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A13748 The examinacion of Master William Thorpe preste accused of heresye before Thomas Arundell, Archebishop of Ca[n]terbury, the yere of ower Lord .MCCCC. and seuen. The examinacion of the honorable knight syr Jhon Oldcastell Lorde Cobham, burnt bi the said Archebisshop, in the fyrste yere of Kynge Henry the Fyfth. Thorpe, William, d. 1407?; Tyndale, William, attributed name.; Constantine, George, ca. 1501-1559, attributed name.; Oldcastle, John, Sir, d. 1417. Examinacion of the honorable knight syr Jhon Oldcastell. aut 1530 (1530) STC 24045; ESTC S104932 68,800 141

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pharisies deuided deuided in habite so ye make diuisīon amōge the people And thus thes friers mōkes with soch other be the mēbres of the neste of antichrist And he said Christe saith Wo be to you scribes pharifies ypocrites for ye close vp the kingdome of heuē before mē for sothe ye enter not your self nor ye will nat suffer them that wold to enter in thus ye be the disciples of Antichrist For ye will not suffer gods lawe to go thorowe nor to be taucht preched of good priestes whiche will speke ageinst your sinnes repreue thē but of soch that bē flaterers whiche susteyne you in your synnes cursednes Thā said the archebishop By our lady sir there shall no soche preache that preacheth dissensyon diuision if god will Thā said the lorde of Cobham to the archebishop Christ saith that ther shall be so greate tribulaciō as neuer was syns the begīnīg And this shal be in your dayes by you for ye haue slayne many mē mo shall hereafter but Christ s●ith excepte that those dayes were shortened no flesch sholde be saued but hastly god will short your dayes Forthermore bishops priestes dyacons ben grounded in goddes lawe but not thes other religions as ferre as I can wete Thā a doctour of lawe one master Ihon kempe put to hī thes foure poyntes that folowe The faith the determinaciō of holy chirch touching the blessed sacrament of the altare is this that after the sacramentall wordes ben said of a priest in his masse the materiall breade that was before is torned into Christes body the materiall wyne that was before is torned in to Christes very blode so there remayneth in the sacrament of the altare no materiall breade nor materiall wyne the whiche wer there before the sayng of the sacramētall wordes Sir beleue ye not thys The lorde of Cobhā said This is not my beleue For my beleue is as I saide to you before that the worshipfull sacrament of the altare is very chhristes body in fourme of breade Than said the archebishoppe Sir Ihon ye must say otherwise The lorde of Cobham said Nay yf god will but that it is christes body in fourme of breade as all the comon beleue is The doctour said The seconde is this that holy chirche hath determined that euery christē man lyuyng bodely vpon erth oweth to be shriuē to a prieste ordened by the chirche if he maye come to him Sir what say ye to this The lorde answered and said A seake man and sore wounded hadde nede to haue a sure leche and a trewe knowing his cure and therfore a man sholde principally be shreuen to god and els his confession is noucht And a mā sholde rather go be counsellid with a good prieste that knowith goddis lawe and liueth thereafter than with his owne prieste if he wer an euyl man or with ony other soche The doctour said The thirde is this Christe ordenyd seynt Peter apostle to be his vicare ī erthe whose see is the chirche of Rome ordenyng and graunting that the same power that be gaue to peter sholde succede to all Peters successours the which we call now the popis of Rome by whose power in the chirche particulerly and specially ben ordenyd prelates as Archebisshopis Bisshopes other degrees to whome christen men owe to obeye after the lawe of the chirche of Rome This is the determinacion of the chirche To this he answered and said Who that foloweth next Peter in liuyng is next hym in succession but your liuyng refuseth poore peters liuyng ād many other popes that wer martirs in Rome that folowed peter in maner of liuyng whos condicions ye haue clene forsakyn all the worlde may knowe it well The doctour said The fourth pointe is this Holy chirche hathe determined that it is medefull to a christen man to go on pilgrimages to holy places and there specially to worship holy reliques of seyntes apostles martirs confessours and all seyntes approuyd by the chirche of Rome To this he said Yt wer ynough to bury saintes fayre in the erthe but now sayntes that be deade ben compellid to begge for couetousnes the which in their lyfe hated couetousnes and begging but I say to you all and knowe it for a treuthe that with your shrynes and ydoles your feyned absolucions and indulgencis and your tēporaltes ye drawe to you all the richesse of this worlde Why sir said one of the clerkis will ye not worship ymagis What worship saide the lorde Thā said frier Palmer Sir ye will worship the crosse of Christe that he died on Where is it said the lorde The frier said I put case sir that it wer here before you The lorde said This is a redy man to put to me a question of a thing that they wote neuer where it is And yet I aske you what worship A clerke said Soche worship as Paul spekith of that is this God forbid me to ioye but in the crosse of our lorde Iesu Christe Than said the lorde and spred his armes abrode This is a very crosse Than said the bisshop of London Sir ye wote well that he died on a materiall crosse Than said the lorde Our saluacion cam in onely by hym that died on the crosse and by the materiall crosse And well I wote that this was the crosse that Paul ioyed on that is in the passion of our lord Iesu Christe The Archebisshop said Sir Iohn̄ ye muste submit you to the ordinaunce of the chirche The lorde said I wote not wherto Than the Archebisshop redde a bill of his iugement and conuicted hym for an heretike After the reding of the bill the lorde said Though ye iudge my body I hope to god that he will saue my soule and he said that he wold stande to the death by these thinges before said With the helpe of Iesu And than he said to all the people Sirs for goddis loue be well ware of thes men for they will begile you els and lede you blyndelinges in to hell and themself also For Christe saith if one blynde man lede a nother bothe fall in to the ditche And after this thus he praied for his enemies and said Lorde god I beseche the forgyue my persewe●s if it be thy will And than he was ledde a geyne to the towre of London and thus was the ende WHile the lorde of Cobham was in the towre he sent out priuely to his frendis and they at his desyre enfourmyd and writ this bill that folowith next commending it to the people that they sholde cease the sclaūders leasynges that his enemies made on hym FOr as mekill as sir Iohn̄ Old castell knyght and lorde of Cobham is vntreuly conuicted and prysoned and falsly reported and sclaundered among the people by his aduersaries that he sholde other wyse feale speke of the sacramentis of holy chirche ād specially of the blessed sacrament of the altare than was written in his beleue which was indented takyn to the clergie ād set vp in diuerse opyn placis in the cite of London Knowen be it to all the worlde that he neuer varied in ony poynte there fro but this is playnly his beleue that all the sacramentes of holy chirche ben profitable and medefull to all thē that shall be sauyd takyng them after the entent that god and holy chirche hath ordenyd Ferther more he beleuith that the blessed sacrament of the altare is verely and treuly Christes body in fourme of breade Trewth long hyd now ys dysclosed Praysed be god Amen