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A79883 Ministers dues and peoples duty; or A bill of accounts between ministers and people: shewing vvhat people owe unto their ministers; which may also serve to mind ministers, what they are to expect from their people. By Sam. Clark M.A. sometimes fellow of Pembroke-Hall in Cambridg, and now minister of Grendon Under-wood in Buckinghamshire. Clark, Samuel, 1626-1701.; Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1661 (1661) Wing C4494; Thomason E1057_4; ESTC R204352 37,580 60

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10.6 and that in a higher way and with greater punishment then any Magistrate on earth can inflict For all punishment inflicted by the Civil Magistrate is but outward either upon the persons body or estate Psal 49.20 or both but the punishment infligible by the Minister or Ecclesiasticall Magistrate is spirituall and reaches to the soul so that by how much the soul is more valuable then the body or estate by so much is the punishment infligible by the Minister more terrible and dreadfull then any can be inflicted by the Civil Magistrate Although 't is true because men do so much obbrutescere and become like the beasts that perish and are led so much by sense thence it comes to pass that they are more affected with corporall then spirituall punishments and more fear the death of the body then the damnation of the soul and consequently stand more in awe of the Laws of the Land then of the Laws of God Yet in it self the spirituall punishment is incomparably the greater and consequently there is incomparably a a Quod si homines reputarent metuerent sibi plus ab Ecclesiae censuris quàm à gladio virgis Reipubl cùm Ministri habent potestatem vitae necis aeternae ut de omnibus vel ad vitam vel ad mortem sententiam ferant Si è terrâ exigere exturbare sit magnum quanto magis expellere è caelo si è collegio vestro civem movere quanto magis è coetu collegio Sanctorum aliquem excludere posse Cartwr Harm p. 560. stronger obligation lies upon persons to obey the commands of God and his Officers i. e. Ministers than the Laws of the Land and the Civil Magistrate because I say the soul is concerned in the punishment inflicted by the Minister Now it reaches to the soul inasmuch as while persons lye under Ecclesiasticall Censures duly inflicted they are in a state of damnation as far as man can judg of them because their sins are unpardon'd Joh. 28.23 whose soever sins ye retain they are retained and without pardon no blessedness Psal 32.1 The Kingdom of Heaven is shut against them b portam coeli ei occlusam iri cui Ecclesiae ostium valvas obturaverit rem Sacramenti illis substractam iri cui Ecclesia Sacramentum negaverit c. id p. 604. b. for God ratifies and confirms the censure Mat. 16.19 whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven He adds his Dicu le veult whereby it becomes not only an Ordinance of the Church but a Statute-Law of Heaven too so that if a justified person should fall under this censure 't is as impossible for him to die in that condition as for David to die in the act of adultery before repentance so that in it self 't is incomparably greater Only here 's that that something qualifies the matter That punishments inflicted by the Civil Magistrate are sometimes purely at least perfectly vindictive as when they touch the life of the offender for in that case there 's no place left for Repentance and amendment but now the punishment inflicted by the Church is purely and perfectly in its own nature medicinall aiming at the reformation and amendment of the party punished that his soul may be saved in the day of the Lord 1 Cor. 5.5 for his edification not destruction 2 Cor. 10.8 that he may learn not to blaspheme or transgress in any other particular 1 Tim. 1.20 So then Lay all these things together and then tell me whether Ministers have not a compulsive as well as a directive power For can you imagin that a Minister hath no more power over his people than a Physician over his patient who cannot inflict the least shadow of punishment upon them for the greatest non-observation of or contrary practise to his directions or that people are no more bound to obey their Minister than a patient his Physician who yet I doubt not but is bound in conscience to follow his prescriptions No 't is certainly in it self the highest compulsory power imaginable and I see no reason why it may not properly be called Jurisdiction which is nothing else but such a commanding as carries in consequence a revenge against the disobeyer as the greatest Scholer of his time defines it F. Paul Hist of Inquis p. 85. 2d Edit in 8o. which the Apostle Paul almost totidem verbis attributes to Ministers in the place aforementioned 2 Cor. 10.6 Having in readiness to revenge all disobedience As also Why it may not be said That people should obey their Ministers not only for conscience sake but for wrath which yet is commonly denied as subjects must their Magistrates not only for wrath but for conscience sake Rom. 13.5 only the obligation lies stronger towards Ministers than Magistrates because they are more immediate deputies of Christ and deal more immediately for him than Magistrates do Object If it be objected as 't is by some to elevate and extenuate their power That all this power of Ministers is but a Morrice of the Sacrament Sect. 32. p. 300. derivative delegated executive and Ministeriall Answ I grant it and yet 1. However they have at least as much power in their sphears as any subordinate Magistrate whatsoever Judg or Justice of Peace in theirs who act all in the Name of another viz. the Supream Magistrate and nothing in their own 2. 'T is so in relation to God only and not to man They derive not their power from man nor are his servants therein And thus the highest Civil power on earth is derivative viz. from God True we are our peoples servants 2 Cor. 4.5 to do them all the good we can but yet they are not our masters to rule and command us 6. Another duty people owe unto their Ministers is Humble meekness Humble Meekness under reproof which though it belong properly to the former head as a branch thereof yet in regard of the length of that I shall handle it distinctly by it self I say Quiet and meek enduring of reproof Heb. 13.22 I beseech you Brethren suffer the word of Exhortation which phrase the word of Exhortation though it may be taken generally for all manner of instruction whether Information Direction Admonition or the like yet the word suffer seems to aim at something which was grievous and distastfull to them and which they did not care to hear and therefore I take it here more strictly for matter of reproof that people should willingly and patiently hearken to the reproofs of their Ministers take Potions as well as Cordials suffer them to apply corrasives when there is occasion as well as lenitives at other times thus did David Nathan doth not sprinkle him with Court holy-water but tells him plainly of his sinne Thou art the man 2 Sam. 12.7 and threatens him grievously for it ver 10 12. Now David doth not fret and fume at him for it but takes