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A54177	The new witnesses proved old hereticks, or, Information to the ignorant in which the doctrines of John Reeve and Lodowick Muggleton, which they stile, mysteries never before known, revealed, or heard of from the foundation of the world, are proved to be mostly ancient whimsies, blasphemies and heresies, from the evidence of Scripture, reason and several historians : also an account of some discoourse betwixt L.M. and my self, by which his blasphemous, ignorant and unsavory spirit is clearly and truly manifested, in love to the immortal souls of those few, who are concern'd in the belief of his impostures / by a living true witness to that one eternal way of God, revealed in the light of righteousness W.P.	Penn, William, 1644-1718.	1672 (1672)	Wing P1326; ESTC R15258	38,470	64

Phantastick and Imaginary Persons is a Consequence of the former namely the Mortality of the Soul That the Soul and Body go to Dust and rise together at a general Resurrection That it is inconsistent with SCRIPTURE I prove First And the Lord God formed Man of the Dust of the Ground and breathed into his Nostrils the breath of Life and Man became a Living Soul Gen. 2.7 If the Breath of Life made a dead Body live then the Privation of the Breath of Life makes a living Body dead since the life it has was from and is whilst that Breath inspired remains in it and if so then not the Soul but the Body dyes 2. This is further proved thus If it was living Breath before it entred into the Body it must be living Breath after it is withdrawn from the Body since the Body makes no alteration upon it but it upon the Body as from a life-less Heap to a living Body and from a living to a dead Body again 3. Though some of those things which are living may dye because they live by the borrowed or lent Life of another yet very Life as Life cannot dye for since Life and Death are contrary as Light and Darkness because very Light can never in it self be utterly extinguished by Darkness so as to become very Darkness nor Truth Vntruths by Error it is impossible that the Breath of Life or Soul of Man can suffer death as here understood for that were very annihilation it self or being from an intelligent Something made Nothing Secondly And he cryed unto the Lord and said O Lord my God hast thou also brought Evil upon the Widdow with whom I sojourn by slaying her Son And he stretched himself over the Child Three times and cryed and said O Lord my God I pray thee Let this Child's Soul come into him again And the Lord heard the Voice of Elijah and the Soul of the Child came into him again and he revived 1 Kings 17.20 21 22. If the Soul was with-drawn when the Body lay dead as the place proveth then the Soul lay not dead from all Motion Life and Heat in the Body as one inseparable Lump But the Soul was separated and when it did return according to Elijah's Prayer and had resumed its forsaken dead Body it revived the Body again therefore the Soul dyed not with the Body nor at all inasmuch as if it had dyed when separated it could not have revived the dead Body when returned In short This place most expresly proves 1st The Body's death from the Soul's separation 2dly The Soul 's certain departure from the Body 3dly The Soul 's living after separation Thirdly Then shall the Dust return to the Dust as it was and the Spirit to God that gave it Eccl. 12.7 This place very evidently harmonizeth with the former and is a pregnant Instance to the Confutation of that Atheistical Opinion and as pertinent here as where mentioned For as Man is composed of Body and Spirit so they have two Originals the one from below Dust the other from above the Breath of Life They have also two Dooms the Dust to the Dust from whence it came the Soul to God from whence it came to be by him sentenced to the Blessed or Cursed State forever according to the end of that Chapter For God will bring every secret thing to Judgment from whence I argue 1. That only can properly return to Earth that came from it that is Dust But the Soul never came from Dust nor Earth as Reeve and Muggleton affirm p. 45. T.S.T. Therefore it is impossible that the Soul can truly be said to return to the Earth 2. That which returns to God is what more immediately and eminently came from him and that cannot dye But the Soul doth to the end aforesaid Therefore the Soul came from him and dyeth not neither can it with the Body return to Dust Fourthly Be not afraid of them that kill the Body and after that have no more that they can do Luke 12.4 If Reeve and Muggleton speak Truth then he that kills the Body kills the Soul too for he cannot kill the one without the other But Christ Jesus the Author of Truth and Salvation saith The Body may be killed by Man and the Soul remain alive therefore Reeve and Muggleton