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A18055 An ansvvere made by Oliuer Carter, Bacheler of Diuinitie: unto certaine popish questions and demaundes Carter, Oliver, 1540?-1605. 1579 (1579) STC 4697; ESTC S108169 79,017 198

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scriptures of the Lawe and of the Gospell accursed be he Whether you haue receiued it by tradition by succession by Councell or by your elders Let ●s I beseeche you neither dallie with God nor dissemble with the worlde ●et vs neither bee led by selfe will nor ●e blinded by our owne affections Let no friend be he neuer so deare vnto vs holde vs backe nor anie remora or stop stay vs from seeking this trueth vnfainedlie where it is to be found wee haue but a short race to runne in ▪ our iourney draweth to an ende we haue a great accompt to make euen before the great iudge who knoweth al secretes the day approcheth which wil be gloming fearfull and terrible except we present our selues before him with a cleare conscience haue on our marriage garment Therefore tender your owne saluation seeke the glorie of GOD come out of Sodom with Lot looke not backe with Lottes wife least you perish Nowe is the accepted time nowe is the day of saluation nowe doeth God offer his graces vnto you if you will embrace the same It is lamentable that you shoulde separate your selfe from GOD sithe hee hath no pleasure in the death of a sinner but rather that hee shoulde repent and amende Call to remembrance euen the principall pointes of your Romish religion and you shall see howe weake a foundation it is to builde vppon You seeke to bee iustified not by faith in the mercies of GOD offered in Christ Iesus but by your owne workes ●nd your meritorious deedes and ther●y you vtterlie reiecte the death and ●assion of Iesus Christ For if anie ●ing had beene in man whereby hee ●ould haue satisfied the wrath of God and haue attained perfect reconciliation with GOD what shoulde Christ neede to haue taken vpon him our nature and to haue suffred such grieuous torments for our sinnes Nay rather you ought to say that seeing mankinde was destitute of all hope of saluation seeing that man was by nature the childe of wrath not able to deserue the least of Gods mercies being adiudged to hell ●re except hee could fulfill the Lawe which was impossible for him to do Sathan being the accuser and God the iust iudge man had bene altogether remedilesse vnlesse Iesus Christ had wrought his redemption in his own body had ●ustained that punishment whiche was ●ue vnto man for sinne You say That ●ur sins are forgiuen vs that we are deli●ered from the same not onely by the Popes ●ardons whom you cal God in earth but also ●y holie water made by your owne brayne As one of your principall Doctours saith It is no vaine inuention saieth he that we hallowe water with salt and prayers that by the sprinkling thereof our sinnes may bee forgiuen And so saith Platina That Alexander the first Pope of that name ordeined water mixt with salt to be hallowed and to be kept in churches and priuate houses to chase away diuels and euill spirites not onelie out of houses where they dwell but also out of the heartes of the faithfull Marke I pray you howe contrarie the doctrine of your Churche of Rome is to the vndouted word of god Esai the Prophet speaking of Christ doeth say that hee was wounded for our sinnes he was broken for our iniquities the chastisemēt of our peace was laid vpon him and by his stripes we are healed So S. Iohn saieth Behold the Lambe of God that taketh away the sinnes of the world S. Peter also saith That there is saluation in none other for among men there is giuen none other name vnder heauen whereby we must be saued Likewise Saint Iohn saieth That the bloud of Iesus Christ doeth purge vs ●rom all sinne So that by these testimo●ies of the holy Ghost it euidentlie ap●eareth that neither pardon nor holie ●ater neither anie other deuise of man i● able to procure the forgiuenesse of our sinnes at the hands of God but onlie Iesus Christ being a faithfull witnesse the first begotten of the dead and Prince of the kings of the earth who hath loued vs ●ashed vs from our sinnes in his own bloud You say that the Masse is a propiciatorie ●acrifice for the quicke and the dead yet Saint Iohn saith that Iesus Christ is the p●●piciatiō for the sinnes of the whole world that is of all those that beleeue Againe Christ by one sacrifice of him selfe once offred hath made perfect for euer those that be sanctified There is no mencion made of your Masse either in the olde or new Testament and it being compared with the institution of our Sauiour Christ in his last supper which Saint Paule doth ●all the communion of the bodie and bloud ●f Christ they differ as much as blacke ●nd white light and darknesse heauen ●nd hell You affirme that the soules of ●uch as haue not made full satisfaction for their sinnes here in this life do after their death goe into Purgatorie fire as you call it a place by the iudgement of your owne writers of as great torments as hell fire it selfe and no difference betwixt them but that the one endureth for a time and the other for euer And in that fire