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A07693 The co[n]futacyon of Tyndales answere made by syr Thomas More knyght lorde chau[n]cellour of Englonde; Confutacyon of Tyndales answere. Part 1 More, Thomas, Sir, Saint, 1478-1535.; Tyndale, William, d. 1536. Answere unto Sir Thomas Mores dialoge. 1532 (1532) STC 18079; ESTC S114986 309,752 370

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a shamelesselye wherof euery man well knoweth the contrarye wolde god hym self beleued as well of this holy sacrament as the sympleste lerned preest in a contrey teacheth his paryshe whych yf he dyd his herte I dare saye wolde not serue hym so folyshely to ieste therat For he speketh there of prechynge of ꝓmise for no other cause but onely to bryng in his worshypfull ieste of our lordis holy body beyng in the sacramēt to say he is there all saue his cote Of whych holy sacramēt he that iesteth so beleueth of lyklyhed that there is no more of his body there thē of his cote I haue in his boke of obedyēce cōsydered his wordes of this holy sacrament I haue aduysed thē the better for certayne wordes that I haue herd of hym I se not one worde by whych he may be bounden to saye that euer he confessed yt to be the very body and blood of Cryste How be yt yf he had yt were not yet wyth that sorte mych the surer For they maye do as theyr mayster hath saye the contrarye after and when they say worse thē tell vs that they haue sene more synnys and lerned better How be yt he is in dede comen to that poynt all redy as ye shall perceyue by his wordes in his boke made agaynste me wherof I shall reherse you parte anon And yet we nede not mych more profe whē we se that he mokketh at y● masse and wolde haue no preest at all nor the sacrament to be taken as a sacryfyce and now iesteth vppon the doctrine that teacheth vs to byleue that in the sacrament is the blessed bodye and blood of our lorde to turne yt to a mokke ye sayth this fole all saue his cote a worshyppefull ieste in a crysten mannes mouth that mouth is more mete in dede for sand then holy salt What auayseth sayth he to teache folke this that the very bodye and bloode of our lorde is in that sacramēt the deuyll knoweth that Criste dyed on a frydaye and the Iewes to and what are they the better we haue a promyse 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 why steppeth he from thexample of the same sacrament why saythe he not the deuyll kn●weth this to be trewe that vnder the forme of brede is Cristes owne bodye and yet the deuyll is neuer y● better Surely bycause hym selfe beleueth that the deuyll knoweth yt not at all nor god neyther And for bycause he wold not yet haue vs therin ꝑceyue his mīde to the vttermoste he ioyned the Iewes wyth the deuyll to f●e fro the sacrament to the fryday where he myght haue seuered them and spoken of both or ellys wyth the Iewes the deuyll he myght haue ioyned hym selfe and haue bounden all thre in a bundell For he byleueth lesse then the tone and is as malycyouse as any of them both yet to th entēt that ye may perceyue clerely that he is playne of Luthers heresye that the sacrament of the auter is very brede styll ye shall vnderstande that where as I in my dyaloge reherse Luthers heresyes and amonge other thys heresye that I now speke of Tyndale in hys answere affyrmeth Luthers heresye for good and trew sayeng That that is broken and that the preste ●ateth wyth his teth is yt not brede what is yt elles And after those wordes he goth forth in iestynge mokkynge god wote full lyke hym selfe And sone after in a nother place he sayth in defense of Luthers heresye bycause he wold haue folke set lesse therby haue lesse reuerence therunto It were a perilouse case yf men and women touched yt bycause the 〈◊〉 hath not oyled them And afterwarde he sayth At Oxforde aboute the sacrament was no smale question of late dayes whyther yt were brede or none some affermyng that the flowre wyth longe lyenge in water was turned in to starch More what a cankerd mynde this heretyque hath there can I trow no man dowte that hereth what folysh gaudes he deuyseth vppon it of his own frantyque hed For yf euer there were any such folysh