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A81336 A collection of speeches made by Sir Edward Dering Knight and Baronet, in matter of religion. Some formerly printed, and divers more now added: all of them revised, for the vindication of his name, from weake and wilfull calumnie: and by the same Sir Edward Dering now subjected to publike view and censure, upon the urgent importunity of many, both gentlemen and divines. Dering, Edward, Sir, 1598-1644. 1642 (1642) Wing D1104; Thomason E197_1; ESTC R212668 73,941 173

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thanks The preacher received injuries His suspension to be taken of The retracting and dissolving whereof ought to be as publike as was the inflicting thereof One word more I ask leave to adde and I hope I shall not therein erre from the sence of the Committee though indeed I received it not in command to be joyned to the Report This businesse M. White is spread into a wide and ample notice Two great Primats have appeared in it and that with different perhaps contrariant sences sences as distant as Lambeth and Armagh The Vice-chancellor saith that the Preacher was censured by the most Reverend Lord Primate of Ireland who heard him to be a bold or rash fellow for it Hereupon I attended that learned pious and painefull Primate and did read these words of the Vice-chancellour unto him His answer was that he takes it as an Aspersion upon him He remembers the Sermon and commends it This is an additionall to the Report and with this I leave M. Vice-chancellor and the Bishops Chaplen Fulham to the wisdome and consideration of this grand Committee Section VII MY next walk was in a hazardous way and although it was not so lodged in my memory as that in due season I could make use of it as I intended publikely in the House yet being since gone forth without my appointment into print I do now own it for my sence untill I be better instructed as I was promised long since by a Cathedrall friend of mine but do now despaire to see performed The Theam is that secular jurisdiction ought not to be held by such as are of the Clergy function {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} c. They raigned to themselves saith the Lord and not by me they have beene Princes and I knew it not The words of that short passage were these OUR Lord and Saviour blessed for ever being indeed a King Pilate his Judge seemeth to start and be in feare at that great title Although our Saviour had told him saying a My Kingdome is not of this world Pilate still in feare b sought to release him but more in feare of Caesar the King at that time of this world he adjudged the Lord of life to death yet honourably writeth his Title c This is Jesus the King of the Jewes This title he then was crowned withall when life and death divided his soule and body asunder that in a manner it may be said he never was King indeed untill he was out of this world If he who was our a Lord and Master had not this worlds royalty whence commeth that the Pope is Crowned and his Cardinals in Purple whence have our Bishops their Lordships and as themselves call it b Jura regalia their royalty and rites of Baronage It may prove a disquisition deep and dangerous yet I desire without envy to their pomp or persons to wade so farre as may satisfie a mind that loves truth and desires to be led by it and this with all possible brevity There hath been a happy and blessed reformation of our Church God send a better and a more severe reformation of our Church-men or else our Church is now in danger to be deformed again The state of this inquiry may be this viz. whether the Ministers of Christs Kingdome may receive worldly titles and execute worldly Offices and powers or more generally thus Whether a Clergy-man may semel simul be both a Clergy-man and a Lay-man in power office and authority over other men in both kinds Goe we to the fountain head c There was a strife among them the Apostles which of them should be accounted the greatest which of the twelve soever began this emulation of power Certaine it is that the two sonnes of Zebedee a James and John with their mother first presumed to come and aske the highest places of honour next to the very Throne in the Kingdome of Christ which Kingdome was conceited by them shortly after to be raised in the splendour of this world This is genuinely gathered from this very story generally confessed and clearly confirmed in the History of the Acts where the Apostles do aske our Saviour even after his resurrection saying b Lord wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdome to Israel Therefore to these two brethren and their mother so much mistaken in the nature of his Kingdome he maketh answer c Ye know not what you aske He presently sheweth the entertainment of his Kingdome A cup to drinke of that many were like to pray might passe from them but they answer they are able to drinke thereof This their answer as it proved true in all the twelve Apostles so by the providence of God one of these two brothers d James was the first of the rest as some do gather who drank the cup of martyrdome and as some think John was the last of the Apostles Equals look awry on the ambition of their fellows These two were vaine in their high request and the other ten murmured at their presumption a They were moved with indignation saith Saint Matthew b They began to be much displeased saith Saint Marke But by this happy error of these two Apostles our Saviour takes occasion to instruct them and the other ten and in them all other Ministers belonging unto him how far different the pastorall care of his Church is from the power which governeth in Common-wealths Hereupon the Sonne of God calleth unto him all the twelve Apostles saying c Ye know that the Princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion c. d Yet know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise Lordships c. e The Kings of the Gentiles exercise Lordships c. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} But it shall not be so among you This is a statute not to be repealed This is spoken authoritative definitivè it is the determinate Law of a just authority A Canon ordained and irrevocably fixed by the wisdome of God Confirmed by an example above all argument f For the sonne of man came not to be ministred unto but to Minister g I am among you as he that serveth And before this he had taught them that the h Disciple is not above his Master i I have given you an example that you shall do as I have done to you verily verily the servant is not greater then the Lord This ministery being thus performed in humility and without worldly titles The Ministers shall be then exalted Our blessed Saviour in expresse words following saith unto them a I appoint unto you a Kingdome but addeth as my Father hath appointed me Now his owne Kingdome is spirituall or as himselfe said unto Pilate not of this world Let them then renounce temporall and they shall have spirituall honour But some of the Clergy would it seems confound both Kingdomes being ambitious