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A10875 Differences in matters of religion, betweene the easterne and westerne churches VVherein the Romane Church may see her selfe charged with as many errours, as shee falsly layeth to the charge of other churches in Europe. Gathered by Irenæus Rodoginus. Rodoginus, Irenaeus. 1625 (1625) STC 21141; ESTC S116064 28,860 89

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a saying to be registred in the hearts printed vpon the fore-heads of turbulent and furious spirits now adayes who cannot indure but with gnashing of teeth that any Church or Countrey baptize with crossing after haue Organs or Altars Curats or Prebenders vse Cap or Surplise because they haue them not or rather will not haue them at all or else because they are in vse in the Popish Church a fine reason indeed I wonder that these men can indure preaching in a Church built by a Papist or ringing of Bells this being a custome vsed by the Papists or giuing of thankes after meat seeing the Papist doth the like And as those men loathe euery Ceremonie which the Romane Church hath so doth the Romish Church detest the Greeke Church and shee no lesse the Romish so that this question being propounded to Chomatianus by a Greeke Whether it was lawfull for a Greeke to enter into a Latin Church and worship there being desired he answered negatiuely Tom. 1. Iuris Graecorum Balsamon saith That all the ceremonies of the Latin church differing from the ceremonies of the holy Catholike Church he meaneth the Greeke Church are to be reiected and no societie to be kept with the Latines Ibidem Cabasila propounded a question to Iohn Bishop Citrius if the Greeks which were buried in the Latine Churches and had Hymnes sung at their Funeralls could be subiect to censure Yea after the Councell of Florence the rage of the Grecians was so great against those that were at the Councell and accorded to some Articles for the purchasing of ayd against the Turke who at that time tooke the neuer enough lamented citie of Constantinople that when they came home though subiect to the vncertaine and faithlesse mercy of the barbarous conquerour they excommunicated all those who accorded to the Articles and when their soules had taken their good night in parting from the body they cast them like dogs into ditches and denied them most barbarously the benefit of Christian buriall The Latine Church not being willing to be inferiour to her sister in these prankes doth serue the Protestants after the like manner for if any of the reformed Church die amongst them his soule is determinately sent packing to Hell by the Popes * For euery Holy Thursday he curseth all Protestants cursing his body it must either lie vnburied at all or else it must be carried to some place where Protestants vse to interre their dead O my soule what shalt thou think How must thou meditate vpon the barbarous and beastly crueltie against the dead bodies of them who liued to the eyes of all vnblameable perchance and died in the faith of the Lord Iesus holding him onely their Redeemer Sauiour and Mediatour baptized in the Name of the Father Sonne and Holy Ghost giuing testimonies of their comfort and gladnesse in the houre of their death shewing by their cheerfulnesse the Prognostications and infallible tokens of their entrance and fore-smelling of endlesse glory Such mens bones doe the Papists debarre from resting in that Portion of our Grand-mother Tellus where the former Saints bodies which now in part triumph in delight rest waiting for a glorious resurrection a perfect beatitude with a full and plenary indulgence acquittance from sin and her reward death for death is the wages and stipend of sinne Is not this a tyrannie going far beyond that of Nero surpassing that of Decius and an hundred times more execrable than that of Heliogabalus These men can suffer him whom they haue seene with their eyes die in a kennell stabbing and stabbed in a drunken humour or him who all his life time hath played the throat-cutting Ruffian or the leacherous whoremonger and who at last hath dyed in the Poxe without so much as poenitendi animus yea him whom they haue heard with their eares awake Stix Lethe and Acheron with hideous and fearfull bannings abuse with thunderbolts and cannon-shot volies of abominable oathes the great and glorious Name of the euerliuing God such men I say they can indure to be intombed incoffined with them and to haue their portion in their ground and to lie among them with abundance of peace whereas they would striue to ransacke Heauen and Earth yea Acheronta mouerent they would euen trouble Hell it selfe if they did know