fantasye spoken there yt was by hym selfe one or twoo wretched felows of his owne secte syttynge and blasphemynge god vppon theyr ale benche But now shall ye yet more playnely se to what poynt he goth aboute to brynge you Tyndale It is the sacrament of Crystes bodye and blood and Cryste calleth yt the new and euerlastynge testament in his blood and commaundeth that we shuld so do in the remembraunce of hym that his bodye was broken and his blood shede for our synnes And Paule commaundeth therby to shew or preache the lordes deth They say not pray to yt neyther put any fayth therin For I maye not beleue in the sacrament but I muste beleue the sacrament that yt is a true syg●e and yt true that is sygnyfyed thereby whych is the onely worshyppynge of the sacrament yf ye geue yt other worshyppe ye playnely dyshonour yt as I maye not beleue in Crystes chyrche but beleue Cristes chyrch that the doctryne whych they preache of Cryste is true If ye haue any other doctrine teache vs a reason and leade vs in syght and we wyll folowe More No man can desyre better knowledge of hym then he sheweth of hym selfe in these wordes For here he sheweth playnly that though to blere our yies wythall he calleth it the sacrament of Crystes body and blood and his new and euerlasty●ge testament in hys bloode and sayth that we be commaunded by saynt Poule therby to preche the lordes dethe yet he wyl● not in any wyse y● men shall praye therto nor put any fayth therin And it is no dowte but he y● hath that mynde byleueth nothyng at all that it is the very body of Cryste wherwyth hys holy soule is coupled and hys almyghty godhed ioyned from whyche fro the fyrst assumpcyō therof it was neuer seueryd And therfore vnto all hys other gaye gloryouse wordes he hath a false glose by whyche he meaneth that the blessed sacrament is nothynge els but a token a fygure ordayned for a remembrauns of Cryste and not the very body and bloode of hym selfe It is also to be noted whereuppon he groūdeth this holy precepte of hys that men sholde not praye to the sacrament nor put any fayth therin He sayth bycause that the scrypture doth not commaunde it therfore it is dyshonoure to the sacrament to do it Doth not these wordes alone teche vs suffycyently to knowe the myscheyfe of that heresye by whych they say that there is nothyng to be byleued without playn and euydent scrypture when we se now y● Tyndale vppon that doctryne of hys forbedeth vs to honour the holy sacrament of the autre ye may se now that Tyndale vttered not all his false ware at onys For fyrst he bygan wyth ymages then wyth relyques then wyth sayntes that we maye wurshyppe none of all these And now at laste he techeth vs that we maye not worshyppe Crystes owne body
many thousande bodyes and by synfull errours abomynable heresyes many mo thousand soules haue now a few malycyouse myscheuouse persons broughte into this realme and labour and enforce them selfe in all that euer they may to corrupte and infecte all good and vertuouse people Nor no man is there any where lyuynge more studyouse and besye to do hym selfe good thē those enuyouse wreches be laboryouse and feruent to do all other men harme in bodye substaunce and soule There be fledde out of this realme for heresy a few vngracyouse folke what maner folke theyr wrytynge and they re lyuynge sheweth For the captayns be prestes monkes and freres that neyther say masse nor matens nor neuer come at ●hirche takyng styll of fayth and full of false heresyes wold seme Crystes apostles play the deuels dysours spekyng mych of the spirite with no more deuocyon then dogges dyuerse of them prestes monkes and freres not let to wedde harlottes and then call theym wyues And when they haue ones vyleyned the sacrament of matirmony then wold they make vs violate the sacrament of the auter to tellynge vs as Tyndale doth that yt is synne to do the blessed body of Cryste in that sacrament any honour or reuerence but onely take yt for a token Now when theyr chyefe captayns be suche we shall not nede to dowte of what sorte we shall reken the remanaunt These felowes that naught had here and therfore noughte caryed hense nor nothynge fyndynge