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A34470 A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1656 (1656) Wing C6094; ESTC R215454 85,329 113

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which I know and which you say is a mysterie Secondly consider the death you are to be raised from and that is the death that all men died in the state of the first Adam and do still die by reason of sin from which death all shall be raised to life in Christ the second Adam Now the wages of sin is death and that death which sin doth bring on man is the same death that Christ doth raise him from For you who were dead in sins and trespasses hath he quickned and if ye be risen with Christ seek the things which are above where Christ siteth at the right hand of God which is spoken in the Presentence and not in the Future and cannot be meant of the rising of our corporal bodies after laid in the grave which I question whether those that talk so much of that do yet know this spiritual Resurrection which I hereby declare to you all and if any one can tell us of another Resurrection of the same body of flesh blood and bones again as it was let him declare that as I have declared this for I denie nothing which by any other can be proved but the Scripture saith That flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption therefore blessed and happy are all they which have their part in this first Resurrection for of such the second death hath no power but they live and raign with Christ Thirdly As there is a bodie to be raised so there is also a bodie to be destroyed and that is the bodie of sin and death which is to die and no more to live For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousnesse that is of Christ And in Rom 6. there is a Resurrection from sin to newnesse of life spoken of by the Apostle that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so should we walk before him in newnesse of life for if we have been planted together in the likenesse of his death we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the bodie of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin Rosewell 2 Tim. 2. 18. But there were false Prophets among them as there are false Teachers among you which say the Resurrection is past already and so bring in damnable errors to overthrow the saith and we see there were some in the Apostles daies which did deny a corporal Resurrection Coppin Do you instance that Scripture as to a corporal Resurrection which speaks nothing of it you do add to that Scripture the word corporal and you know the punishment of him that addeth thereto or diminisheth therefrom Again I do not say the Resurrection is past already for it is not yet come to you nor many more therefore your Scripture is to no purpose against me for I say it is to come as well as alreadie come and that it shall continue until the Day of Judgment be ended or till all that shall be are raised and set free in this spiritual Resurrection from death hell or the grave in which they lie imprisoned and buried by reason of sin but the Sadduces who denie the Resurrection hold there is neither Angel nor Spirit and that do not I. Rosewell I shall prove the Resurrection of the body from Job 19. Where Job saith He shall see God with those eyes at the last day 1 Cor. 15. Paul saith If the dead rise not then is our preaching vain and your faith is vain and you are yet in your sins And Job saith Though wormes destroy his bodie yet in this flesh in this bodie shall I see God which doth clearlie prove a corporal Resurrection but I shall give him rope till night Coppin Add not to the Scripture for there is no such bodily Resurrection spoken of as you declare 1 Cor. 15. 12. so on pray see friends Paul doth not speak of a corporal Resurrection but tells them of the Resurrection of the Dead and saith That if Christ be not risen then all our Preaching and Believing is in vain and we are yet in our sins Clearlie intimating that the Resurrection of Christ doth assure them of their being raised from sin to walk with God in newnesse of life For saith he you are sown a natural body but you are raised a spiritual body and a spirituall bodie is not flesh and bones therefore not the same bodie as you say it is and would have it to be Rosewell There shall be eyes hands and feet Coppin That there shall be eyes hands and feet you are yet to prove Rosewell Job saith He shall see God with those eyes and that in this his flesh he shall see God Againe the Scripture saith That they which are alive and them which are dead shall be raised and all of them shall meet the Lord only this corruptible must put on incorruptible and this mortall must put on immortalitie Again the bodies of Believers are the Temples of the Holy Ghost 1 Cor. 6. and the Temples of Jesus Christ therefore the same bodies shall be raised at the last day Coppin You also bring Job to prove a Corporal Resurrection of flesh blood and bones and that this Resurrection and seeing God with those eyes was not to be till after the death of his visible bodie as you say but I say here is a mysterie and a spiritual sense to be understood in these words Job 19. where he saith I know my Redeemer liveth and that at the last day I shall s●e him stand upon the earth and though after my skin worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God whom I shall see for my selfe and mine eyes shall behold and not anothers though my reins be consumed within me But to understand this you must know how he is the Redeemer and when also what is meant by the last day and the earth which he shall stand upon and what eyes shall behold him c. Now his Redeemer was the Lord and did then live in Job though he knew it not that he should see him at the last day is a truth but what this last day was and the manner how he should see him that he knew not till the time came that he saw him in himselfe therefore you shall find that Job was then in darkness and under much affliction uttering words without knowledg for which he was reproved first by the Prophet Elihu secondlie by the Lord thirdlie he confest it first the Prophet reproved him Job 33. Chap. 35. 16. Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vaine he multiplieth words without knowledg Job 38. 1. 2. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsell by words without knowledg gird up now thy loynes like a
Thine hand shall finde out all thine enemies thy right hand shall finde out those that hate thee thou shalt make them as a fiery Oven in the time of thine anger the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath and the fire shall devoure them There is no man so wicked nor so righteous in himself but the Lord will find him out and will make him as an Oven in which he will kindle his fire to burn up the briers and thorns to wit mans sins and iniquities which man is full of and against which the fire of his anger is revealed that he may devoure them but not man for all mans works shall be burnt and he himself shall be saved so as by fire as it is written Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated though they tumbled both in one bellie Jacob is the good even the spirit Esau is the evil even the flesh and everie one hath this Jacob and Esau within them for a time but Esau which is flesh shall be burnt by Jacob which is the spirit the flesh shall be destroyed but the spirit saved and so saith the Lord the house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Esau shall be for stubble and they shall kindle in them and devoure them and there shall be nothing left of the house of Esau for the Lord hath spoken it and anger is not in me saith the Lord against the persons of men but if they set briers and thorns in my way against me I will pass through them and burn them up by this shall the iniquitie of Jacob be purged and this shall be the fruit thereof to take away their sins that the Lord may dwell therein and saith the Prophet I saw the Lord upon his Throne high and lifted up and his Train fill'd the Temple and behold an Angel came with a live coal in his hand which he had from the Altar and he laid it on my mouth and said Loe this hath touched thy lips and thine iniquitie is taken away and thy sin is purged so God is said to sit in his Temple man-like a Refiner of silver to purge away the dross and tyn and to destroy all together for ever But while this fire is a kindling in man so long is man full of the smoak thereof that he is not able to look into his own Temple to behold the glory of the Lord until his indignation be overpast and so it is written the Temple was filled with smoak from the glorie of God and from his power and no man was able to enter into the Temple till the seven Plagues of the seven Angels were fulfilled and then his wrath being over the fire being quenched his sins purged and the Oven man being cleansed of all the fuel and the ashes he shall return into his Tabernacle in peace he shall visit his habitation and shall not sin he shall not be afraid to look into his own heart but shall possesse himself with joy and with peace for all sin and iniquitie shall be done away and then the Lord alone shall be exalted in his owne Temple man and man in the Lord for ever and ever Captaine Harrison Is there any man without sin Paul saith He was compassed with a bodie of sin and death Coppin The bodie of sin and death was to be destroyed and he to be without sin and though Paul was sanctified and justified in the spirituall part or new man yet he was subject to sin so far as he was in the flesh as all men are which is still waring against the spirit till the spirit hath overcome it Gaman Let me speak now c. Coppin Let him speak Robison We cannot stay I have no patience Coppin Then the Lord grant you patience if you have none Captaine Smith You had better take a day to your selfe Mr. Gaman Gaman Well I see you Priests are all carnal and your weapons are not spiritual seeing you cannot deal with this man therefore go you and your Priests together Coppin If the Presbyterians Sect have done then Anabaptists may begin and take your day also for though you are one against another yet I see you will both joyne together against me and this makes good that Scripture there 's Ephraim against Manasseh and Manasseh against Ephraim but both against Judah yet point your day when you will CHAP. XX The malicious and illegal proceedings of some Ministers and Magistrates of Kent against Richard Coppin in the City of Rochester with his Commitment to Prison how and by whom THe Disputes being ended and the Ministers not relieved but having suffer'd in their principles and losing many of their Hearers they to regaine them againe have with themselves and some men called Justices of the Peace Members of their Churches had several private consultations together how