are Lyars against Christ and his Doctrine The Body's Death is Natural the Soul 's Spiritual Mans Power extendeth but to one and consequently the latter is independent of the former Fifthly For me to live is Christ to dye is Gain but if I live in the Flesh or Body this is the Fruit of my Labour yet what I shall chose I wot not for I am in a streight betwixt two having a desire to depart and be with Christ which is far better Phil. 1.21 23. From whence I plainly argue 1. If to dye was Gain then he was not to enjoy less of that divine Consolation which he had living since to live was Christ But he that has lain Body and Soul One Thousand Six Hundred Years in the Grave and may for ought we know One Thousand Six Hundred more must needs have lost not only a little but all that he enjoyed Living instead of further Gain Therefore I infer Their Principle of the Soul's Mortality is contrary to the Testimony of the Apostle for with him to dye was Gain That this was the Apostle's sence I proceed yet further to make appear from his own words 2. The Reason of his streight was Whether to live to serve Christ or dye to enjoy him But this had been no streight if he was to lose what he had and not to enjoy him after departure in any sense as the Dead don't therefore it was not the Apostle's Judgment though it was Wicked Reeve's and Blasphemous Muggleton's That the Soul is deprived with the Body by Death of all Divine Enjoyments of God or Punishment from him till the Day of Resurrection For the Apostle counted it far better to depart and be with Christ which had been a Vain if an In-obtainable Desire as would follow from their Anti-Scriptural Opinion Sixthly And when he had opened the Fifth Seal I saw under the Altar the Souls of them that were slain for the Word of God and for the Testimony which they had held and they cryed with a loud Voice saying How long O Lord Holy and True dost thou not Judge and Avenge our Blood on them that dwell on the Earth Revel 6.9 10. If their Souls lived after their Bodies were Slain then they did not dye together but the Scripture proves their Souls lived after their Bodies were Slain for they cryed for Vengeance on the Blood-thirsty Inhabitants of the World therefore Souls are not Mortal as Bodies are In short Their Bodies were slain their Souls were alive their Bodies were in the Grave their Souls under the Altar worshipping God Day and Night forever and ever That this is against REASON I further Prove First

God whom to know were Life Eternal but this to whom Jesus prayed whom say Reeve and Muggleton was Elias saith Christ Jesus was that only true God whom to know is Life Eternal 3. This God to whom Christ prayed that he would glorifie him was the same Eternal God with whom he had Glory before the World began but Elias was Two Thousand Years or more after the World was made instead of being before the World began and consequently Elias was not that God and Father unto whom the Lord God made his Supplications Object But Muggleton will tell me That Elias was enthroned with that God-like Power Glory Wisdom and Majesty that rendred him all that which was needful to make able to answer all those Petitions and what ever else was necessary Answ If the Majesty Power Wisdom and Glory of God were left with Elias I would fain know what God had to dye with for 't is his Power Glory and Divine Wisdom that makes him God If Elias had them God left himself destitute of what made him God for how can a man leave his Properties alive behind him that truly man him and yet be said to dye in Reeve and Muggleton ' s sence which is That all those Faculties And Properties dye with a man would one not rather say that such one does not dye because that which makes him a true man lives So that their Conceit is spoiled in the over-turning of this one thing for shew the impossibility of God's dying and yet leaving his Power Wisdom and Glory with Elias and the whole Fabrick filled with their many Chambers of Imagery will fall to the Ground for say they without a God's dying and becoming from Immortal Mortal and from Mortal Immortal again the whole Heaven and Earth would be out of order and no right Knowledge or Salvation can be procured or arrived at Much might be urged from many other Scriptures as that God raised him and that he is set down on the Right-Hand of the Most High but let this suffice Thirdly Nor is there any thing in the whole Scriptures of Truth that so much as incourages any to believe the Mortality of the Immortal God 1. Even from Everlasting to Everlasting thou art God Psal 90.2 He that was from Everlasting and is to Everlasting never ceaseth to be as that which dyes doth but the true God was from Everlasting and is to Everlasting therefore Reeve and Muggleton's Mortal God is not the true God or the true God never ceaseth to be 2. Hast thou