there to lyue vppon be yet sustayned and mayntened wyth monye sent them by some euyll dysposed persones oute of this realme thyther and that for none other entent but to make them sytte seke oute heresyes and spedyly send them hyther whych bokes all be yt that they neyther can be there prēted without great coste nor here solde wythout great aduēture parell yet ceace they not with mony sent frō hēse to prēte thē there send them hyther by the whole fattes full at ones and in some places lokynge for no lucre caste them abrode by nyght so great a pestylent pleasure haue some dyuelysh people caught wyth the labour trauayle coste charge varell harme and hurte of them selfe to seke the d●●●●●cci●n of other As the deuyll hath ●●edely delyght to bygyle good people and brynge theyr soules into euerl●stynge torment wythout any maner wynnynge and not wythout fy●all encreace of his owne eternall payne so do these heretykes the deuyls dyscyples bysette theyr whole pleasure and study to theyr owne fynall damnacyon in the t●aynynge of symple soules to hell by theyr dyuelyshe here●yes Myche they crye oute agaynste the clergye sayeng that the prestes loue to reygne in mennys conscyence But they them self shew that when they haue made the deuyll reygne in a mannys conscyence so farre forth that he hath no conscyence to eate fleshe on good frydaye nor to caste Crystes crosse in the ●anell nor to throw his blessed bodye out of the pyx then after that lykewyse as the false preachers y● were Iewes labored to haue all crysten people circumcysed to th entent that as saynte Poule sayth they myghte glorye in theyr fleshe so be these arche heretyques very glad great glorye they take when they may here that any man is brought to burnynge thorow theyr bokes Then they boste that they haue done a great maystrye and say they haue made a martyr when theyr poysened bokes haue kylled the crystē man both in bodye and soule Thus reioyced Tyndale in the deth Hytton of whose burnyng he bosteth in his answere to my dyaloge where he wryteth therof that where I sayde that I hadde neuer foūden nor herd of any of them but that he wolde forswere to saue his lyfe I hadde herd he sayeth of syr Thomas Hytton whom the bishoppes of Rochester and Cāterbury s●ew at maydstone Of thys man they so hyghly reioyce that they haue as I sayde sette his name in the calēdar byfore a boke of theyr englyshe prayours by the name of saynt Thomas the martyr in the vigyle of the blessed apostle saynte Mathye the xxiii daye of February and haue putte out for hym the holy doctour and gloryouse martyr saynte Polycarpus the blessed byshoppe and the dyscyple of saynte Iohn̄ theuangelyste for that was his day in dede and so is it in some calendars marked Now to th entent that ye may somwhatse what good crysten fayth syr Thomas Hytton was of this newe saynte of Tyndales canonysacyon in whose burnynge Tyndale so gayly gloryeth and whyche hath his ho●y daye so now appoynted to hym that saynte Po●●●arpus muste geue hym place in the calēdar I shall some what shew you what holsome heresyes this holy martyr helde Fyrste ye shall vnderstande that he was a preste and fallynge to Luthers secte and after that to the secte of frere Huskyn and zwynglius caste of matens and masse and all dyuyne seruyce and so bycame an apostle sent to an fro bytwene our englyshe heretyques beyonde the see and suche as were here at home Now happed it so that after he had visyted here his holy congregacyons in dyuers corners and luskes lanes and comforted them in the lorde to stande styffe wyth the deuyll in theyr errours and heresyes as he was goynge bakke agayne at graues ende god consyderyng the greate labour that he had taken all redy and determynyng to brynge his bysynes to his well deserued ende gaue hym sodaynly such a fauour and so greate a grace in the vysage that euery mā that behelde hym toke hym for a thefe For where as there had ben certayne lynen clothes pylfred away that were hangyng on an hedge and syr Thomas Hytton was walkyng not far of suspycyously in the medytacyon of hys heresyes the people dowtynge that the beggerly knaue had stolen y● clowtes fell in questyon wyth hym and