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A02912 An advertisement or admonition, unto the congregations, vvhich men call the new fryelers in the lowe Countries, wrirten [sic] in Dutche. And publiched in Englis. VVherein is handled 4. principall pointes of religion. 1. That Christ tooke his flesh of Marie, haveing a true earthly, naturall bodie, 2. That a Sabbath or day of rest, is to be kept holy everie first day of the weeke. 3. That ther is no succession, nor privilege to persons in the holie thinges. 4. That magistracie, being an holy ordinance of God, debarreth not anie from being of the Church of Christ. After these followes certen demandes concerning Gods decree of salvation and condemnation. Helwys, Thomas, 1550?-1616? 1611 (1611) STC 13053; ESTC S116912 57,734 190

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their false faith are perished and thus are their estates herein most miserable VVhat were sufficient to speake against this wicked blasphemous opinion of theirs which say Christ sufferings and death were but in shewe these are they that in the highest degree deny Christ to be come in the Fle●h or if they did confes●e and beleeve that Christ were come in the Flesh then must they of force confesse that he died for all Flesh must needs dye and be changed as is shewed Isa 10.6 and 1. Pet 1.24 All Flesh is grasse and all the glory thereof is as the Flower of the Feild And all the glory of man is as the Flower of grasse which withereth and Falleth away All the disciples of Ch●ist never made question of his death for they saw and were sore he was dead and therefore they began to doubt of his resurrection through infidelitie which there had bene no cullor for them to doubt of if they had bene of these mens opinion that he died but in shewe In that all that is spoken of the resurrection from the dead is spoken of Christ it shall not be amisse yet further to consider what the holy ghost by the Appostle sheweth in this 1. Cor. 15. Chap. concerning the resurrection from the dead for by his resurrection his death shall appeare This is that then which Thapostl hath sett downe heare concerninge Christs death and resurrectiō and concerning his naturall and earthly bodie and his spi●ituall and heavenly body Thappostle doth shewe first of all in the 3. Vers That Christ died and Vers 20. Now is Christ risen from the dead and Vers 35. there is a question how the dead are raised up to which question the Appostle annsweres speaking of all dead bodies in generall and of Christs dead bodie in particuler whome he hath shewed in the 20. Vers to be the first friuts of them that sleepe That which thou sowest saith Thappostle is not qu●●ned except it dye teaching hereby as he had shewed before that Christs body did dye and all bodies must dye first or els they cannot be quickned that is raised againe from the dead vers 36. Then it being most evidently in this scripture proved That Christ was raised from the dead it is as evidently heere proved that he must needs and did first dye for saith Thappostl● it could not be quickned except it first dye And Thapostl haveing thus annswered to that part of the question in sheweing how the dead are raised then he proceeds to the second question whch is with what bodies come they furth to which questione hee answereth Vers 37.38 Thou sowest not that body that shal be but God giveth it a body at his pleasure to every seed his owne body Heere Thapostle sheweth that Chr. body all bodyes th●t are of Chr. for of those onely doth he speake as appeareth vers 23. are not raised in the resurrection with those bare bodies that are sowen but God giveth a bodie at his pleasure even to every seed his owne body that is to the seed of man all one body to them which are raised in Christ for there is but one Flesh of men The Apostle haveing Heere First shewed that the same bare body that is sowne shall not so be raised up againe then he sheweth what manner of body it shal be in the resurrection and wherein it shall differ from that wch was sowen and died In the 40. vers saith Thappostle there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies and in the 49. vers wee shall ●eare the ●mage of the heavenly Heere is set 〈◊〉 with what manner of bodies the dead are rased and 〈◊〉 being the 〈◊〉 fruits of the dead with such a body was he raysed then followeth how the heavenly body and the earthly body do differ in glo● the earthly body is corrupt dish●norable we●ke naturall and mortall The heavenly body i● incorrupt glorious stronge spirituall immortall The image of the earthly body wee have from the First Adam wch was made saith Thappostle a l●v●ing soule that is naturall and earthly The ymage of the heavenly body all that are of Christ shall have from the last Adam a quic●ing spirit that is spirituall heavenly wch is the ymage of Christs glorious as body after his resurrection Thus wee see the whole d●st and intent of Thappostl in all this scripture is to prove the resurrection from the dead and how the dead rise and with what manner of bodies and all this by Christs death and resurrection because as he died and risse againe in the fair● order vers 23. with the same bodies vers ●9 shall all that are of Christ use againe proveing hereby also that Christ ●d a naturall earthly and mortall body sowen in co●●uption in dishonor and in weakeraised in incorruption in glory in power a spirituall body Heavenly immortall what can be more plainely set downe if men that have eies would see and would not wincke with their eies why will men pervert the scriptures to their owne distruction takeing Heere a peece of a sentence and there a peece and never lookeing to the scope and sence And thus much according to our smale talent to shewe the error of them that are fallen to so deepe distruction as to say God was turned into flesh and so his death and all his sufferings were but in shewe and to say them if by the grace of God it may be that are not fallen so far And now to speake to them that knowe not from whence Christ had his flesh they see it proved that from heaven he could not have it for then there could not possibly have bene infirmitie in it They see further or through the grace of God might se that Christ had a naturall earthly mortall body and that there is but one Flesh of men will they still remaine ignorant and doubting whence Christ had his flesh● then do they still remaine in sinne Let them therefore leave their doubting wch is through their ignorance if they looke for salvation by Christ and let them knowe and beleeve from the scriptures of God That Christ is of the seed of David and of the Isralites according to the Flesh Rom. 2.3 And 9.5 The Sonne of Mary the virgine made of hi● substance Gal. 4.4 And so doth this agree with the First pr●mis●e made concerning Christ Gen. 3.15 VVhere ● is spoken by God That the seed of the woman shall breake the serpents head without wch knowledg and Faith no man shall ever be saved ffor there is no salvation but by Christ the promissed seed of the woman Those the●fore am●●● you that will not knowe and beleeve that Christ is the seed of the woman conceyued in hi● wombe by the power of the most high overshadowing hir shall never be saved by Christ the promissed seed of the woman This then is your great sinne that you suffer manie amongst you that mainteyne a false faith concerning where Christ had his Flesh and you approve