not known hast thou not heard that the Everlasting God the Lord the Creator of the Ends of the Earth fainteth not Isa 40.28 He that could never faint could never dye because Death is more then a Degree beyond fainting though fainting be a Temporary with-drawing of Life but the true God and Creator of the Ends of the Earth never could faint therefore the true God could never dye 3. And one of the Malefactors said Lord remember me when thou comest into thy Kingdom And Jesus said Verily verily I say unto thee To day shalt thou be with me in Paradice Luke 23.42 43. If Christ the Author of all Truth spake Truth as most unquestionably he did then both himself and the Malefactor were in Paradice that day and consequently it was untterly impossible that they should both dye from all visible and invisible Life Sence Understanding and Enjoyment But I hope none are so impudent as to say Christ spake not the very simple Truth and so would have deceived the poor man and yet I know not how far Muggleton will go in this matter since he told me that Moses in his Discourse of the Creation set the Cart before the Horse and that if Paul were alive he would reprove him and so censure that holy Spirit by which he wrote Therefore it was not the Eternal Deity that suffered Death but that Body of outward Flesh subjected to all those natural Passions of Heat Cold Hunger Thirst Life and Death as ours are sin only excepted which the Eternal Infinite Creator had provided through which to manifest his everlasting Wisdom Councel and Mercy for the Redemption of Mankind That these three Branches of this sottish Opinion are all of them greatly repugnant to that Understanding God has afforded men to measure and distinguish things by I prove First It was impossible for God to transubstantiate himself from an Immortal Deity to a mortal Man 1. It must suppose God's begetting himself which is absurd and impossible since being begotten supposeth him to have had a Beginning that gave Beginning to all and to beget supposeth him to have been before he was begotten and so before he was 2. Such as is the Begetter such must the Begotten be We see Men get Men Horses Horses Fish Fish and every Seed has its own Body as say Reeve and Muggleton then by good consequence the Immortal God must have begotten himself an Immortal God one that could not dye by the Hand or Cruelty of his own Creature 3. It is as impossible for God to become a Creature or to dissolve his own Infinite Immortal Eternal Nature into a Finite Mortal Created or Generated Nature as for a Mortal Created Nature to be refined preferred and transmuted into an Infinite Immortal Creating Nature In short It is as impossible for God as God to become a dying Man as for a dying man to be changed into an Immortal Eternal God They are reciprocally impossible and Blasphemous Secondly It is absurd and Untrue affirm that Elias was God's Deputy and he to whom Christ prayed when in that Body of FLESH 1. He that is Infinite is every where and circumscribed to no particular place but Scripture Reason and Reeve and Muggleton yet they are seldom of one mind own and declare the Infiniteness of God therefore God is every where and if every where then not excluded Heaven the Habitation of his Throne and consequently Elias was not God's Deputy neither was it any wayes needful that he should be 2. That which in any sence may be said so want is not God who is all in all to himself but who needed a Deputy neither was Omnipresent nor Almighty and therefore not the only True God 3. Either Christ did not stand in need when on Earth or he did if not then he was not sincere in his Supplications if he did then the Omnipotency was with Elias he that supplies Wants is greater then he that is supplyed and consequently he that cryed was not that Everlasting God and Father but Elias 4. Elias was not so considerable as Moses who was the first Grand Commissioner of God's Dispensations to the Sons of men as Reeve and Muggleton affirm why then should Elias be preferred to Moses a Meek Man Israel's Leader and who said of Christ himself That a Prophet like unto me shall the Lord your God raise up unto you him shall you hear in all things then not Reeve and Muggleton in any