serched hym and so fownde they certayne letters secretely conuayed in hys cote wryten from euangelycall brethern here vnto the euāgelycall heretykes beyonde the see And vppon those letters founden he was wyth hys letters brought before the moste reuerende father in god the archebyshoppe of Canterbury and afterwarde as well by hys lordshyppe as by the reuerende father the bysshoppe of Rochester examyned after for hys abomynable heresyes delyuered to the secular handes and burned In hys examynacyon he refused to be sworne to saye trouth affermynge that neyther bysshoppe nor 〈◊〉 hadde authoryte to cōpell hym to swere whych poynte all though it be a false heresye yet is it lykely that he refused the othe rather of frowardnesse then of any respecte that he hadde eyther in kepynge or brekynge For neuer coulde I fynde heretyke yet that any conscyence had in any othe And of trouth Tindale in his answere to my dyaloge techeth them that they maye breke theyr othe and be forsworen wythout any scruple at all Hys father and hys mother he wolde not be aknowen of what they were they were some so good folke of lykelyhed that he coulde not
and haue accursed Tyndale to yf all the myghte haue saued hys lyfe And so he gaue counsayle vnto one Iamys that was for heresye in pryson wyth hym For as Iamys hath synnys confessed Tewkesbery sayed vnto hym saue you your self and abiure But as for me bycause I haue abiured byfore there is no remedy wyth me buth deth By whych wordes yf he had not ben in dyspayre of lyfe it well appereth he wold wyth good wyll haue ones abiured and ones periured agayne And yet at hys examynacyon he denyed that euer he hadde holden any such opynyons as he was abiured for notwythstandyng that there were at hys axamynacyon some persons present of myche honestye and wourshyppe two that had ben present at hys abiuracyon byfore to whyche also hys owne hand was subscrybed And afterwarde beynge ferther examyned vppon the same some he denyed some he defended agayne Amonge other thynges he sayed that he vsed to praye to sayntes that he byleued them to be goddes frendes and that theyr prayours were profytable to vs and well done to praye to them wheruppon I sayd vnto hym my selfe that I was glad to se hym in that poynte yet amended and I shewed hym as the trouth was in dede that I amys helde the contrarye and that he hadde so greate a truste in Tewkesbery that I dowted not but when he sholde here that tewkesbery hadde reuoked that poynt he wolde reuoke it to As sone as Tewkesbery herd that he went from it agayne by and by that so farre that fynally he wolde not agre that before the day of dome there were eyther any saynt in heuen or soule in purgatory or in hell eyther Nor the ryght fayth in the sacrament of the aulter wolde he not confesse in no wyse For which thynges and dyuers other horryble heresy●s he was delyuered at laste vnto the secular handes and burned as there was neuer wretche I wene better worthy yet is there one thynge notable and well declarynge what good and cherytable mynde the mā dyed in For● after that he was delyuered vnto the secular handes neyther whyle he was in pryson nor at the tyme of hys deth wolde he by his wyll be aknowen of any of hys heresyes vnto any man that asked hym any questyon but couered and hyd them by all the meanes he coulde make labored to make euery man wene that he had neuer holden any such opynyon And by thys dealynge euery man maye se that he rought not so mych for his heresyes nor toke them not in his owne mynde for suche thynges as he so gretely forced whyther they went forwarde or bakwarde as he wolde fayne leue an opynyon amonge the people that hys iudges had borne hym wrong in hande condempned hym for such heresyes as he neuer helde And what conscyence he had that dyed in that mynde there is no good man dowteth Now was his examynacyō not secrete but folke inough therat bothe spyrytuall and temporall and of eyther parte ryght wourshypfull so that hys malycyouse mynde can in that poynte lytell take effecte And yet dyd the same Iamys also confesse afterwarde that Tewkesbery had redde vnto hym wyclyffes wykke● agaynst the blessed sacrament And ouer