets of the Lord who desired the Lord to cleanse them from their secret sins and from all iniquity in their life time they prayed not in vain as this Priests Doctrine in effect accuseth them in his accusing them to have sin in them so long as they lived for the Lord giveth the righteous the desires of their hearts Psal 37.4 Prov. 10.24 Again J. Horn relates part of our Discourse deceitfully and imperfectly in these words Viz J. H. Was not Paul born of God when he says We also that have the first fruits of the Spirit even we our selves groan within our selves waiting for the adoption the redemption of the body and then these words he lays down for G. W. his Answer viz. Paul when he travelled and was groaning for deliverance and waiting for the redemption of the body was not as yet born of God but afterward he witnessed a being redeemed from sin and then he was born as a woman when she is in travel to be delivered the childe is not yet born J. H. then says People I pray did you ever hear of a woman in travel before that woman was born was there ever such a thing here he says all the people fell a laughing at G. W. and then J. H. urges 1 Joh. 5.1 Whosoever beleeves that Jesus is the Christ is born of God Paul did beleeve Jesus to be the Christ when he was an Apostle and writ to the Romans and then he saith here George was pittifully put to it and all the people generally see his confusion and saith that G. W. was pittifully shackled and nonplust Here John Horne hath both belyed me and wronged my words and left out the greatest part of what I said that cleared my Answers to the understandings of such as had any sobernesse and seriousnesse in hearing the discourse And that People generally see my Confusion or that I was shackled and non-plust these are some of I.H. his lyes and scornfull aspersions cast upon me as many that heard the dispute can witness against him for impudently belying and slandering me the sum of what I answered and chiefly intended though I could not have liberty to open what I said so much there as here it was thus Paul witnessed the groaning and travelling in pain before the birth was born in him or before he was born of God or in the state of him that is born of God intending as in 1. Joh. 3. who cannot sin which Paul could when he did the evil he would not even when he travelled in pain for deliverance from the bondage of corruption for where the son or birth from above is born the glorious liberty of the sons of God is injoyed which the creature waited for and there the travelling in pain for deliverance is ceased and the bondage of corruption removed for the travel is before the birth be brought forth and as for my instancing the womans travelling in pain before the child was born J.H. hath perverted my comparison it was not intended to prove that Paul was not born into the world according to the flesh wherewith he travelled as if a woman were not so born when in travail but in reference to the travail before the birth which was from above was born and according to what I said Christ spake when he said to his disciples Ye shall weep and lament but the world shall rejoyce and ye shall be sorrowful but your sorrow shall be turned into joy a woman when she is in travail hath sorrow because her hour is come but as soon as she is delivered of the child she remembreth no more the anguish for joy that a man is born into the world Joh. 16.20 and so it was evident that the disciples of Christ knew the travail in the sorrow before the man or birth from above was born in them and they believed and hoped when they were in travail and pain before they became that birth for that birth is free and is not that

reade one clause of their own Book though I. H. soon after fell a reading in one of ours and falsely interpreted our words as is hereafter discovered and when they were so afraid to suffer me to reade one particular in their book many there took notice of their deceit though I was content to dispute on with him when they would not suffer me to reade it for I feel the Power of the Lord over them I. H. saith Then it seems Paul wrote a Lie as touching himself that he waited for the Redemption of the body and travelled in pain when it was false of him he did not so I Answer nay do any charge Paul with falshood but J. H. Paul writ true for as he could condescend to the low estate of others he could weep with them that weep and wait and travel with them that waited for the Redemption of the body where it was not redeemed and as he travelled for the Galatians that Christ might be formed in them when he knew Christ already formed in him Gal. 4.19 J. H. saith Did Paul then witnesse or experiment the Redemption of his body from corruption before he died and then he asks Is not the body sown in corruption when it dies It is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption And again he asks but is not that corruption which is in death in which the body corrupteth and did not Paul wait for the Redemption of his body from that and so he tells of the corruption of mortality Answ Here again is a piece of this J. Horns deceit in leaving out the word bondage which I used in speaking of the creatures Redemption from the bondage of corruption and that Paul witnessed the Redemption of the body from the bondage of corruption when the creature was delivered into the glorious liberty of the sons of God and this the Saints had before their decease and here J. H. so much urging as that Paul waited for the Redemption of the body from the corruption in which it is sowen in death the corruption of mortality in which the body corrupteth This manifests that he cannot discern between the bondage of corruption upon earth and the natural corruption of a dead body in the grave as if that corruption of the dead bodies in the grave were the bondage of corruption which caused the whole Creation to groan and which Paul waited for the Redemption of the body from when he lived upon earth was ever such confusion and folly uttered by a Teacher as is by this J. H. herein for did Paul wait for his body to be redeemed from the corruption of mortality in which it was sown in the Grave before it was in it and needed he wait and travel for such a Redemtion in his life-time it is absurd that J. H about this hath affirmed which people may see that he and such as own his principles do count the bondage of corruption which Paul waited for the redemption of the body from the corruption in which the body corrupteth in the grave and so would make men beleeve that Paul waited for the redemption of the body from that corruption of the body in death before it was in it and that his body is not redeemed from the bondage of corruption till it be raised again out of the grave so that from this then Paul is not yet come to the redemption of his body which so many hundred years he groaned and waited for seeing that resurrection of the bodies is not yet come so you may here see that this Priest Horn hath not spoken the language and doctrine delivered by the Apostles and therefore is not to be listened to nor followed but to be accounted accursed according to his own sentence it must be measured to him again for Paul groaned not for that he would have been uncloathed but cloathed upon 2 Cor. 5.4 and the redemption of the body was the adoption which the Saints waited for through the Spirit of adoption and which they received seeing for that end God sent forth his Son made of a woman made under the Law to redeem them that were under the Law that we might receive the adoption of sons Gal. 4 4 5 6. J. H. saith Well George hitherto I have made good my charge That you come not as the true Prophets and Apostles thou hast not been able to prove that any of them preached themselves free from sin so as to be without sin I reply here I. H. hath again added to his former lies and folly for how is his charge like to be made good by my not proving that the true Prophets and Apostles preached themselves free from sin so as to be without it if I had not done it but herein hath he spoken deceitfully but his charge should rather have been made good if he had proved that all the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them and were sinners so long as they lived according to his words and then that we preach our selves free from sin and not to have confessed our sins as the Apostles and Prophets did which is according to his words or charge against us which things he could never prove against us for he knows not the confessions we have made of our sins and we preach not our selves perfect as if our preaching made us perfect or as if we were so of our selves but we preach the work of Christ which doth truly free from sin and make perfect and he it is that is made to us Righteousnesse and Perfection who hath loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood unto him be glory and dominion for ever and ever Rev. 1.5 And so I.H. his saying that a man may be perfect in a Scripture-sense and yet have sin Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his dayes and yet he sinned To which I say It is not said that Asa's heart was perfect all his life-time for if it were it might as well be said he was perfect when he was in the natural state and when his heart was turned from the Lord that he relied not on him but on the King of Syria for which the Prophet reproved him for dealing so foolishly insomuch that Asa was in rage with him and put him into prison and oppressed or crushed some of the people at that time and when he was diseased in his feet he sought not to the Lord but to the Physicians so could his heart be perfect with the Lord when it was so far gone from the Lord If any shall answer Yea then I say may it not as well be said now of them who are oppressors and persecutors of the servants of the Lord and whose hearts are departed from the Lord that their hearts are yet perfect with the Lord So it being said that Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his dayes 2 Chron. 15.17 was intended while he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord while the