his Eternal Spirit yet without a Body Face or Tongue or a Majestical Person like unto Earthly Monarchs he could not possibly have spoken distinct words nor his Glory have been perfect D.L.G. p. 106. Animadversion VIII If that which is requisit to define or render God truly such be singly attributed to the eternal Spirit without the mention of a Body then is the Eternal Spirit the Invisible God as they themselves prove If the Eternal Spirit be nothing else then Crowns of Immortal Glory and that it is the Invisible God whose Power created all things and if all Wisdom Glory and Power proceed ONLY from this Invisible Eternal Spirit as they say then not unto a Body but unto that who ALONE has all Power Wisdom and Glory is the Godhead to be ascribed but that is unto the Invisible Spirit And if the Eternal Spirit be thus qualified how possibly can its Glory be ecclipst for want of a Body Face or Tongue Is the Eternal Spirit Crowns of Immortal Imperfect Glory And how can all Glory alone be given unto the Spirit whose Glory is imperfect without a Body He should have said From the Spirit and Body Alone proceedeth all Glory c. But this Confusion is like the rest Contradiction IX Moreover You may know That those Men called Independents Anabaptists Presbyterians are the Literal Apostolical Jews D.L.G. p. 191. Furthermore Those Anabaptist Independent Presbyterian Men which hold it Lawful to Persecute Men in their Persons and Estates upon a Spiritual account I say from the Eternal Spirit That they are for the most part the Off-spring of those Bloody-minded Jews that Crucified the Lord of Glory upon the account of Blasphemy D.L.G. p. 192. Animadversion IX That Exception should have been made before for if those that are called Independants Presbyterians and Anabaptists are Apostolical Jews and yet such as are for Persecution for Conscience are of their Race that put Christ to Death then they are not of the Apostolical but Mosaical Jews But how can they make that hold together The Apostolical Jew is one not outward in the Letter but in the Heart and in the Spirit if so either they are Independents Presbyterians or Anabaptists or else those three Opinions are come to be of theirs since at the Distance they stand they cannot be under the same Covenant and Circumcision But to be short By their declaring them whilst not their Followers Apostolical Jews we may conclude That Reeve and Muggleton count themselves none of them but Men of another Dispensation and therefore not of the Circumcision in Heart which is not according to the Letter but the Spirit beyond which Dispensation all other Pretensions are Imaginations and vain Exaltations Contradiction X. It is not thy Natural or Allegorical Whimsies that can blind the Elect nor pacifie the Judge of Life and Death within thee D.L.G. p. 168. And now I desire no other Witness to bear Record in the Consciences of Men to this Epistle whether it be Truth or no but the Everlasting Jehovah or Eternal Spiritual Jesus himself D.L.G. p. 208. Again If every man have the Spirit of Christ living in his Conscience as many men vainly imagine What then is become of the Spiritual Body of that Jesus that ascended into the Throne of his Glory in the visible sight of Men and Angels D. L.G p. 68. Animadversion X. If the Judge of Life and Death be in man then Christ unto whom all Judgment is committed is in man to justifie or condemn him therefore Christ or his Spirit or both are in man and consequently it is no Impediment to nor Denial of Christ's Ascension with a Glorified Body Neither is it vain to believe that the Spirit of Christ lives in the Consciences of Men. Observe their Folly The Judge of Life and Death is within thee again It is vain to Imagine that the Spirit of Christ lives in mens Consciences Thus they say and unsay almost in a Breath But above all That the Everlasting Jehovah and Eternal Spiritual Jesus should be in mens Consciences the true Witness and yet not be in Men Who can understand this strange Riddle Contradiction XI But you may say Did God the third day arise from the Dead by his own Power or by the Power of his Deputy Elias To which I answer He by his own Decree and Spiritual Compact with Elias and by that Spirit of Faith in his Innocent Body the which Faith dyed in his pure Body and quickened immediately and brought forth that Natural Innocent Body out of the Grave a pure Spiritual Body T.S.T. p. 32 33. Therefore whosoever saith that any other Body ascended into Glory but that very same Body of Flesh and Bones that suffered Death upon the Cross he is an Antichrist and in utter Spiritual Darkness D.L.G. p. 15. Animadversion XI If the Body dyed a Natural Body and was brought forth a Spiritual Body then unless that Spiritual Body lay'd down it self and resum'd its Natural Body as at the first it could not be the very same Body of Flesh Blood and Bone that Dyed which Ascended but it must have been a Spiritual Body In short If Natural and Spiritual be not all one as say they else-where in these Contradictions then was it no more the same Body then Natural is Spiritual and Mortal Immortal upon their own Principles and consequently Reeve and Muggleton are the Antichrists and in utter Darkness As for the three-fold Answer he gives to the Objection it is wretchedly Blaphemous 1. God's Decree 2. His Compact with Elias 3. His own Spirit of Faith To the first I reply What did the Decree avail when the Power was in another and