that was there founden about hym by the shyryffes offycers in the pryson a boke of heresye of hys owne hande wrytynge that is to wyt the boke of Marten Luther wherin he teacheth men vnder the name of crysten lybertye to rōne in to the deuyls bo●dage And in hys howse was founden Tyndales boke of obedyence whyche he well alowed and hys wykked boke also of the wykked mammona sayenge at hys examynacyon that all the heresyes therin were good and crysten fayth beynge in dede as full of false heresyes and as frantike as euer heretyke made any syth Cryst was borne And yet all thys notwythstandynge when he was in the shyryffes warde and at the tyme of hys deth he wolde not speke of hys heresyes any thynge nor say that he had helde and wolde holde thys poynt and that but handeled hym selfe as couertly as he coude to make the people wene that he hadde holden no maner opynyon at all nor neuer had I thynke yf Tyndales vngracyouse bokes had neuer come in hys hande For whych the pore wreche lyeth now in hell and cryeth out on hym and Tyndale yf he do not amēde in tyme he is lyke to fynde hym when they come togyther an hote fyrebronde burnynge at hys bakke that all the water in the worlde wyll neuer be able to quenche Another is there also whom hys vnhappy bokes haue brought vnto the fyre Tho. Bylney thas was before abiured whyche was the man of whom wythout name I spake so mych in my dyaloge whyche beyng conuycte by .xx. wytnesses and aboue dyd yet stykke styll in hys denyall sayd they were all sorsworen and had vtterly belyed hym But god whyche is very trouth and bryngeth at last alwaye the trouth to lyght wolde not suffer suche obstynate vntrouth at length to passe vnpunyshed but of hys endles mercy brought hys body to deth gaue hym yet the grace to turne and saue hys soule For so was it that after dyuerse sermons whyche he had after hys abiuracyon and agaynst the prohybycyon gyuen hym vppon hys abiuracyon made in sundry secrete corners and some also openly wherof the bysshoppe yet bycause he herde of none heresye therin had forborne to lay the dysobedyence to hys charge he went vnto Nor wych where he had enfected dyuers of the cytye before And beynge there secretely kepte by a certayne space had in the whyle resorte vnto an ancresse and there began secretely to sow hys cocle and brought vnto her dyuers of Tyndales bokes and was there taken in the doynge and the bokes after founden about a nother man that was conuayenge them thense and these thynges who so herde the hole processe cam in suche wyse to passe that he coulde nothynge dowbte but that it came to lyght by the very prouysyon of god when he came to examynacyon he waxed styffe and stoborne in hys opynyons But yet was god so good and gracyous lorde vnto hym that he was fynally so fully conuerted vnto Cryste and hys trew catholyke fayth that not onely at the fyre as well in wordes as wrytynge but also many dayes before he had reuoked abhorred and detested suche heresyes as he before had holden whych notwythstandyng there lakked not some that were very sory for it of whom some sayd and some wrote out of Norwych to Londō that he had not reuoked his heresyes at all but styll had abyden by them And suche as were not ashamed thus to saye and wryte beynge afterwarde examyned theruppon saw the cōtrary so playnely proued in theyr faces by suche as at hys execucyon stode by hym whyle he redde hys reuocacyō hym selfe that they had in conclusyon nothynge elles to say● but that he redde hys reuocacyon so softely that they coude not here it
payne of Cryste maketh our penaunce auaylable to them that set not so lytell by theyr synne but that they be content and thynke them selfe well worthy to take payne and penaunce for theyr synne them selfe But bycause he wyll that men repent the doyng of theyr synne and then no more but fayth I wolde wyt of Tyndale what calleth he repentynge a lytell short sorow or a great sorow and a longe If a lytell prety sorow and very shortely done I wolde as fayne he sayed trew as I fere that he lyeth If a great seruent sorow wyth grefe and trouble of mynde not shortely shot ouer but kepte contynued longe then force I lytell of his