the sillie soules must remaine vntill they bee deliuered from thence by your trentals of Masses but for euerie Trentall your Priest must haue x. s. so that the poore which haue no siluer to giue must lie still for no pennie no Pater noster Marke nowe howe this doctrine agreeth with the doctrine of Christ and of the Apostles Christ saith He that beleeueth in me hath life euerlasting and shal neuer see death but shall passe from death vnto life Hee saieth not He shall go when hee is dead vnto purgatorie The Euangelist saith Blessed are those that die in the Lord for frō henceforth saith the holie Spirit they rest from their labours If they be in rest then not in Purgatorie For there is litle rest or ease by your owne confession And for that you blinde the worlde in perswading them that some men are able ● make full satisfaction for their sinnes in ●is life It is a perillous and a most daungerous doctrine and doeth make the satisfaction of Christ of no force Compare this your assertion with the worde of God and you shall see ▪ howe ●ntrue it is The Apostle Paule saieth ●hat God hath made Christ vnto vs wisedome righteousnesse sanctification and redemption The theefe that had no time to make satisfaction was pertaker of the righteousnesse of Christ vnto whom Christ saide not Thou shalt goe into Purgatorie but thou shalt bee with ●ee this day in Paradise Lazarus who was in the same case was not carried into Purgatorie but into Abrahams bosome What shall I speake of your inuocating or calling on Sainctes of your prayers for the dead of the authoritie of your Church of Rome of your pray●rs and seruice in an vnknowen
we faithfully r●ceiuing the visible and externall signes according to Christ his institution in remembraunce of his death and passion spiritua●ly doe feed vpon the body of Christ a●● receiue the fruites of his death euen remission of our sinnes Other sacramentes we haue no warrant for in the worde of god These sacramentes were onely vsed by Christ and his Apostles and by all their true successours The sacramentes in the olde Testament vnto which anie promise was annexed were these two onely that is circumcision and the Passouer which doe rightly and aptly represent 〈◊〉 two sacramentes set forth in the newe ●●●ament as Baptisme and the Lordes ●●●er which haue bene vsed alwaies ●●●e true Church euer since Christ and ●●●ued of the auncient Fathers as the onely knowne sacramentes appoynted by ●●●rist So Augustine affirmeth That 〈◊〉 Lord the Apostles deliuered vnto ●●●ewe sacraments in steede of manie 〈◊〉 the same to be most easie in doing ●●●st reuerend in vnderstandinge and in ●●●eruation most pure to wit the sacramēts of Baptisme the celebratiō of th● sacrament of the body and blood of ou● Lorde Likewise another sayth The sacramentes of Christ in the catholik● Church are Baptisme and the bod● and bloude of our Lorde Which sacramentes also and all the principle poynte of our true religion Constantine the Christian and godly Emperour and al● his noble successours mightely defended and set forth the same The same Constantine was christened not by the Pope bu● by Eusebius Bishop of Nicomedia no● in a corner but in the presence of many other not popishe but Christian Bishopes Hee ouercame Licinium his sisters husbande who persecuted the Christians The same Constantine summoned a councell at Nice against that blasphemous heritike Arrius And as the historie saith the Emperour before named wrote vnto all the rulers of the Churches that they shoulde be at Nice by a day to the Bishop of the Apostolicke sea to Macarius Bishope of Hierusalem and to Iulius the bishope of Rome In that flourishing time liued sundry godly writers whose bookes nowe extant doe shewe that they embracced the same faith and religion which we at this day do professe touching the Sacramentes iustification by faith onely inuocation to God alone saluation onely by Christ and all other chiefe poyntes of doctrine whose workes if your Romish Church had kept inuiolable and had not corrupted as you did in like manner with the Canonicall books of the Bible you might haue learned a difference betwixt trueth and errour And if you would yet hearken to the doctrine which they doe deliuer they will teach you that your Romish church is a cage of vncleane birdes and that your religion is mingled with all heresies though you charge others with the same fault and that you haue no true discipline but rather crueltie no principall pastor sauing Antichrist no officers but Blood-suckers and no Churche in deede but the Sinagogue of Sathan that cruell mother whiche will needes haue the Childe to be cutte in peeces which spareth no Sexe or kinde no Infant though it bee in the mothers belly no hoare heade nor aged person finally your church hath no truth but falshood and i● wholly imbamed with the heresies of a● ages You take parte with the Iewes an● Pagans you care not with whome yo● shake handes so it be not with Christ or his holy Gospell vnto which you doo beare ● deadly hate And yet you stand vpon you● reputation and would haue men to beleeu● you whatsoeuer you speake Whereas you call our Church A contemptible vnknowne close and secret company