when he that made it was dead To the second I return That God's rising lay on the side of Elias's Honesty in performing Obligation keeping Covenant and not in any other thing 3. As to that Spirit of Faith they confess it dy'd if so how did the Faith raise him Besides In whom should God have Faith in Himself He was dead In Elias He could not exercise it when in the Grave Again He that believes injoyes not fully and has Confidence in one Greater then Himself but God wants nothing and can have no Object for Faith and therefore no Faith O the Unparalell'd Sottish ●olly and Raveing Conceits of these men Contradiction XII So likewise I positively affirm against all Gainsayers under Heaven That I John Reeve am the Last Commissionated Prophet that ever shall declare Divine Secrets according to the Foundation of Truth until the Lord Jesus Christ appear on his Throne of Glory D.L.G. p. 119. A True Interpretation of all the chief Texts and Mysterious Sayings and Visions opened of the whole Book of the Revelation of St. John wherein is unfolded and plainly declared those Wonderful Deep Mysteries and Visions interpreted concerning the True God the Alpha and Omega with variety of other Heavenly Secrets which hath never been opened nor revealed to any man since the

shall not be your Ruin How long would I have gathered you and ye would not But now God commands all to Repent God is no Respecter of Persons but they that fear him in every Age shall be accepted c. with many more they make him but to Complement with Wicked Men and speak them fair in words meaning nothing less in his Heart having Pre-ordained them to eternal Wrath. Fifthly This Principle would defile his eternally inherent Holiness by making him as well the Father of Sin as of Destruction for men are either Damned for something or for nothing if for nothing that were most Wicked in these Predestinarians account then for something and what is that Sin very well and how came they to this sin they committed it and how came they to do so they would do it why could they have avoided it by no means where 's the Difference then betwixt being Damn'd for not doing what they could not and doing nothing The Predestination was not that all Evil Men that wilfully withstood Mercy should be Damned for they were ordained never to receive it but that such a Number consisting of such and such particular Persons should Vnalterably and Vnavoidably be Damned only to Glorifie God Sixthly But this would stain the Glory of the Almighty in that neither in himself nor from the Redemption and Salvation of the souls of men his Glory is great enough unless it be compleated in the Eternal Destruction of far the greatest part of Mankind Seventhly This destroyes all Good Works for may all say Neither can my Good nor Evil Works make one Hair white or black add or diminish in reference to God's unalterable Decree and therefore will I give my self unto the Liberty of the Flesh and enjoy the Pleasures of this Life whilst I can have them Eighthly It destroyes all Government since who cares how desperate he is or what Injury he does who conceiting to himself his Post is pitcht his State set and that unchangeably but breaking all Laws takes his Revenge on what would bring him to condign Punishment for his Exorbitancies To conclude and come somewhat closer to the Persons concerned What signifies their coming to call them to repent that cannot be saved if they do Or to warn such to repent that cannot be damned What signifies their Commission or their Cursing or Blessing For can they bless him to Life that is ordained before-hand to be damned Or can they curse him to Death who is pre-ordained to Eternal Life If therefore Men are pre-ordained to Salvation or Damnation to what purpose should any fear their Curse or prize their Blessing since neither can alter or change the Condition of any Person and what more contrary to the Mind of the Merciful God who is willing that all should come unto the Knowledge of the Truth and be saved That Antiquity both knew and abhorr'd this Opinion is Manifest Josephus in his 18th Book of Antiquities and 2d Chap. also Epiphanius in his Preface to his first Book of Heresie again Eusebius in his 5th Book chap. 13. and Socrates in his 1st Book and chap. 17. and you will be fully informed of the Abettors of this dangerous and Wicked Opinion namely a Sect of the Pharisees also Florinus Blastus against whom Ireneus Bishop of Lyons in France wrote two Epistles and a Book call'd Ogdous wherein he tells Florinus That when himself was a Child and with Famous Christian Polycarpus who conversed with John that conversed with Christ he remembred him to be busie about the Emperors Court and further tells him that had the Apostle John but lived to have heard that Damnable Doctrine which makes God the Author of Evil he would have