heresye For no dowte is it but that Tyndals tale to suche a man shall seme god wote full fond For he that hath suche repentaunce wyll to shryfte I warraunt you and take penaunce of the preste do mych more there to what so euer Tindale tell hym And he that is cristened careth for no shryfte repenteth neuer a dele but they that repente not at all be Tyndals repentaunt synners wyll ye se that it is so Go me to Martyn Luther the fyrst mayster of Tyndale in thys mater though now hys scoler passeth hym whyle that frere lyeth with his nonne woteth well he doth nought and sayth styll he doth well let Tyndale tell me what repentynge is that He repenteth euery mornynge and to bedde agayne euery nyghte thynketh on goddys promyse fyrste and then go synne agayne vppon truste of goddys testamēt and then he calleth it castynge of a lytell mylk in to the mayne see Of the sacrament of order Tyndale By a preste in the new testament vnderstande nothynge ellys but an elder to teache the yonger to brynge them to the full knowlege and vnderstandyng of Cryste and to mynystre the sacramentes whych Cryste ordeyned More By the wordes he meaneth that the holy order is no sacrament nor is nothyng ellys but an elder to teache the yōger and to mynystre the sacraments suche as Cryste ordeyned And in this wyse he sayth we be all prestes both mē and women to For he sayth in the same boke precysely and in this boke to that women may consecrate the holy body of Crist. Agaynste whych folysh blasphemouse bablynge were very great foly to dyspute syth of as many good holy vertuouse women as hathe bene in crystendone syth crystes deth vnto this daye was there neuer none yet but that her harte wold haue abhorred yf such an hygh p̄sumptuous thought shold ones haue fallen in her mynde And what wold yt auayle to dyspute wyth hym syth he mokketh and skoffeth out the wordes of saynte Paule wrytten vnto Tymothe in whyche the sacrament of order ys so playnly proued that all the worlde can not denye yt but yf they make a mokke at saynt Paule as Tyndale doth Now in that he sayth the sacramentes that Cryste ordeyned he meaneth nothynge ellys but his playne heresyes agaynst all the sacramentes saue twayne that is baptysme and the sacrament of the aute● as yt haue all redy sene in all the remanaunt And now syth he leueth but thē twayne I pray you consyder how holyly he handeleth them twayne and ye shall se that he myght allmost as well deny thē both as handle them after the fashyon And fyrste here how he hādeleth the holy sacrament of baptysme Of the sacrament of baptysme these be his wordes Tyndale The sacramētes which Criste hym self ordeyned which haue also promises and wolde saue vs yf we knew them and byleued them them they mynyster in the latine tonge So a● they also bycome as vns●rutefall as the tother And after he sayth forther Baptisme is called volowy●ge in ma●ny places in Englande bycause the preste sayth volo saye ye The chylde was well volued say they ye and our vicare is as fayre volwer as any preste wyth in this twentye myses More All this great scoffynge ariseth onely bycause that chyldern be crystened in latyne For whyche onely cause he sayth that the baptysme is vtterly frutelesse ye by his tale worse then frutelesse to For he sayth they be now in lyke cause as ar the tother sacramentes whych he sayth haue no promyse in scrypture and therfore are he sayth supersticyouse And lo thus fyrst ye se that as longe as euer any chyldern haue in Englande ben crystened in laten there was neuer chyld● the better for the cristendome And then yf this lye be trew there is yet neuer a crysten man nor neuer a crysten woman in all England excepte happely som well latyned Iewes cōuertyd or ellys suche Englysh chyldern as lerned theyr grāmer in theyr mothers bely Howe be yt I wolde euery other thynge were as ethe to mende as this is for this mater may be sone eased It may be now vppō this faute foūden be prouyded vppon Tyndales counsell that all the Englyshe chyldern shall be crystened in englyshe and then they shall vnderstande all the mater well inough ye wote well and speke for them selfe to But then fyndeth Tyndale twoo great fautes for which