they might doe to dismisse me from thence of preaching any more to the people for which through their false information they obtained a Warrant against me from the Committee of Kent but I was then at London and having notice of it did neverthelesse appeare to the Warrant being willing to answer to any thing that should be laid to my charge being also cleare and innocent in my owne spirit of any thing that I had said or done contrarie to any Law of God or man and I being in my lodging at Rochester on the Eve of the Sabbath at night intending to preach on the morrow came an Officer of the Souldierie unto me from Captaine Smith a Captain of the Companie there quartering that I should come before him into whose hands the Warrant was committed and whose Order was by the Warrant that I must not preach on the morrow but to continue his Prisoner till Munday onlie I had liberty in the meane time to go to my lodging but the Sabbath being come on the morrow and the people assembled together at the Cathedral according to their former custome I came amongst them but a Guard of Souldiers being set in the Cathedrall I preached to the people in the Colledge-yard in the Morning and in the Fields in the Afternoone untill we were disturbed by the Souldiers who did but their duty which they were commanded by the authority of the Justices Major General Kelsie and others for that County On the morrow being Munday and twenty fourth of December the said Major General Kelsie John Parker Charles Bowles and Richard Watson as Justices of the Peace for that Countie also Captaine Harrison and severall Ministers as Informers met together in the Crowne-Inne of the City of Rochester where they examined Witnesses and received what informations they thought fit against me in my absence and having before determined amongst themselves what to doe with me they sent for me to come before them where Major General Kelsie told me that he had received information against me upon oath that I was an enemie to the present Power and of several
burne till it hath burnt up all the foundations and buildings of men in their several forms and Religions that are not founded upon Christ the Chief Corner Stone and this will be a Chaos and confusion and an end of the world to men And now what are you and what do you doe when you seek to imprison or banish this truth away from you which you know not and to stop those cleansing floods which the Lord hath opened in drie places for you and to quench those fierie coales which the Lord hath kindled amongst you to refine you you do but add a greater encrease to the truth for all that which is ungodlie selfish and wicked within you that hath opposed the truth shall be imprisoned by it and drowned with it yea it shall be burnt with the fire and melted with the heat until all be consumed and you dissolved into the nothingnesse of all things below God where you are all lost and you again swallowed up into his own Almightinesse where you are found in your true and everlasting Centre that sends you forth and takes you in at his pleasure And this is the begining and end of the world and of all your fighting against the truth to be lost and to be found to be and not to be and therefore look about you you that talk so much of the end of the world when Christ shall come do you know this end and when it shall be I will tell you my experience it is to your end and at your end that Christ doth come and therefore would you prolong his coming for his coming in will be your going out overturn overturn his rising will be your falling and his life will be your death for you are a lie and he is the truth therefore stay Lord Jesus and come not yet say you that know not his coming to be in you stay till the time of the end of the world which you would not have to be yet because your end must come with it but come Lord Jesus come quicklie say I and all those that know his coming to be in them that the world of sin death hell and all Devillishnesse may have an end in all men as in them that there may be no more wrath nor hatred no more fighting nor quarrelling disputing nor contending for the truth nor against the truth but that heaven and earth righteousnesse and truth may meet together and imbrance each other in all men and at all times places and things whatsoever according to the word and will of the Lord that there may be no more any thing at a distance neither truth nor error light nor darknesse day nor night but that in the evening there may be light and so but one day known to the Lord over all the earth one King and his name one But in the mean time you have here following Articles against the truth and answers for the truth The twenty five Articles called Blasphemy brought against Richard Coppin by the Ministers of Kent and for which he was sent to Prison with his Answers to them COppin First I denie all their Articles to be spoken by me as they are here laid down by them they having much abused my words and also my sense by their adding and diminishing yet for satisfaction to many people of the truth of that which may be in them I shall give a brief answer to them according to the plain sense of Scripture and the manifestations of God to men here on earth which so far as I ever knew in my self I alwaies declared and hid nothing of the counsel of God made known to men but for what God will do by man at the end of this life beyond what is revealed I leave also with him till he shall more reveal it Article 1. That all the Scriptures is but an Allegory that is all said he both Law and Gospel and that it is but an Allegory said he it is clear from Gal. 4. 