at thi● day the Lord be thanked the greater part● of Europe besides the countries I spak● of before doo ioyne together with vs i● one truth of doctrine I would haue yo● to prooue by the worde of God for you● wordes bee no warrant to auentur● our soules vppon your Romish Church to bee the auncient and true Catholike Church and to professe the same faith and doctrine truely which Christ his Apostles left behinde them and that which was in the time of those godly Emperours of Rome and a long tyme after or that Christ did promise to leaue such a Church as should haue on● generall and chiefe Pastor to sit in iudgement to punish offendors and to call a generall councell to try the truth or else we cannot ioyne with you against God and against his sonne Christ For we acknowledge no other principall Pastor but Christ Iesus whom the heauens must conteine vntill the time that all thinges be restored which God hath spokē by the mouth of al his holy prophets since the world began who neuerthelesse is euer present with his Church Papist 7 AGaine I require of the Protestant to declare by good histories or by reasonable likelyhod when the true church as they account theirs to be decaied or in what yeare the religion of the Papistes came in and preuailed Whether all their true Church was so soundly sleeping that none would preach against it euen at the ty●e when it first entred Whether all nations sodeinly and in one yeare were mooued vnto the doctrine of the Papistes no one man of all their true ●hurch either preaching teaching wri●●●g nor attempting any thing against it ● making mention of it Whether all ●●●kes of seruice were altered Whether 〈◊〉 a moment the masse was sayed in steede of their Apostolike communion Whether sodenly men began to pray for soules departed sodenly required the helpe of Saintes in heauen sodeinly the tongue of common praier was altered Tell me in what yeare of our Lorde vnder what Emperour vnder what Pope vppon what occasion this merueilous mutation was made by whome all these thinges were wrought who preached against it what storie maketh mention of it who of al your Pastoures preached against it Was Goddes Churche so voyde of the spirite of truth and strength that euen then when it most flourished it had none that durste open his mouth agaynst suche corruption of religion at the firste entering in of it and when it mighte soone haue beene repressed If it coulde not haue bene stayde tell me in what yeare of our Lorde this mutation was made and who of the true Preachers withstode our doctrine and yf wee note you not by the names euerye one of your captaines and the seuerall errours whiche they taught and the time and yeare when they rose against the receiued truth and the councels wherein they were orderly condemned If I say this canne bee doone on your side towards vs and wee do it not for improofe of your Church and religion I recante And for that purpose because the gouernement of the Bishoppes of Rome is moste misliked of them And yet moste notoriously knowne by euery Historie let them note the Pope that first brake of the course of his forefathers beliefe and Regiment in anie Articles of faith or necessarie Christian vsage And I recant Answeare 7. MY meaning is not to
Church of God by as though Christes Church shoulde bee alwayes knowne and disceened by outwarde offices and functions I haue shewed before at large that the true church of God might be so hiddē the t●ue religion so suppressed that it might in mans iudgement seeme that god had no church at al or else a very smal Church ▪ yet neuerthelesse God hath from time to time sent some Moses some Elias some Ieremie some Baruch or some one or other to represent his true Church to publish his true law gospel to waken the people from sinne that the world might thereby be without al excuse as I haue named some whiche liued in the time of ignorance which diligently preached the Gospell and reprooued the idolatries of your Church There was moreouer certaine godly preachers in Sueuia in the yeare of our Lorde 1240. which preached against the Pope affirming his authoritie to be vsurped and the doctrine of the Churche of Rome to bee corrupt Arnoldus de noua villa a Spanyarde complained that Sathan had seduced the world by your Church of Rome from the truth of Iesu Christ and said That there ought to be no sacrifice for the deade Which your Churche earnestly mainteineth At Brugis were 36. citezens of Moguntia burned for the doctrine of Christ affirming the Pope to be Antichrist Militius a Bohemian a famous and godlie Preacher inueighed against the Churche of Rome saying That Antichrist was alreadie placed Marcilius Patauius Gulielmus Ockam Iohannes Gandauensis Luitpoldus Andraeas Laudensis Aligerius Gregorius Arminensis Andraeas de castro Buridianus mainteined all the Gospell against the Popes proceedinges Dante 's an Italian writer in his booke called The canticle of Purgatory declareth the Pope to be the whore of Babylon Tauterus a Preacher of Germanie preached against mans merites and Inuocation to Saintes Franciscus Petrarcha about the same time did write an Italian meeter affirming Rome to be the whore of Babylon the schoole