he sayth that all the baptisyng of the chylde is fruteles One he sayth bycause of the false byleue that the plungyng in the water saueth them a nother for that the promyse is not taught them But there I wolde fayne wyt of Tyndale syth he sayth that the baptysme is frutelesse for such causes and syth he muste nedes meane at the tyme of the cristenynge for yf he shold meane no more but that the chylde sholde lease the frute at lenght for lake of suche instruccyon after then were his wordes false though he sayde therin trewe for then were not bapaysme vnfrutefull for yt were very frutefull at the leste wise to a great many that god calleth hens ere euer the lacke of such lernyng can be layed to theyr charge thus I saye Tyndale must nedys meane therfore that for these fautes the frute of the baptisme is lost euē at the fonte no grace goten therby or ellys his tale were false And ye wote well in no wyse wyll he lye for that were poetrye Now syth he sayth thē that the baptysme is frutelesse at the founte for these causes I wolde wit of hym whyther it be voyde because these thynges be not at the fount preached to y● godfathers or because they be not preached there vnto the chyld yt self If he say that yt is frutelesse for lakke of prechyng there vnto y● chyld yt self then I deny not but the Tyndale sayth ryght well and reasonable and I shall speke to the persone of our parysshe that he shall preche to the chyld at the fount and tell hym many good talis in his ere But surely yf he say that the baptysme is frutelesse at the founte for lakke of such thynges there taught vnto the godfathers therin coulde I not agre wyth hym for they come not to be crystened there them self and so the lakke of that prechyng
for the worde penaunce what so euer the greke worde be yt euer was and yet yt is lawfull inough so that Tyndale geue vs leue to call any thynge in englyshe by what worde so euer englysh men by comen custume agre vppon And therfore to make a chaung of the englyshe worde as though that all Englande shold go to scole wyth Tyndale to lerne englyshe is a very frantyque foly But now the mather standeth not therin at all For Tyndale is not angry wyth the worde but bycause of the mater For this greueth Luther hym that by penaūce we vndrestāde when we speke therof so many good thynges therin not a bare repētyng or forthynkyng onely but also euery parte of the sacrament of penaunce confessyon of mouthe contrycyon of herte aud satysfaccyon by good dedis For yf we called it but the sacrament of repentaūce and by that worde wolde vnderstande as mych good therby as we now do by the worde penaunce Tyndale wold be than as angry wyth repentaunce as he is now wyth penaunce For he hateth nothyng but to here that mē shold do any good we haue for our pore englysshe worde penaunce the vse of all englysshe men syth penaunce fyrste beganne amonge them And that is authoryte inough for an englysshe word excepte Tyndale wyll bynde vs to fetche authoryte of reasō for euery worde of euery langage out of Albert de modis significandi bycause that frere Luther frere Huyskyn and frere Lamberte haue so sore se● theyr study vppon Alberte de secretis musierum And yet yf he wyll nedys prece vppon vs therewyth we maye saye that we take in penaunce of the latyne worde penitentia whyche the chyrche vseth for the same sacrament or we maye saye that the worde penaunce is deryued and commeth of the worde payne whyche bothe in harte in worde and in dede the penytent sholde indeuour hym selfe 〈◊〉 conceyue and sustayne for his synne But this is it that Tyndale so sore doth abhorre For he consequentely sayth Tyndale So now the scrypture sayth repent or set yt forthynke you and come and by● se●e the go●●●ll or glad tydynges that is broughte you in Cryst and so shall all befor 〈…〉 ben● forth sy●e a new lyfe More Here semeth a godly thynge and is in dede very deuelysshe For the wordes that be spoken to the hethen to come to crystendome in thentre wherof at baptysme they be new regendred to god and clensed clene purged from all spottes these wordes draweth Tyndale to them that be crystened all redy kepe theyr bylefe styll and yet fall into dedely