24. Answer The whole Scripture of Law and Gospel the son of the Bond-woman and the Son of the Free-woman are the two Covenants in an Allegorie so saith Paul Gal 4. 24. which things saith he are an Allegory for those are the two Covenants The Allegorie is in this , Abraham had two sons the one by a Bond-maid the other by a Free-woman the Bond-maid is the Law or first Covenant the Free-woman is the Gospel or second Covenant in a mysterie and these also are the two Jerusalems Sina and Sion the one which is below as in bondage the other which is above as in freedome which are also the two mothers of the children after the flesh and the children after the spirit they who live by the works of the Law under the conditions of the first Covenant and so not all their sins to be forgiven them are the sons of the Bond-woman after the flesh and are in bondage with their mother to this day persecu●ing the sons of the Free-woman born after the spirit that lives by free grace and sees their sins pardoned Secondly the carnal mind of man is the son of the Bond-woman after the flesh minding the things of the flesh which is death the spiritual mind is the son of the Free-woman after the spirit minding the things of the spirit which is life for so it is written To be carnally mindad is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace and this son of the Bond-woman is to be cast out as no more to be remembred for he shall not be heir with the son of the free-woman for he understands not the things of the spirit of God but they are foolishnesse unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned but the spiritual man knoweth all things yea the deep things of God and therefore lives in God as in peace and freedome and is no longer in bondage Thus is the Scripture an Allegorie and a great Mysterie for great is the mysterie of godlinesse and saith Christ you erre not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God Article 2. That our Jesus took our defiled nature with sin and was a sinner in that nature Answer That Jesus Christ took on him our sinful nature and in it destroyed the sinfulnesse of it is a truth according to these Scriptures Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood Jesus Christ himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might also destroy him that had the power of death which is the Devil c. and God made Christ to be sin for us laid upon him the iniquities of us all and he did bear them in his own bodie on the Tree which is no blasphemie to say but that he should be a sinner in that nature I never said it neither do affirm as you would have it Article 3. That he was a cursed Goat for the Goats on the left hand
were to see him no more till they saw him in them So also his coming should be to them suddainly in the Spirit as of a rushing mighty wind and so it was Acts 2. 1. Therefore this Ascention of Christ is not to be understood carnallie but spirituallie even as his descending was at first for he that ascended is the same he that first descended and we read not of a bodie of flesh and bones that descended but the Holy Ghost came down upon the Virgin Mary and the power of the most High overshadowed her and this coming onlie his Disciples were to look for on them as Christ told them Acts 1. 4. but wait for the promise of the Father which saith Christ you have heard concerning me and which you shall receive when the Holie Ghost is come upon you and which they also did receive as in Acts 2. and therefore to look for such a fleshlie Christ as you declare you may look long enough before you see him French But he was caught up above overhead and shall so come again in the very same fleshlie bodie Coppin This word overhead there is none written and this word above you know not for Christ may be said to be above and yet in man for the word above signifies heaven or heavenlie things which the Scripture saith is in man For if you be risen with Christ seek the things that are above which is beyond the reach of a carnal capacitie being spiritual things as love joy peace gentlenesse goodness meekness faith c. and so carries that name of things above as the same with God being things of a purer nature then the things that are below as division wrath envie malice and evil speaking which are the fruits of the flesh and are said to be earthlie sensual and devillish and so goes under that term below or inferiour as one with the devil and not to be esteemed of as the fruits of the Spirit which are alwayes in God and so above all as God is above the Devil and Light above Darknesse and this is that heaven above into which Christ is ascended far above all heavens and into which we all shall be carried by him to be for ever with him in the Fathers glory And now pray tell me where is your heaven which you call above that you say Christ is in in a body of flesh French It is the third Heaven above the Stars Coppin How do you prove it when the Scripture saith That the heaven of heavens cannot contain him French I prove it from Paul for he was caught up into the third heaven where he saw Christ as before and knew him and saw things unspeakable and full of glory with him Coppin But Paul was all this while living