said Good God unto what times half Thou reserved me and tells him that in Publishing so Wicked an Opinion he had declared that which all the Hereticks before had never durst to pronunce plainly with much more to this purpose against him the Sect called Manichees from one Manes held and promoted this Opinion of Fatal destiny who Muggleton-like is reported to have called himself Christ and the Comforter and published the Work of one Buddas in his own Name calling It a New Dispensation All which Reader I assure thee Histories do inform Us to have been known in the 2d 3 4 5 and 600. Years after Christ which is above a 1000. Years since In which Time many were the Impudent Spirits that assum'd to themselves as great Authority as Muggleton in Reeve's Absence doth at this time namely Simon Magus who had so far possess'd the Romans with his Sorcery of his pretended Divinity calling himself to the Samaritans the Father to the Jews the Son to the Gentiles the Holy Spirit as the Heathens erected a Statue or Image of him in the time of Claudius at Rome having this Inscription Simoni Deo Sancto to the Holy God Simon Next One Helen a Woman that accompanied him whom he called the Principle Vnderstanding much like Muggleton's Daughter who Reeve said should be the Chiefest of Women Eusebius in his 2d Book and 12 13 and 14 Chap. after this One Menander said to have been a Sorcerer and the Disciple of Simon went up and down deluding Silly Credulous People by affirming to them he was the great Power of God come down from Heaven and that all were to believe in him and be baptised in his manner or they could not be saved but those that did should never dye read Eusebius in his 3d Book Chap. 23. Ireneus Book 1. Chap. 21. Epiphan haeres 22. Again Carpocrates is reported to have like Reeves and Muggelton patch'd his Opinion who was so vain Glorious as to affirm he knew all things out of Simon Menander Nicholas from whence came the Nicolaitans in the Revelations Saturninus Basilides c. and see Epiphan Haeres 27. also Augustin of Heresies Again We find that Eusebius tells us of one Montanus whereof Montanists or Catafrygians are called taught in Phrygia that he was the Holy Ghost as may be seen in the 5th Book of Eusebius 13 14 15 16 17 Chapters Also that one Buddas affirm'd that he was born of a Virgin as true as Muggletons being the Last Witness of God This Buddas writ a Book and in his swelling Pride styl'd it Mysteries much like the Whimsies of Reeve and Muggleton in their Transcendent Spiritual Treatise next he wrote a Book called the Gospel of the Nature of Reeve and Muggleton's Divine Looking Glass His End was to break his Neck 'T is to be fear'd that a worse will be miserable Muggletons even Torment of Spirit as Reeve is said to have left the World in To conclude Noetus the Ring-Leader of that great Mystery never revealed till within these 20. years sayes Reeve and Muggleton namely the Godheads being a Man and so absolutely Flesh and Blood as that when the Body dyed the Godhead ceased and lay under Death's Power three dayes and three Nights He through the height of

Creation of the World to this Day until now By Lodowick Muggleton c. Animadversion XII Who shall we believe of these two they both pretend the same Commission and yet Contradict but how can any Credit be given thereunto when though Reeve sayes he was awake at the receiving of it yet presently after tells us that he knew not whether he was an Immortal God or a Mortal Man what ground is there for any Belief of what Reeve himself was so far from a clear knowledge of as that he was not more unable to resolve whether he was an Immortal God or a Mortal Man then to know the Truth of all his Revelation O the willingness in men to be Blind Certainly if the Devil himself should as a Devil seek Proselytes some would follow him A few Additional Observations upon some Passages of John Reeve and Lodowick Muggleton in the before-cited Books THe Spirit of Faith and Love infinitely in the Glorious Person of God overfloweth as a Fountain continually with Revelation of New Heavenly Wisdom from whence flows New Joyes and Glory to Himself T.S.T. p. 46. Observation That unto which any thing may be added cannot be said to be Perfect and consequently cannot be God but be unto whom Wisdom is renewed wanted that Wisdom before he had it and consequently was not Perfect and therefore not the True God unto whom there is no Encrease of Wisdom Power or Strength but was and is and will be forever the same Unalterable Being Infinite in Wisdom Power and all other Divine Excellencies without any Diminution or Addition The Reason why Men's Bodies in Death or after Death do Rot or Stink in the Grave and come to Dust is because there was Sin in their Bodies whilst they Lived but on the contrary if Men had no Sin in their Natures or Bodies