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A06390 A dialogue between custom and veritie concerning the vse and abuse of dauncing and minstrelsie Lovell, Thomas. 1581 (1581) STC 16860; ESTC S109641 21,954 68

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for all that come to play And minstrels for the dauncing dames and youths that goe so gay Yf they some larned men would haue to teach their ghestes what gaine They haue by Christ his birth and death and take them selues some paine To heare the same Christyde aright then should these men obserue And while they féed the body not suffer the soule to sterue But ah alas this séems to men agréeuous charge to be Then to procure by whome we may the light from darkenes sée To further their saluation what so men doo bestowe They count a charge but nothing déer for that which bringeth wo. Like vnto Esops cock God graunt we may not fooles remain Before the péerlesse pearle of price Stil to prefer the grain Custome Sōe think when weddinges feast is kept where many men doo méet That youthful yéers in plesant daunce may nimbly mooue their feet Veritie That feast is signe that man hath chosen 1. Cor. 7.2 a wife so to liue chaste To vnchaste and adulterous life vain dauncers other haste For this estate of mariage men should praise and thank the Lord Those fleshly wicked woorkers of them ought clene to be abhord When man and wife doo firmly ioyne and faithful promise make Oh let not vs like faithlesse whoores our husband Christe forsake Custome If daunce with sinne be so replete and vertues shine doo dim Mens wits of late are very quick and they in knowledge swim For dauncing hath béen long in vse mong men of learned skil They found no fault but thought it wel why then count you it il Veritie Gods gifts they are not tide to time nor any age of men He powers them foorth when he thinks good bothe how to whom and when Iob. 32.7 Long custome ought to be no rule Ma. 5.21 Ier. 6 1● therby our liues to frame Except it be the way of trueth then may we vse the same By multitude your argument if you doo minde to prooue Bothe God and godlynes alwaies the smaller sort doo looue Noe and his familie were few saued in pinetrée Ark When all the world beside for sinne were drownd with waters dark When iust Lot and his daughters two were sau'd from firye slame The Sodomits and many were consumed with the same Elyas séemd alone to be sinne then did so abound And to be short in number few the Godly haue béen found The way that leads to life is straight and few therin doo trace Brode is the way that leads to hell there many run their race ●●c 1.4 ●ech 20. Our Fathers steps and multitude to follow we denay ●xod 23.2 ●su 24.25 Where they from law of God haue erd Els follow them we may Though sōe which séem Clerks of great skill and others to excell with daūcing holde against Gods woord they may not beare the bell Though other all one far surpasse yet being but a man If from right way he tread a wry we may not follow than Respect of persons set aparte and iudge with vpright minde Whose proof on woord of God is ground and therto doo incline The Scribe and the proude Pharise was thought a learned wight And Christe vnlearned yet in déed Christe had the trueth and light Philosophers were counted wise and Paule a foole was thought Yet Paule said trueth and taught them Christe which hath vs déerly bought Let not the lofty countenaunce of men whom many praise Nor noble birth nor worldly welth dasle thine eyes alwaies Let woord of God the tuchstone be and not the face of men To trye who hath in this discourse the trueth set down with pen. If that the noble Berreans Acts. 17.11 or such like now did liue They rightly would discusse this cause and best to trueth would giue If by right rule of Gods good woord this cause might squared be Such trifling daunces clene abhord then shortly should we sée Custome Though this thy parte thou hast wel proou'd that it dooth firmly stand From dauncing yet I wil not yéeld nor giue thée vpper hand Though all my proof thou hast disproou'd and I no proof can bring This shift I haue say what thou wilt I wil beléeue nothing Veritie Sith thou art froward and selfwild gainst trueth and reason bent To talk with them whom reason ruleth a while is mine intent God hath with reason you indued let reason yéeld to right With equall ballance weigh this cause