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A courtly controuersie, betweene looue and learning Pleasauntlie passed in disputation, betweene a ladie and a gentleman of Scienna. Wherein is no offence offered to the vertuous nor any ill motion to delight the vicious.
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Munday, Anthony, 1553-1633.
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the deedes dye wiâ—h thâ— death of the Husband And therefore for troth I must giue praise to those whom you haue named but â—ouching their death for that the same was doone desperately there can be no cause of prayse preferred to such persons For that by sacred writ we are 〈◊〉 in what sorrow or 〈◊〉 soeuer we be not to shorten 〈◊〉 dayes by any stroke of death but paciently to take the same vntill by the prouidence of God we finde ease of all such euils And therefore Learning hath left no such lawde of the death of these Dames although their liues be woorthy the writing Therfore Madame you muste vale now and giue place to Learning or els you erre much in your oppinion for that you by their deathes make them to be renowned which rather deserue vtterly to be reprochefully reputed In that they to féede their fonde and amorous affection would by the losse of their 〈◊〉 breathe life into the bodyes of their buryed husbande 〈…〉 wish with my hart all women 〈◊〉 follow the same but touching theyr deathes that I referre to Diuines but surely on my part it is vtterly detested For I can appropriate no 〈◊〉 to such a pernicious 〈◊〉 ne can any man commend the same to be doone of constancie but rather frantick or foolishly And therefore Madame I cannot allow your argument to be good Ladie Why Sir I am sure I haue forged no fable whereby to make theyr prayse a president 〈◊〉 my purpose â—e séeke I to attribute to their dooinges any larger discourse then I can affirme â—y authority And therefore i◠〈◊〉 the contrary haue declared of 〈…〉 â—ene dead And if by their deathes they haue rather merited reproche then renowne who then is in the fault but those y â— haue painted their prayse in place of dysprayse For if their liues were honorable and their deathes odyous theyr liues should haue béene registred their deathes béene put in obliuion But I will not be perswaded although you deeme their desperation to be damnable but that those Dames doo yet liue in delight 〈◊〉 for at that time they rather chused death to winne a 〈◊〉 life thereâ—y then to liue licenciously to die a double death And therefore â—y opinion is these Ladyes although they knew not Christianity 〈◊〉 had and haue theyâ— foules the glory and gaine of 〈◊〉 on and therefore Learning 〈…〉 lâ—ttle to contend with 〈…〉 But now vnto a farther 〈◊〉 you will not allow Looue to be 〈◊〉 ouer Learning and therefore 〈◊〉 approoue it by an example 〈◊〉 shalbe no lesse familiar then faithfull What will you then giue ouer Scholler Madame I will â—iue you the hearing and as I like your reason so shall you heare my reply if it be good I will allow it if otherwise I muste and will confesse the conâ—rarie Ladie Well then Sir to the purpose WHen the King of Hetruria had sent his defâ—aunce to the Senate of Roome and that his Legats expected the aunswer of the Senatorâ— Mutius Scâ—â—uola and Coclius then Consuls béeing in the Senate theâ—â— was a controuersie betwéene 〈◊〉 they were deuided on contraâ—â—◠〈◊〉 parte helde it best to make 〈◊〉 with the Hetrurians and 〈◊〉 some to giue aunswer to the â—â—ntrary but especially Coclius who 〈◊〉 an eloquent Oration openly 〈◊〉 the Senate perswaded the Roâ—â—ines not to take truce but valiantly to prooue themselues as theyr noble Progenitors had doone before them Whose Oration béeing ended as you know Scaeuola replyed that Coclius had little care of his Countrey so to perswade them to warres when by their wisedomes they were able to appease the hatred of the Hetrurian King But whilest they contended about this case a Messenger came running 〈◊〉 into y e Senate house and brought ridings how the enemy was at 〈◊〉 the Feildes were couered with armed men and the Walles of Roome at point to bâ— scaled Which Coâ—â—â—us heaâ—ing now my Lordes quoth he defend Roome by your wisdome and Learning I leaue you and with that woord sodainly departed and hastily 〈◊〉 himselfe came firste to 〈…〉 where by an assault the enemy 〈◊〉 ready to enter But Coclius 〈◊〉 more the sauegarde of his 〈…〉 then surety of himselfe stoode in 〈◊〉 fence and kept the Bridge 〈◊〉 the whole Hoste of Heâ—rurians and when he sawe no remedy he fired the Bridge twixte him and the enemy and taking his halfe Shéelde