they might Live and Dye and Naturally Rise again by their own Power in their own Time T.S.T. p. 33. Observ O the Exceeding Folly and Blindness of this Sottish Man Why should Sin only cause the Body to Rot Stink and go to Dust Does not the Scripture and Reeve himself in his T.S.T. pag 44. give another Reason namely That what came from Dust is that which must go to Dust besides If the Flesh of Beasts is capable of Dying Rotting and going to Dust who never Sinn'd why should not man have Dyed and gone to Dust though he had never Sinn'd For though there is a vast Difference betwixt Men and Beasts in reference to their Souls and Bodies too so far as may concern the distinction of Kinds yet as to their being lyable to one and the same External Casualities and Sufferings by Hunger Thirst Sickness Death and Corruption no man can rationally contradict But above all this deserves our Observation That since Reeve is Dead Rotten and gone to Dust he was not cleansed from Sin as he is said to have pretended but by Reason of his Wickedness Death holds him in the Grave and consequently he cannot have been God's Last Witness whose Witnesses he hath alwayes cleansed from that against which they were to Witness And it is further evident That Sin is not the cause of Men's Bodies crumbling into Dust from Reeve's own words who saith The Most High God by his Vnsearchable Wisdom hath Decreed that all Light of Life in man shall become Dead Dust or Earth D.L.G. p. 17. So that God's Decree and not Man's Sin in his own sence must be the Reason of such Conversion and Corruption Therefore you may know that the Lord 's Reasoning with the Jews was only by his Prophets which were Rational Men like unto themselves which were sent to Convince those Stony-Hearted Jews by declaring the Glorious God and his Spiritual Truth unto them in the Ballance of their Own Reason D.L.G. p. 117. Observ It is remarkable with what unusual Nonsence and Contradiction he proceeds in his whole Affair since herein he Contradicts one of his main Foundation Principles namely That God hath not in his Glorious Spirit one Motion of Reason inherent nor yet the Elect of God as may be seen D.L.G. p. 18. T.S.T. p. 17. Whereas its manifest unto all men who would not deny themselves the use of their Understandings That none can properly reason of any Subject unto whom Reason cannot be or is not inherent so that if God did both Reason with the Jews and his Prophets were Rational Men then may we safely conclude That Reason is Inherent to God and his Elect Children and that Pure Reason is not inconsistent with or distinct from the Nature of Love and Faith not only because it is most Rational to believe in and love God most uprightly but because John Reeve himself that great Enemy to all sober Reason makes it the Ballance in which the Prophets Declaration of the Glorious God and his Spiritual Truth should be weighed Again I Declare from the Holy Spirit The Lord spake by Voice of words to his Three Commissioners which he hath sent unto the World yea I know God the Father spake unto Moses as a Man speaks unto his Friend and I know that God spake unto the Apostles in the Person of his Son because I know the Lord God spake unto me in the Person of the Holy Ghost only the two former Witnesses saw the Person of God in Part Visibly but I saw the Glory of his Person Invisibly or within me because I am the Messenger of the Holy Invisible Spirit T.S.T. p. 35. Observ Upon all this I make my following Observations as regular as this Irregular Confused Matter will permit me First Then I would fain know how he came to this Mighty Confidence in God's speaking to Moses for it is in no part of his Commission and Muggleton sayes Moses set the Cart before the Horse and they both of them despise the Scripture in comparison of their own Writings Secondly Though God might 〈…〉 the Person of his Son to his Apostles yet I utterly deny upon Reeves Principles that the Lord Jesus could speak unto him in the Person of the Holy Ghost because this would necessarily imply a Trinity of Persons 〈…〉 by him elsewhere absolutely denyed therefore the Lord Jesus could speak to him in no other Person then his own if at all Thirdly If God spake to J. Reeve by Voice of Words because he affirms him to have so spoken to Moses and the Apostles then may we plainly infer that God should as well have shewn his Person unto J.R. as he believes him to have done to Moses and the Apostles since if he did not decline to utter words to the Carnal Ear in this third Commission as is pretended any more then in the two former 〈◊〉 is no Reason in the World why John Reeve's Carnal Eye should not have had equal Priviledg with the former Commissioners in Visibly be holding Gods Person also but since he makes God so differ to in the one we ought the less to believe him in the other