that any Protestants ashes did rest there O Lord how long wilt thou delay and suffer this vnheard of crueltie To returne to my purpose The reason of all these things is either the want of charitie or of prudent discretion of things necessary from things indifferent This age is pestered yea it is consumed with these fire-brands in matters indefinable Many good Christian people haue vsed direct and indirect meanes to cure this sore to quench these faggots with their Writings full of prudence and pietie but behold their reward both the parties haue persecuted them with calumnies calling them Neutralls neither hic nor haec Nullifidians Vbiquitaries yea the ordinary censure goeth so far as without soule and conscience now to call them Atheists Or else both the parties hate them in such a measure that they thrust them from their Communions This maketh the Speakers in this businesse to bee few but Writers almost none I remember that conferring with a learned man concerning this subiect I asked him why he did not write his iudgement in these controuersies His answer was Cui vsui reip Christianae et cui bono mihi telling me that it could not helpe the generall cause one whit but doe much hurt to the doer I know many such on both sides who lament the Schisme and yet cannot helpe it Oh that the Roman Church sometimes the beautifullest amongst women that fairest and most glistering Church amongst all her Sisters millitant vpon Earth would acknowledge her selfe to be a Sister and not a Mistris There was a time when she gaue her helping hand as at the famous Councells of Nice Ephesus Constantinople and Chalcedon and did not rule with a dictatory power There was a time when in an harmonicall concord she was moued with the rest of her planeticall and wandring Sisters in this vaile of sorrow and triall by the reuolution of her first mouer and did shine amongst them all like Phoebus in his Spheare imparting out of her deuotion and charytie that portion of light which her Redeemer had made her Hand-maide of euen then when Arrianisme had ouer-runne all the Orient and Affrick when Ierome cried out of it Ingemuit mundus se Arrianum esse factum but now the fogge of her smoakie vapours obscureth the declining rayes of Religion and Charity which in the latter ages are so fast rushing to their Sun-set yea to their lamentable and darkesome midnight Alas who shall furnish my eyes with floods of waters who shall make my head a liuing spring that from henceforth I may water my Couch with sorrowfull teares Let mee mourne with the Turtle and chatter with the Crow for the losse
〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but in that weeke eate flesh as also on two daies of the first weeke of Lent They begin their fasting vpō the fourth day of the weeke called Wednesday by vs giuing a reason forsooth because from this day of the first weeke to the weeke of Palmes the fortie daies are accomplished so strict are these fasters in keeping exactly the number of fortie The second branch is because the Latins once a day quickly eating at night they eate fish their bellies full and some bcome drunke and they make no conscience to drinke all the day long and yet with this one refreshment of theirs they will haue their fast vnblamable and vnreprehensibly kept The third is because on euery Saturday and Lords day of the Lent they giue their children cheese and egges to eate they themselues eate the same without any scruple at all vpon the fish day of the great Feastiuitie that is vpon holy Thursday The fourth is because all the yeare long vpon any fourth or sixt day they eate either fish or flesh all eate flesh vpon the fourth day some also vpon the sixt The fift as they fast euery sixt day eating at night so though the day of the Natiuity or Circumsition or any of the great Feasts fall vpon Saturday they will not lose the Fast for it The sixt they eate with dogges and tame beares to which they throw the platters and dishes that they may lick them out of which they themselues afterwards eate meat The seuenth their Monkes eate fat of Hogges growing fast to the flesh which is called Lard vpon any suspicion of sicknes though it be neuer so little both Monks and Laicks eate flesh in the Lent But if it fall out that any Monke be ordained a Bishop then safely without any controulement hee eateth flesh The eight the Latins are not vniforme in their fasting in the Lent time 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fast 9. weekes the Italians 6. others 8. others fewer The eleuenth Article is the Popes * Sentina malorum est supremacie the Romish Church challengeth Supremacie to the Pope from Peter by all