and in the trueth delight Of sundrie sorts of daunce we read and eke wherof it sprung But we wil talk of that which dooth to this discourse belong plato lib. 3. de legibus There is a daunce calld Choria which ioy dooth testify An other called Pyrricha which warlike feats dooth try For men in armour gestures made and leapt that so they might When néed required be more prompt for publique weal to fight An other instituted was for onely pleasures sake Which fleshly foolish is and vaine Solinu this daunce should no man make Some from Sibilles priestes affirm this dauncing first did spring Some from the Préests of Mars some from Hiero Sicil king Some say from Ethniks olde it came Polid. Viirgil de inuen ●●tam lib. 2. cap Rodolph Gualtet● in Mar. 51. ca. 6. Chrisost mat hor but Chrisostom dooth tel How that this daunce did first procéed from Sathan Prince of hel Theffects cannot be good that from such causes doo procéed Therfore I wish all godly men of this to take great héed All kinde of daunce is not misliked but men should vse it wel By gift of God in ioynts of man Agillitie dooth dwel In comely manner if he mooue apt measures if they trace With mean in time without offence it is a séemly grace As songes so daunces may be vsed to praise Gdds holy name So Dauid daunst and many mo and we may doo the same Psal 148 For as almightie God hath made all things his praise to tell So chéefly man who o'er the rest on earth as king dooth dwell For mortall man with reasons might high things to comprehend God hath indued that his good Lord to knowe he should attend What he in inward hart dooth knowe and constantly beléeue Other to tel a tung he hath but God the praise to giue As tung and voyce so members all Gods woorthy praise to sound In sundrie sort created were ●sal 15● as is in Scripture found The Princely Prophet dooth prouoke with sound of Trumpet shrill With pleasant lute and warbling harp and pipe that plaieth not il With Cimbals loud dauncing swift By all meanes that we can Our gracious God to magnify before the face of man But in this daunce this must we note that men should daunce alone And eke the women by them selues thus seperate eche one When Dauid daūced no womē daūced with him as scriptures tel No men did daunce with Miriam if thou doost mark it wel When Iephthas daughter did with daūce her Father méet
euil thoughts doo banish out Veritie While Silla they doo séem to shun in Charibd they doo fall While thoughts they flee euil déeds they doo to stil to sinne are thrall But hée that sinne by sinne dooth séek out of his minde to thrust Walkes not the way he ought to tread if that in God he trust If foolish fancies thou shalt finde thy soule sore to assault Psal 11● ● ●●t ● ●● Psal 3.8 And if that subtel Sathan shall himself in thée exalt Salue of the sacred Scriptures séek which put such foes to flight Vse godly games and modest mirth and that in seemly sight So shall these hellish sinnes so fearce no holde in thy hart haue And solace eke thou maist thy self if honest mirth thou craue Custome Our youthful race how shall we run wil lusty Lads reply On Saboths Feasts and holy dayes if you lay dauncing by Shall we sit dumpish dum and still All day like stones in stréet Exod. 31.15 With tripping toyes and footing fine we wil eche other méet Veritie Six dayes of seuen the Lord hath left our worldly woorks to plye And on the seuenth from them to cease and onely to him hye On this day if we leaue the Lord and sinne doo exercise What may we plead to claime a place or parte in Paradice The Maister wil his Seruant mark the Father wil his Childe In transitory trade that they of them be not beguilde But how they serue the Lord of Lords his Saboths to obserue And lawes to learn they pas not though their soules for euer sterue If Maister man Parent or Childe the dredful doome doost minde To seek and serue the Lord make haste while heere thou maist him finde Custome A goodly sight it seemes to me and plesant to the eye To sée yung men and maidens daunce eche other tracing by At tune of Tabret pipe or harp or Rebecks mery note They trip on toe and turn it trim and shout with shrilling throte Psal 119. Par. ● v. 5 p. 7. v. 5 p. 20● v. 6. This race while ietting round they run with iumps and comely grace They mery make them selues and all the people in that place Veritie What godly eye can it delight what