which then he had left he refused not to leap into Tyber and so to hazarde his life rather then to leaue to his foes the conquest and spoile of his Countrey Héere was Looue more then Learning for if Learning could haue defended Roome I déeme it sufficiently supplied with Schollers But héer was Looue conquerâ—â— and whilste Looue labored by life to frée Roome froÌ„ ruine Learning lay soft at home expectyng when the enemie would come to fight with words But had Looue bothe by Coclius and after by Mucius Scaeuola â— béene no better Soldiers to their Countrey by theyr Looue then such Sâ—hollers by their 〈…〉 walles of Rome should then 〈◊〉 at this day the sloth of theyr 〈◊〉 Senators and prayse the Looue and vertue of Coclius and 〈◊〉 And though the one held 〈◊〉 a wrong opinion against the other when Mutius Scaeuola had heard what a valliant exployt was by Coclius atcheiued What quoth he shall Mutins he mewed vp in the Senate and heare such fame ringe in Rome of Coclius No. And with that woord he departed to the Campe of his enemy where he by his endeuor shewed such a Looue to his Countey as neuer was the like since the death of Curtius Whose example if I séeme to passe with out prayse I should sure ecclipse the honour that by him was doone to Roome and also wrong much the Knight who for his CouÌ„try counted his lyfe to be as nothing These and such other examples are ryfe in memory and therefore I but giue notyce of theyr noble nature But Sir how many were in Roome of your profession that for the publique weale would put himselfe in perill like to any of these that is to say Coclius Curtius or Mutius Scaeuola And how if I named Marcius Regulus Manlius Coriolanus yea or Scipio surnamed Africanus these were all Schollers yea and Senators But how many shewed like Looue to Roome as they did and had so small a guerdon for their good will Manlius after long and manye yeares venturing his life in the quarrell and right of his Countrey When he came vnto Roome was throwne ouer the walles into the riuer Tyber Coriolâ—nus was banished and when he 〈…〉 Voltians against the 〈◊〉 Roome they then fearing theyr destruction sent out his Mother Wife and children with charge not to returne till they with him had gotten truce Which once vnderstood of the Voltians when he returned to his Campe he â—as of them trayterouslie slaine Mâ—râ—us Regulus after many notable things by him aâ—chieued was cruelly stoned or presâ— to death by his owne
when Diophes was Kinge of Egipt whose substaunce treasure and reuenues were vtterly consumen and spent to maintaine a sumptuous woorke which he had then in hande the number of whose workemen was not so fâ—we as one hundred thousand Who labouring long tyme vppon a pyle as the Author affirmeth wasted so much wealthe as that he was not onely destitute but also desperate to comprehend the same And séeing by no meanes possible the same could be finished but onely by the meane of money which then he did want He commeth to his Daughter and commaundeth her earnestly to giue her selfe to sensuall prostitution menacing her not onely to pitch a great price vpon her honor but also to embrace euery one that brought to her commodity Which soone after she fulfilled no lesse with regarde to her owne profit then also to performe her promise to her father For looke how many dealt or had dalliauÌ„ce with her of euery such she demaunded a Stone whereby at last she gathered such a gayne that the price thereof builded the Piramides a certaine hill which beareth on the top one hundreth and fiftie foote This Looue you must néedes confesse was neither good nor godly and therfore Learning in this place had béene better then Looue For then the excessiue expence of the father had neuer sought the sale and the spoyle of his owne séede but héere was Luste and no Learning which forced folly bothe in Father and Daughter Farther more as I remember Lodouicus Vartomanus writeth of a straunge and wonderfull wooing or looue making which in a prouince in India named Tarnassery is commonly vsed and thus it is WHat time as any young man becommeth amorous of any Dame he commeth to her and taking a péece of woollen cloathe which he dippeth in Oyle he clappeth the same to his naked arme and setting fier thereto he protesteth by his Gods to endure no lesse torment for her whom he looueth then that which in her sight she séeeth him to receiue signifying therby that there is no torment or martirdome that may be ministred to a man but that he is able to abyde the same for her sake But what thinke you Madame wrought Looue or Learning first the effect