on the earth and said Christ was no more to be seen in the flesh after he ascended and he being caught up into the third heaven was his being carried up out of himselfe into high Revelations of glorious manifestations of God in him which is Christ in us the hope of glory French But he saw Christ there personally in a body flesh and bones the same which he had before his death at Gods right hand now in glory Coppin If Christ be at Gods right hand in a body of flesh and bones after that manner as you say he is then this is to make God to be a body of flesh and bones also and such a one as your selfe that must be confined to a locall place when the Scripture saith he is unconfined to any time place or person but fills Heaven and earth with his fulness therefore when you speak of God and Christ you should declare what they are and what his right hand is but because you know not I will tell you God and Christ is one and the same in Spirit and glory and Christ being in Heaven at Gods right hand is his being in God far above all Heavens or created things injoying the same fulness of God as one whom God cannot be without he being that eternal wisdome and power by which he doth all things and by whom all things consist therefore if any blasphemy hath been spoke 't is you that hath spoke it and not I. Captain Harrison Sirrah you brazenface Rabshackel what doe you get up here to declare your blasphemy come downe or I 'le pull you downe Coppin I thought you had come in love and not in malice but now I see your end is to catch what you can to accuse me and because you cannot have your end you are angry Captain Harrison We came here on purpose to heare you and now we have heard blasphemy enough from your owne mouth and that you shall know e're long and so the dispute ended but Mr. Coppin desired the people to come againe an houre after for he was to Preach DISPUTE III. Between Walter Rosewell and Richard Coppin in the Cathedral of Rochester on the eleventh of December ROsewell I shall not feare this man though he were never so well armed with gifts to maintaine his damnable errours Coppin I acknowledge my selfe as I am a man to be as the weakest and worst of men nay a poor worme yet strength may be manifest in weaknesse and wisdome in foolishnesse For God hath chosen the poor weak despised and base things of the world to confound the wise and things that are not to confound the things that are And friends and Brethren I came here as a stranger into those parts yet through the desires of many of you here present therefore I am my selfe unacquainted how the actings of men have been according to the present times but I am inform'd that some of the chiefest of the Promoters of these Disputes have been and are enemies to the present Power I shall therefore desire that the Publike Peace according to the present Government may be kept and preserved Rosewell I know you speak something of this to me as well as others though you might have spared it but I confesse you have made a fair speech as a prepara●●e unto your businesse but let that passe I shall begin CHAP. VI That the whole nature of man was sinful how Christ took our sins with our nature and offer'd it up with himself without sin to the Father that he still lives in it in us and how ROsewell In the Name of the Lord Jesus whom you have blasphemed I shall charge you and let none be affended that I do begin where I did begin the last day Coppin Let us not be alwaies on one thing but if you have any thing else to say proceed to that for Mr. French did speak also the same things which you had spoke before but the other day Rosewell You said I had no more the other day but you shall find I have enough now what my Brother French spake the other day I had no knowledg of but I think it was
Christ did offer for his owne sins is a blasphemer Coppin Is that all you can say if it be you were best goe back to Schoole againe where you learn'd this and learne some more Rosewell I have enough and that you shall see if I had but your book here Coppin Why did you not bring it with you seeing you can say nothing without book I said you wanted help and so 't is true CHAP. VII Of Christ the Resurrection from the first Adam to the second proved with the manner how and the time when what body it shall arise and from what death also how it was signified by what and when ROsewell He that from Scripture doth labour to perswade men that there is no Resurrection of the body to be exspected and that no body shall be raised at the last day he is a perverter of Scripture and a venter of damnable errors but you are one ergo Coppin I denie your minor therefore prove it Rosewell I prove it thus 1 Cor. 15. That as Jesus Christ was raised from the dead so all they which have been are and shall be shall be raised up at the last day which you denie Coppin I doe grant the Resurrection of the body and doe not denie it though you say I doe Rosewell You did denie that the words in Job did signifie any Resurrection of the bodie and also that in 1 Cor. 15. which I can prove Coppin Is that Resurrection a mysterie or no mysterie Rosewell Yes a great mysterie and such a one as I do believe you do not know Coppin If you do know pray declare it Rosewell I am not minded to declare it to you at this time Coppin Then I will tell you what it is Friends and Brethren I do own a Resurrection according to the Scriptures and such a Resurrection as