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A44985 An answer to some queries propos'd by W.C., or, A refutation of Helmont's pernicious error (that every man is often born, and hath twelve ages of tryal allow'd him in the world by God) warmly contended for, in and about Lambourn in Wiltshire : in a letter to a friend. Hall, John, 1627-1656. 1694 (1694) Wing H343; ESTC R34926 10,528 24

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and bears an equal weight in the Verse with that of Zacharias our Inquirer doth not Argue from that as he doth from the other because he could not but see that this Instance of Abel would ruine his Proof of a Revolution for Two Reasons 1. Because the vast Multitude of the Jews upon whom the Blood of Abel as well as Zacharias and others was charg'd could not live in Abel's time when all Mankind made up but Four Persons 2. Because his Master Van Helmont allots to every Man only 1000 Years in the World to undergo his 12 Revolutions in whereas this Punishment threatned the Jews befel them 4000 Years after Abel's Murther What a stand then are we at By the Helmontian Doctrine unless the Murderer of Abel be Born again to have the same Measure meted to him the Justice and Truth of God cannot be salv'd and yet you see 't is beyond the Power of this Expedient called a Revolution to bring him down low enough to suffer with the Jews for it So that hereby instead of defending the Dispensations of Providence which they pretend to aim at they expose it by making it liable to all those Absurdities and Contradictions this Doctrine doth run them into Qu. 5 What may be the meaning of the Prophet Ezekiel 16. 55. When thy Sister Sodom and her Daughters shall return to their former estate and Samaria and her Daughters shall return to their former estate then thou and thy Daughters shall return to your former estate that is Jerusalem and her Daughters Seeing it plainly appears that they were Dead and gone how is this possible to come to pass that they should return to their former Estate without being born a new into this World Answ The Prophet here useth an exalted manner of Denying Sodom and Samaria were ●●…tage he will bring to his Cause for who can read such Expressions Generation goeth and Generation cometh Age goeth and Age cometh Year goeth and Year cometh and thereby apprehend that the very same Generation Age or Year goeth and cometh If Solomon had meant any such Sense as there would have been a necessity of his expressing himself in a different form of Speech from what he hath done so who can doubt but that he was able enough to do it Qu. 7 What may be the meaning of these words in 1. Peter Chap. 3. ver 18 19 20. For Christ also hath once suffered for Sin the Just for the Unjust that he might bring us to God being put to Death in the Flesh but quickned by the Spirit by which also he went and Preached to the Spirits in Prison in Greek to the same Spirits which were sometimes disobedient when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the Ark was a preparing wherein few that is Eight Souls were sav'd by Water Were not these the same Souls that were living in Bodys of Flesh again at the time of Christ and his Apostles on Earth that so they might have his Death and Resurrection preached to them Else what benefit could these men have had of the Death of Christ had they not liv'd and had the Grace and Favour of our Lord Jesus Christ tenderd to them according to what is written he tasted Death for every Man Answ The force of the Inquirer's Argument is this That the Disobedient Persons in the times of Noah must afterwards be born again or else Christ could not by his Spirit Preach to them as he is here affirmed to do But I see no necessity at all of forcing such a Conclusion from these words a Signification may be allow'd them that is more natural which is that Christ by his Spirit in Noah who was styl'd a Preacher of Righteousness did once Preach to that Generation of Rebellious Sinners who liv'd before the Floud whose Spirits at the time the Apostle speaks of them were in Prison i. e. in Hell for their former Disobedience The Inquirer's Interpretation will not stand for these Reasons 1. Because he takes the Prison here mention'd for Humane Bodies which tho' it be agreeable to the Platonick Philosophy to call the Body the Prison of the Soul and to say that it is thrust into ●…ther it can find any Countenance from Reason OUR Inquirer discovers to us his Notion of this Revolution from some Instances which he lays down of a rich Man that bears himself to the Poor in an Unmerciful way He informs us that if this Text of Scripture be true The same measure c. that then 't is necessary that this rich Man should be born again and become Poor and know hunger and want as he made the poor man to know that he which killeth with the Sword shall be killed with the Sword c. But tho' in these and the like Cases punishments in the same kind will hold yet we shall find upon a little Consideration that it must fail in a Thousand instances for Pray how is it possible for Nero who destroy'd the Christians by more than a Hundred kind of Deaths to suffer Death in so many kinds himself tho' we should with Helmont grant him Twelve Revolutions These Revolutioners say that the design of their Hypothesis is to clear the Justice of God in such matters Let us suppose this bloudy Tyrant to have taken away the life of Ten Thousand Men only it cannot consist with God's Justice to let either of these Murthers to go unpunish'd and if Nero should live Twelve times and be killed as often the measure would be abundantly too short the Bloud of 9988 would still remain calling for Vengeance and if we should allow Nero as many Births and violent Deaths 't would not only contradict the Helmontian Doctrin but lay a necessity on God to prolong the World 200000 years allowing but 20 years to a Revolution before Nero can have all these measures of Murther meted to him that he hath meted to others but I 'le change the Instance What is to be done to a Man that makes himself Drunk or Murthers himself must he not be born again and exercise the same upon himself again If a Man commits a Rape he must according to this Doctrine be born a Woman and suffer the like Did Wat Tiler and Jack Straw raise Rebellion against their Prince Wo be to ' em for they must be born again and be Princes to have Rebellion committed against them He that abuses a Beast by Sodomy must be born a Beast or else he cannot have the same kind of measure meted to him II. God would be the Author of Sin Whatsoever God hath order'd to come to pass must make a large Breach in this Helmontian Hypothesis VI. If Men that live now have liv'd divers lives before Either they do remember what was done in their former lives or they do not If they do not remember to what purpose is it for Men to be born again to suffer for Faults which they cannot recollect or have the least