not have Magistrats administer with the sword for Sathan deceaves you thereby and makes you more pitifull then god therein you sinne most greviou●ly when you reioyce in your selves and thinke you do exceeding well But the thinge that mi●leads you all is this because you can see no sworde but the sword of the spirit and no armor but spirituall armor in the kingdome of Christ and therefore the disciples of that kingdome say you must have no other weapons nor put on no other armor and then can there be no putting to death nor anie warr neither ought to be but all spirituall Suffer our folishnes if wee seeme as fooles to speake thus vnto you Even so in the kingdome of Christ there is no treasure but spirituall treasure no baggs but spirituall baggs Luk. 12.33 No buildings but spirituall buildings No apparell but spirituall apparell 1. Pet. ● 3 No meate but spirituall meate Rom. 14.17 If then you will cast away all weapons and armor but such as the disciples of Christ vse in his Kingdome so must you also cast away all your baggs and treasure and all your buyldings and houses and you must weare no apparell but spirituall apparel eate no meate but spirituall meate If to all this it be answered that in the new Testament the lawfull vse of al these things be allowed wee answere even so is the lawfull vse of Magistracie with the sword to punish evill doers allowed and approved in the new Testament as is proved from Rom. 13. which no man with anie good conscience shall ever be able to gain say To conclude wee in love beseech you to see what an extreame straite you are brought vnto wee meane all these that hold Magistrats may not be of the Church of Christ and retaine their Magistracie that you must say that Magistracie is not an holie ordinance of god and that all that is done by the power and aucthoritie thereof is sinne and therefore Magistrats may not be admitted to be of the Church of Christ except they cast away their Magistracie for if you confesse that it is an holie ordinance of god and that the administration and execution thereof and whatsoever is done by the power and authoritie of the same according to the word of god in the punishing of evil doers and praising rewarding the weldoers be good and holie iust in the sight of God then may Magistrats be of the Church of Christ and retaine their Magistracie for no man may be debarred out of the church of Christ for doeing of that which is holie and iust good But to deale yet more plainely with you that the vttermost depth of your error may be discovered that you and all men may vtterlie detest and abhorr it If you will say that Magistrats are no otherwise the ministers of god but as the devills are which one of our owne countrimen the forenamed Mr. lervase Nevile falling vpon this and others your errors most blasphemously hath affirmed except you will also hold the same which god forbid that anie child of god should do you can never deny Magistrats for being of the Church of Christ for if you confesse that they are the holie and good ministers of god applieing then selves there vnto then how can you deny them as vnfitt to be members of the Church of Christ and that onely because they the holie and good ministers of god retayne that their ministerie office and calling wherevnto they are appointed of God And now may you see that wee had iust cause in the begining of this question to endeavor to shewe that the lord requireth a diligent faithfull willing obedience of Magistrats But the devills obey of force and against their will And God doth never make them ministers of his mercie to anie but wee see heere God hath ordeyned Magistrats his ministers for good both in mercie and justice aswell to reward the weldoers as to punish the evill doers Of all the people vpon earth none have more cause to be thankfull to God for this blessed ordinance of Magistracie then you and this whole countrie and nation in that God hath by his power and aucthoritie given vnto you magistrats who have so defēded deliuered you frō the hād of a cruell distroyer will you not withstanding contemne this his holie ordinance and accounte it as a vile thinges far be it from you to continewe in this your so great evill Thinke not that in the handling of this point wee seeke to bring your persons in question or contempt with the higher powers the lord knowes wee have no such intent wee knowe their worthie patience in bearing with your great weaknesses herein but to bring this error into contempt amonge you that you might forsake it that is it wee see●e and that the simple harted might not be betrayed with it as they are not knoweing how farr that de●pfull opinion leads them and all vnder a shewe of Godlines Much more might be said then wee are able to say and wee would willingly have said something● 〈…〉 this point of others but that it is so difficult to get it sett over into you 〈…〉 say thus much more vnto you 〈…〉 you to tread vnder foote this vnholie disposition that seemes to be so holie and makes you flatters your selves and thinke your selves most holie herein and that is in that you would not have evill doers punished with the sword You please your selves much in your pittifull dispositions herein and thinke you please God when it is most evident that you sinne greviously herein for it is the good will pleasure and comaundement of God that evill doers should be punished by the sword and to that end he hath given power and aucthoritie to Magistrats and you contrarie to the good will and pleasure of God would not have evill doers punished with the sword Is not this your great sinne to be contrarie mynded to God take heed least by this your disposition you could also wish or disire that wicked men dieing in their sinne might not be damned whereby you should wish the vtter dishonor of God for then should the enimies of God triumphe over him and then would they much God to scorne and have him in great derision but God shall laugh at their distruction and mocke when their feare cometh Pro. 1.26 And all the Saincts of God shall reioyce with him Reuel 18.20 And if the Saincts in heaven reioyce and praise God when he punisheth and taketh vengance on the wicked ought not the Saincts vpon earth to reioyce and praise God when they see or heare that the evill doers are punished heere on earth by such power and aucthoritie as god hath appointed And they are the more to praise God seeing the holie ghost doth testifie that it is for their wealth what great sinne of ingratitude and vnthankfulnes is this then in all you that so disaprove of Magistrats and of their punishing of evill doers by the