you all must partake of before ye can see the Kingdome of God 1 Cor. 15. There is a Resurrection spoken of by the Apostle which is the Resurrection of Christ and of our rising in and with him from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam but there were some then as well as now that did think the Apostle had meant carnallie the rising again of the same bodie of flesh and bones and therefore did ask the question with what bodies they shall arise not knowing what the Dead was nor the life it should be raised to and how God giveth it a bodie as pleaseth him Now to prove this Resurrection Christ saith I am he which was alive and was dead and am alive again and lives for evermore Rosewell Do you hear he saith Christ was alive and dead Coppin There is nothing can be said to die but first it must be alive nor made to live but it must first die Now Christ is he which was alive was dead and is alive again the first that was living and the last that lives In John 11. 21. Martha comes to Christ and saith Lord if thou had'st been here my Brother had not died Christ said Thy Brother shall rise againe I know said Martha he shall rise at the Resurrection on the last day Jesus said unto her I am the Resurrection and the Life he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live and he that lives and believes in me shall never die Believest thou this Now she had Faith to believe that he was Christ the Son of God but could not believe the truth of her Brothers Resurrection in Christ therefore did-Christ blame her saying Had'st thou but believed thou should'st have seen the glory of God John 11. 40. Now if Christ be the Resurrection and the Life then there is nothing in this Resurrection but what is himself for he is the dead raised the raiser of this dead and the life raised too as he saith I am the Resurrection and the Life Now take notice that I do not denie any thing of Christ all this while but do advance him and also our Resurrection in him as the Scripture saith We are raised up together with him to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus and this is the mysterie of the Resurrection which you say is a great mysterie Now saith the Apostle to those carnal enquirers that knew not this mysterie of the Resurrection but asked with what bodies they should arise Thou fool saith the Apostle that which thou sowest is not quickned except it die and thou sowest not that body that shall be but bare grain it may chance of wheat or some other grain so it is not saith be the same body which thou sowest that is raised but God giveth it a body as pleaseth him And why then say you that the same bodie shall be raised again Now Paul to prove this spiritual Resurrection tells us that there is one glorie of the Sun another glorie of the Moon and another of the Stars and one Star differs from another Star in glorie so also is the Resurrection of the dead it is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption 't is sown in dishonor it is raised in glorie it is sown in weaknesse it is raised in power and all in us that I may know him saith Paul and the power of his Resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings being made conformable to his death if by any means I might attain unto the Resurrection of the dead for which I presse forwards saith Paul So that this Resurrection is to be within you and you are to know it while you live in this bodie for it is your rising from faith to faith from glorie to glorie as from one administration of God to another Behold saith Paul I shew you a mysterie we shall not all sleep but we shall be changed that is changed from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam and so he tells us It was sown in Adam it was raised in Christ it was sown a natural body and it is raised a spiritual body even as you see your change for the first man Adam is of the earth earthy a living soul the second is the Lord from heaven a quickening spirit and as is the earthly so are they that are earthly and as is the heavenly so are they that are heavenly wherefore examine your selves and you will now find it so for you are all of you either in the state of the first Adam or in the state of the second Adam and your change is from the first to the second that as you have born the image of the earthly so you shall bear the image of the heavenlie for there is a bodie natural and a bodie spiritual all which are proper to us in this life And thus Paul tells us of the Resurrection in a mysterie Now take notice that I do not denie any Resurrection in all this which by any man may be proved but I do declare to you the mysterie of this spiritual Resurrection