If it were Looue what néede he then to scorche his skinne If it were Learning as it caÌ„ be no other vnlesse Diuine inspiration put it in his head which if it were yet was it Learning although applyed leawdely to a more lasciuious Luste How thinke you Madame haue you examples enowe or wyll you any more Ladie My sence is almoste surprised with these detestable yea or rather diuelish discourses for amongst all these euils although I confesse they haue béene contributores to Cupid there hath not yet beene any without spot and yet the bad is as good as the best to reasoÌ„ with you But leauing them as they are not yéelding any whit to Learning What thinke you now Sir of such Dames whose vertues haue béene vaunted of the wisest praysed of Philosophers and Poets yea and so lamented of the learnedst as that neither Pen nor Poet was able to discourse the Looue and loyaltie which in their liues they ought to their husbandes ne like case to Recorde the reuenge with lyuing with theyr Husbands losse they vsed on themselues FIrste to begin with Porcia the Daughter of Cato and wife vnto Brutus who when shée vnderstoode of the slaughter of her spowse not hauing an instrument for death so ready as she wisht to shew the looue and loyalty she bare to her Brutus deuoured burning coales Cleopatra Quéene of Egipt at such time as the death of her Anthonius was once to her reuealed no myrthe no meate no delight was so much desired of her as death Whom when Octauius Caesar had perceiued and sawe by her passions that she could not preuent the same without perill of her person hee caused her to be strongely garded warâ—ly watched yea and so circumspectly conducted as that he déemed her safe from séeking slaughter of her selfe But how brought she to passe her will she approoued a straunger torment then either sworde or fier and that which moste deare she alwayes reserued for Anthonius she refused not to bestow bountefully on venemous Serpents wherewith her corpes was cleane consumed Thyrdly let vs not forget that loyall Ladye Arthemezia Quéene of Caria and wife of Mansolus who when her Husbands death was blowen into her eares wepte so bitterly with such aboundaunce of teares that well nighe all the moysture in her body conuerted into watry humores yea or rather floods of Salte droppes Whose death when with mourning and sorrowing shee had sufficiently supplyed she caused a moste sumptuous Sepulcher or Shrine to be made and as the bodys wasted and consumed so dranke she vp still the duste of her deare Mansolus neuer leauing til the very bones had satisfyed her as the rest before Thus was her selfe the Sepulcher of her spowse déeming the woormes vnwoorthy for him although they were fed with her selfe Furthermore Liuie reciteth that when it was reported to Iulya how Pompaeus her husband was slaine in the féelde she tooke the same so sorrowfull that in the presence of Pompaeus she passed her life Also the wife of Brucollo an Allemaigne when for treasoÌ„ her husband was by the Emperor Claudius Marcello condemned to be deuoured of Lions she sued vnto the Emperor to participate the torment of her Husband And when she sawe no intercession would serue neither for his suretie of life nor for her selfe who desired to accompany him to death shée brake into such a furie as not regarding the torment she spake the moste vyle and reprochefull woordes she could inuent against the Emperor Claudius Yea and if his Garde had not béene shee had slaine him Which the Noble Emperor séeing and considering of the cause not onely pardoned her Husband and her selfe but also gaue them largely for to liue How thinke you now sir whether dooth Looue or Learning héere get moste prayse Learning in this place preferres Looue or els there had béene no memorie made of the liues of these chaste and constant Ladyes And therefore Learning hath made a Register and vollume of their vertues wishing others to immitate the like as did these honest Matrons whose liues is the onely Lampe or Loadestone for Ladyes How thinke you Sir can you alledge any thing to the contrary Scholler I cannot well condemne them ne will I els commend any partâ—â—â—ler person Ladie Why were they not chaste and constant to theyr husbandes that would not refuse to accompany them to the death Scholler I will not deny but theyr death did argue a great signe of constanâ—ie for that in such extremeties the losse of lyfe is a Touchestone either to trye Looue to be faythfull or els to bee fayned For otherwise there are many that wyll vowe in showe to taste any torment for the health or surety of their husbands but