synne agayne For whose recōcylyacyon agayne to god our lorde hath of hys goodnesse instytuted the sacrament of penaunce wythout whyche they that after baptysme fall agayne to synne do lese the frute of theyr baptysme yf the tyme serue them to take it And therfore sayth holy saynt Hierom that the sacramēt of penaunce is the borde vppon whyche a man geteth to londe and saueth hym selfe after the shyppewrake whyche wordes of hys Luther in hys boke of Babiloni●● sore dysprayseth For saynt Hierome sheweth that the sacrament of baptysme is the shyppe and was fygured by the shyppe of Noe out of whyche there was no man saued And when a man breketh the shyppe of hys baptysme in the storme of tentacyon and falleth into the depe see of synne then hath he yet hys remedy prouyded by god yf he catche holde vppon the borde of the salte sacrament of penaūce so swymme and god wyll helpe whyle he laboreth hym selfe to lande But Luther and Tyndale wolde haue vs wene that after baptysme there nedeth no more but repent and by and by all is gone agayne and clene wasshed awaye synne payne eternall and temporall and all togyther and that man in lyke case as when he came fyrste fro the fonte But who ●o consyder well the ●ordes of saynt Poule in the syxte chapyter vnto the Hebrewes shall fynde it farre vnlyke where saynt Paule sayth in thys wyse Hebre. 6 It is impossyble that they whyche haue ben ones illumyned and haue tasted the heuenly gyfte and haue ben made per●eners of the holy goost and haue also tasted the good worde of god and the powers of the worlde to come then are slyden downe sholde be renewed agayne by penaunce crucyfyeng agayne to them self the sonne of god and hauyng hym in derysyon Here sheweth thys blessed apostle Poule that the dedely synne cōmytted after baptysme putteth a man in that case that it shall be very harde for so is impossyble somtyme taken in scrypture by penaunce to be renewed agayne that is to wyt to come agayne to baptysme or to the state of baptysme in whyche we be so fully renewed and the olde synne so fully forgyuen that we be forthwyth in suche wyse innocētes that yf we dyed forthwyth there were neyther eternall payne nor temporall payne appointed for vs that is to wyt neyther helle nor purgatory But that dedely synne cōmytted after baptysme is very harde by the sacrament of penaunce confessyon contrycyon and greate payne taken to to brynge vs agayne in the case that the temporall payne dew therfore in purgatory shall be worne all out by our penaunce done here In all whyche thynges we neuer exclude the specyall pryuylege of goddys absolute mercy For by hys myghty mercy the thynge that is impossyble to man is not impossyble to god as our sauyour sayth in the gospell of Mathewe Mat. 19 But I speke of the ordynary course of hys comen ordynaūce in whyche is excepted also the prayours and good dedys wyth whiche any man is besyde hys owne penaunce holpen and releued wyth the good dedys of other mennys cheryte or the spyrytuall treasour of Crystes chyrche vppon good cause applyed conuenyently towarde the redemynge of hys temporall payne But ellys I saye by the authoryte of saynt Poule in thys place that it shall be very hard for a man by penaunce wrought in grace to be restored agayne to the state of baptysme clere from all payne dew for the synne For syth the sacrament of baptysme whyche regendreth vs and maketh vs new creaturys doth not so fully apply y● passyon of Cryste for our satysfaccyō that it so dyschargeth vs from all the payne of synne but that we sustayne yet euery man for hym selfe the pa●nefull twych of bodely deth we maye well byleue the apostle in thys place that the payne temporally dew to our actuall synne commytted after baptysme is not so sone worne out and payed by penaunce but that it is as saynt Poule sayth a thynge very harde to do For the spyrytuall creature whyche baptysme begeteth and createth of new penaunce fyndynge by synne agayne all to frus●hed plastereth and patcheth vppe and maketh mych wo●●e to cure the wounde and brynge it to a scarre ●●●ude for my parte be very well content that synne pay●● and all were as shortely gone as Tyndale telleth vs.