Ecclesiasticall Canons as she alleadgeth The Grecians strongly deny all the allegations of the Latin Churches and leaning to the fourth generall Synod at Chalcedon at last they attribute the Superiority to Sea of Constantinople that by two Canons in which it is said if controuersies cannot bee ended by Bishops in Prouinciall or Nationall Synods then * Ibi terminentur Can. 9. let them bee determined by the Bishop of the Princely Citie Constantinople This is repeated againe in the same Synod in another Canon and therefore I will here set downe the words of Hugo Aetherianus who deliuereth the Grecians mind after this manner Romanus Pontifex omnes partium occidentalium Christiani sacerdotes Laici praeter Calabros ante multa tempora extra Catholicam Ecclesiam peruagantur Euangelicarum Apostolicarum traditionum ignari a fide alieni The Roman Bishop and all the Christian Priests of the Westerne parts and Laicks except the Calabrians this long time haue gone astray from the Catholicke Church being ignorant of the Euangelicall and Apostolicke troditions and Aliens from the faith And a little after Etinim sua concimantes alienis adhaerentes neque diuinis Scripturis redarguentibus ipsorum errores neque illis qui ipsos miserunt volunt morem gerere for making vp their owne conceits and adhering to strange opinions they will neither obey the Scripture rebuking their errour nor yet those men who ordained them The Princes of their Priests goe to warre with Laicks in Armes and they fight in the Battell marching before others Ex iudice de missae sacrificio in Bibliotheca Bauarica wee finde these notes gathered by Petrus Stewartius as errours of Grecians and yet imputing them to the Latins but how iustly let the Reader iudge seeing my intent goeth no farther then to translate the words without any glosse or censure of mine Titulo 5. * This is more than truly alleadged against the Church of Rome which forbiddeth reading of Scripture Sacros canones Sacras Literas c. Scarce read they the sacred rules and holy Scriptures they say that the Popes Commandements who for the time sitteth in the Sea of Rome are their Canons and Lawes They hold that the precepts of those who are dead whether Apostles or Fathers are dead with them Tittulo 7. They make not much account of periury yea the Pope freeth them of all periurie whensoeuer they intend to breake any bargaine or couenant made with any man Titulo 30. The Pope and his Priestly traine remit slaughter periurie and all kinde of crimes past or to come by which remission there is a gate opened to all sort of villany And that which is most foolish and ridiculous for the future time they will remit to a prefined determinated time of two three more or fewer months or yeares They sport after the same manner with by-past of fences forgiuing the sinnes of dayes months or yeares And yet they cannot tell by what authority and vpon what grounds or by what Ecclesiasticall Canon they doe this Titulo 45. The Latin Bishops are accessarie to the death of Christian people the Pope especially who pronounceth the killers of Christians such as resist the Papacie blessed and happy The twelueth Article is the Eucharist and Liturgie which the Latins call Masse which I reduce to those heads 1. They vse vnleauened bread for leauened belying Peter and his Successours as if they had this by tradition from them 2. They take not bread of any quantitie they breake not the bread they distribute it not as the Lord deliuered it in his mysticall Supper only the Priest swalloweth vp a morsell of vnleauened bread of the bignesse of a farthing 3. Only he that sacrificeth is partaker of the sacrifice as for the rest whether they be of the Clergie or of the Laity they are made partakers of it by a kisse Neither hath that saying any place with them Calumnie who eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath life eternall seeing they are not pertakers of the body and blood of Christ they communicate neuer but in the a Preparation to the Passeouer parascene and the houre of death and then they receiue no b Vnleauened bread Azymes consecrated but only a bitte of another bread common and not blessed and they render a reason of it so because they know not who is worteh of it which excuse doth bewray another fault worthy of blame to wit that they vse no Confessors for if they had vse of those they would not be ignorant of this point 4. Whosoeuer are partakers of the sanctification that is of the Eucharist washing their mouthes Calumnie they put out the water out of their mouthes vpon the earth and trample it vnder their feete If therfore these misteries bee Christs why are they so dishonoured and