and mother of errour the temple of heresie the nest of al trecherie Iohannes de Rupe scissa Anno 1340. did write that Rome was Babilon and the Pope the minister of Antichriste Conradus Hager taught twentie foure yeares togeather the masse to be no sacrifice that monie taken for Masses was verie robberie and sacriledge Iohannes Mountziger Rector of the vniuersitie of Vlme disputed in open schooles against your Popishe doctrine And at the same time Nilus Byshoppe of Thessalonica preached and also wrote a booke against the Pope and the Churche of Rome whiche booke is now extant in English Truely there passed no age since Christ as it appeareth by the histories in which Christes Gospell hath not bene preached by some one or other either priuately in the times of persecution or publikely in the peaceable times and tranquilitie of the Churche when propheciyng of whiche Paule speaketh and other godlie exercises hath beene vsed But howe the true Churche may be knowen it is manifest surely euen in the Scriptures of God in whiche we learne Christ in which we may learn the church by which we may know the difference betwixte the true and false Church S. Chris saith At this time all Christians ought to flee vnto the Scriptures Because since heresies inuaded the Churche there can be no triall of true Christianitie neither can Christians which be willing to know the true faith haue anie refuge sauing the Scriptures Againe he saieth he that coueteth to knowe which is the true Church howe shall he know it but onely by the Scriptures The Church of God I meane euerie faithfull congregation in the time of peace and quietnesse doth vse preaching Christian and profitable exercises and discipline as Gods name be thanked wee haue at this day especially in all reformed Churches and we haue had since Christes ascention your Churche hath alwaies persecuted the true Churche by fire and faggotte and other exquisite tormentes If I may be so bolde I woulde aske one question of you Whether the true Churche of God did euer from the beginning persecute or that it hath bene persecuted You will I thinke confesse with me that Caine a figure of the malignant church did murder his innocent brother Abell an image of the true Churche that Ismael persecuted Isaac Esawe Iacob Saul Dauid the false Prophetes the true Prophetes the vngodlie Pharisies Christe the Messias the false Apostles the true Apostles the cruell tyrantes in the primitiue Churche the faythfull Christians and to conclude your Romishe Churche the true Churche and professoures of the Gospell And this thing was forewarned by our sa●iour Christe That in the worlde his churche shoulde haue tribulation that the worlde shoulde reioyce and his children shoulde be sadde that if the false Churche had persecuted the Lorde it shoulde in like manner persecute the seruaunt and that they whiche shoulde persecute the Churche of God shoulde perswade themselues that they do God good seruice Saint Augustine speaking of the persecution in the primitiue Church saith They were bounde they were imprisoned they were beaten they were ●acked they were burned and yet they multiplied And Iustinus Martyr sheweth what he thought of those whiche suffered being yet an Ethnike When saith he I herd that the Christians were accused and reuiled of all men and yet sawe them goe to their death and to all manner terrible and cruell torments quietly and without feare I thought with my selfe it was not possible that suche men shoulde liue in anie wickednesse But to returne to your Churche we may say truely that you neuer had nor vsed in your Churche rightly according to the worde of GOD either preaching prophesiyng or discipline as for prophesying vsed by the Apostles and all other godlie reformed Churches your Church of Rome neuer vsed If you meane by the spirite of prophesiyng which you chalenge as of right to your church the forewarning of thinges to come which office was ceased in the Church then take heede least by your owne confession you bewraye your church to bee that Sinagogue of Sathan of which our Sauiour Christ geueth vs warning that with signes and wonders if it were possible shoulde deceiue the electe You preached very seldom not in time and out of time as Paule admonished his scholler Timothie and when you preached you preached not Christ and his death to bee the onely raunsome for our sinnes but your owne workes and meritorious deedes not Christes Gospell but your Legend of lyes and your vaine and supersticious traditions for whiche you had no warrant in Gods booke The law of God and his true worship was either altogeather abolished or else most wickedly corrupted before the times of king Iosias Helias did also renue the same beeing before his time decaied ●t seemeth in like māner that the people of ●e Iewes were fallen from God when ●s they said vnto Ieremy The words that ●ou hast spoken vnto vs in the name of