man for I will demand of thee and answer thou me And so he goes on to reprove Job of his ignorance of God and in Chap. 40. 3. Job answers the Lord and saith bebold I am vile what shall I answer thee I will lay my hand upon my mouth once have I spoken but I will not answer yea twice but I will proceed no further and in Chap. 42. 3. he acknowledges his error and ignorance of God and answers the Lord saying who is he that hideth counsell without knowledge therefore have I uttered that I understand not things too wonderfull for me which I knew not but now hear I beseech thee and I will speak I have often heard of thee by the hearing of the care but now mine eyes seeth thee wherefore I abhor my selfe in dust and ashes Thus did Job in his life time see the King the Lord of Hosts his Redeemer standing upon and was a conqueror of that earth the first Adam which he first lived in the Image of till the second Adam appeared as at the last day of the first Adam in him which he before said should come and wa● now come to him For now doe mine eyes see thee Rosewell Pray read a little further and ye shall find that God saith his freinds had not spoken right of him as his servant Job had done and again this cannot be meant of his seeing his Redeemer for now ●is 〈…〉 ynes and reines was not consumed Coppin 'T is true Job never spoke the things that was right of the Lord till he said Now doe mine eyes see thee and this his friends could not say for they had not seen the Lord as his servand Job had therefore though after his skin wormes had destroyed his body yet in his flesh he did see God this skin was the good esteem he had of his own righteousnesse the pride and glory of his own flesh which he was stripped of for boasting in it and so saith Job He hath stripped me of all my glory and taken the Crown from off my head and the body that must be destroyed was the body of sin and corruption which was within him and is in all men for a time while they live in the corrupt state of the old Adam and the wormes are the terrors of the troubled minde which as Troops of Robbers feeds upon the flesh of the earthly man and Job had many in his flesh For my flesh saith he is cloathed with Wormes my skin is broken and become loathsome the arrows of the Almighty sticks fast in me his Archers compasse me round about and he cleaveth my reins in sunder Here was the destruction of Jobs body in his life time all his comforts were taken from him and all those things were fulfilled upon him and appeared in him and yet saith he after all this I shall see my Redeemer and so he did fo● when through the manifestation of God to him his soul within him was revived his knowledge and understanding enlightened and his reins with the girdle of saith strengthened then saith he Now do mine eyes see thee and I am no more my self but a new man in thee for now is my change come therefore cannot be meant of the body after a naturall death as you say it is Robison Of all Religions this is most damnable to say there is no Resurrection of the body Coppin I denie not any thing which any man can prove to be true from Scripture Rosewell I prove a corporall Resurrection of our bodies from the example of Christs Resurrection of his Body Coppin That was a signe to us of our rising with Christ to a newness of life both toward God and man Rosewell I denie the Resurrection of Christs body to be a signe Coppin You say the corporal Resurrection of Christ is no sign and yet you say againe it doth signifie the Resurrection of our bodies but the Scripture saith not so but saith That like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newnesse of life and so will he change our vile bodies here and make them like unto his glorious bodie by subduing all things to himself in us which is the spiritualty and glory of our bodies Captain Smith We grant you that Coppin Then give me leave Christ being born of the Virgin Mary Was it also a signe to us or not Robison Was it but a signe to us and no substance C●ppin I doe not say so but I say it was a signe which I prove Isa. 7. 14. Therefore the Lord himselfe shall give you a signe behold a Virgin shall conceive and bear a Son and shall call his name Emanuel Now what did this signifie but that as the Virgin did bring forth Christ in our nature flesh blood and bones so should Christ bring forth himselfe in every one of us in Spirit and truth Gal. 4. 14. My little Children saith Paul of whom I travell in birth againe untill Christ be formed in you not as a bodie flesh and bones in us for that were to make many Christs as for every man one but he shall be formed in us in Spirit and power Rosewell I doe not believe but Christ is here said to be a signe but what is the thing signified that King Ahaz should overcome his enemies and that the Scepter should not depart from Juda till Shilo come Coppin That is till Christ come Spirituall in us or else what benefit is it to us to look back upon the birth and death of Christ as signes and doe not see the things signified For a wicked and adulterous generati●n seeketh after a signe and never looks on the thing signified which is the birth death and Resurrection of Christ in them which should all be made manifest in our mortall flesh and so saith Paul I doe always beare about in the bodie the dying also of the Lord Jesus that the life of Jesus might be made manifest in our bodie and now doe I rejoyce in my sufferings for you and do fill up the measure of the sufferings of Christ in my flesh for his bodies sake which is the Church whereof I Paul am made a Minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you to fullfill the word of God even the mysterie which hath been hid from all ages and now is made manifest to his Saints to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mysterie which is Christ in you the hope of glory CHAP. VIII The Mystery of the Trinity in relation to man of the state of Reprobation when how long and how ROsewell I desire you may go on How is Christ in you the hope of glory Coppin Tell me what do you mean by Christ and then I will tell you how he is Christ the hope of glorie in man Rosewell I do mean by Christ the Son of God