pleasure in it dwel Which is the line that leads to vice and hedlong vnto hel While men with maides in wanton vnseemly oft doo turn Their harts blinde Cupid oft dooth cause daunce with Venus games to burn Thus flames of looue incensed are the effect is yet behinde Which to obtain by secret meanes they showe eche others minde If that his mate doo séem to like the game that hée would haue He trips her toe and clicks her chéek to showe what he dooth craue Such iests they vsed and iumps vnchaste that make vnmodest meane Such filthy woords that they may seem chaste harts to rauish clene While many fondly view this fact before which liued chaste Return corrupt and vnto sinne with great desire haste So dauncing wherof you doo deme much pleasure to arise Doth purchase payne and many plunge Into great miseries Custome Though such effects for lack of héed and wit to some doo chaunce The sober wise and wary take no harme at all by daunce So preaching and the sacraments of things by chaunce which come Yf you esteme you must reiect for death they are to some Veritie Admit there may a man be found so fenced with vertues force Like phenix rare and swan so black whome dauncing cannot worse For silie soules where is your care which Sathan cannot shun while one doth stand shall number fall and eke with Sathan run Of things that chaunce how oft they chaunce men iudgment ought to take And things wherof euil oft doo come they ought cleane to forsake Some things there are that which to kéep the Lord commaunded straight And vnto mans saluation are counted of great waight Of this sorte are the sacraments and preaching of gods woord For wanton dauncing dooth appéere no precept of the Lord. Concerning things indifferent while they do good them vse But if much sin of them do spring then should we them refuse Custome Though often dauncing some mislike somtime vse it they may At whitsontide for churches welth ells youth will nothing pay Veritie 〈◊〉 119. p 8. 4. 2 74. 75 Sinne may at no time well be vsed we ought abhorre it ay And chéefly at that feast we ought no silthie sporte to play ● 30 For then we celebrate the tyme when holy ghost was sent That we wit good might be inflamde and vices might be brent When we the flesh should mortify Ephes 5.6 Col. 3.6 shall we put sinne in vre For this abuse the wrath of God to féel we may be sure And though the Lord wil haue an house where people may frequent By euil that it maintaind should be is far from his intent But what to God we consecrate must godly be alway Men ought prouide by honest meanes that Church doo not decay And they which wil no peny pay if dauncing be denayd To daunce and not for Temples sake to giue they may be said I think if dauncing quite were doon that many seruants might If so they weuld giue more to Church yet be in better plight At that feast men may mery be in sober honest wise But ought to flée such heathnish sportes wherof much euill dooth rise Custome Christmas is a mery time good mirth therfore to make yung men and maids togither may their legs in daunces shake Wée se it with some gentlemen a common vse to be At that time to pruide to haue some pleasant minstrelsie Veritie ●uke 2.10 ● The time of Christs natiuitie to christians is a ioy ● Cor. 15.55 ●eb 2.14.15 ● Iohn 3.8 For that he came to saue vs lost our enmies to destroy To loose vs out of sathans bands from syn to make vs fre That syn we should no more obey ●om 6.24 Tit. 211.12 but serue him holily Then filthie dauncing is no mirth for children of the light Suche fleshly lusts frequented are of children of the night In time of sinfull darknes and of antichristian masse Ro. 1● 12.13 4● This vyce as many other moe highly estéemed was ● Thes 5.5 ●●● 8. But night is past the day is come Saluation draweth néer As Children of the light le ts walke so long as we are héere And that our time we haue euil spent 1. Pet. 4.2 Sufficient let it be Like wantons drunkards gluttons and in lusts Idolatrie If men of countenaunce and welth haue play at Cardes and Dice And heathnish dauncing in their house and eke a sea of vice As some men haue they showe them selues contemnors of Gods woord Because they practise that which is forbidden by the Lord. For which contempt the Lord their ioy ●m 8.10 To heuines shall turn Their mirth to mourning chear yf him To serue they wil not learn But where as they haue cardes and dyes