the comming of Christ sauing Iohn Bap●iste and he thirty yeares of age before hee preached was there no churche or was Gods spirite decayed and his trueth van●uished all this while ▪ God forbid that ●ee shoulde bee so rashe in iudgement as ●nce to thinke so For Gods spirite which ●s the cōforter of the faithful hath instruc●ed the churche of God whether it hath appeared or bene hidde whether it hath beene close or open whether in manie or ●n fewe euer since the beginning So Christe Iesus hath promised that his spirit shoulde remaine with the children of God though the wicked would not receiue him because they see him not neither knowe him The comfortable Spirite of God doeth woorke saluation ●oth adopt into Gods fauoure doth puri●●e our heartes doeth moue vs to all good and godlie actions doth comforte vs in al daungers and confirmeth vs to expecte the comming of our sauiour Christ Therfore to this spirite with the Father and the Sonne be all honour laude and praise Papist 16 SHewe me againe whether anie man can be saued except he beleeue the catholike Church and that is it which in the face of all the world hath practised preaching the conuersion of nations to the obedience of the Gospell that hath alwayes had the ministring of the Sacramentes the hearing of matters in cōtrouersie the orderly succession of Bishoppes vniformitie in solemne ceremonies vnitie in faith that hath in her selfe all holy functions of the spirite a woorking of miracles remission of sinnes the true sense and interpretation of Gods word that is beawtified with diuersitie of states commended by Christ in the Gospell as with virgins martirs with confessors and the rest Prooue vnto me that this is not the true Church or that we be bounde to obey this Church and none other in all controuersies and doubts raised by the difficultie of the scripture or by the vaine contention and pride of heresie And I recant Answeare 16 Suppose that there was neuer any man which would looke to haue saluation by ●ods mercies in Christ that euer denied ●e Church of god So we beleeue that ●od hath had his Church euer since the ●ginning which Church is the Company ● the faithfull dispersed through out the ●ce of the whole earth which church is the ●ouse of Christ builded vppon the doctrine ● the Apostles and Prophets Christ him ●fe beeing the heade corner stone Yet ●e vtterly denye your Church of Rome to ● this true Church of god The reasons ●d causes why we will not close handes ● agree with your Church be these First ●ur Church dooth refuse Christ Iesus to ● her head in that she setteth vp her Pope ● be her head wherin she wil be gouerned ● all things euen against gods holy word ●erefore your Church is not of god That ●hrist is the heade of the true church not ● but the spirit of God testifieth that God ●ath appointed Christ ouer all things ● be the head to the Church which is ●s body And again The husband is the ●yues head euen as Christ is the heade ●f the Church and he is the same which ●eueth saluation vnto his body Your church appointeth otherwaies to be saue● by then onely Christes death and passion yea doth persecute Christ in his members taketh away the key of knowledge whi● is the woorde of God from Gods people for that ye wil not suffer them to haue it ● their knowne tongue you feede them n● with the sweete pastures of the holy scriptures but with the dregges of your blind Ceremonies and vayne traditions yo● teach them to pray in a straunge languag● to woorship the creature in steede ● the Creator you mixe the woorde of Go● with your owne deuises not to the benefite of Gods people but to get mony an● to enrich your selues with the spoile ● their soules You sett out all your practises as you call them to sale For of you● church it is saide Omnia Romae vaenalia● All thinges are to bee had for monye a● Rome The Poet saith That Temple● Priestes altars sacrifices crownes fier● frankencense yea heauen is to be sold● and God him selfe But you giue smal● credit vnto this author Will you hear● what one of your approoued doctors saith Roma dat omnbus omnia dantibus omnia Romae cum praecio Rome doth ●iue to al men which doo giue all things ●o her all thinges are there to be had for ●ony at Rome Your owne decretales ●y That Rome is the head of coueteous●esse and therefore all thinges are there ●o be solde Your Popedome is in part ●ainteined with the tribute of Curtesans ●r common stues which is the rewarde of ●niquitie Thus you forbid lawfull matri●onie and mainteine open lecherie And ●hereas you would haue the worlde to be●eeue that your Church of Rome hath alwayes had the due and right administrati●n of the Sacramentes vnitie in faith or●erly succession of Bishoppes euen from Peter vniformitie in solempne ceremonies ●ebating of matters in controuersie all holy functions commended by Christ as virgins martirs and confessors and that all Churches are bound to obey the Church of Rome in all controuersies and doubtes raysed by the difficulty of the scriptures it shall appeare to all men that these are but vaine ostentations and shewes without truth But you wil aske me who shal iudge this matter for sometimes you stay vpon Counceles sometimes vppon Fathers sometimes vpō customes Truly I would but wishe you and euery indifferent reader to examine whether your masse doe agree worde by worde with the last supper of our sauiour Christe You haue culle● foorth these woordes Hoc est corpus meum This is my bodie And therevppo● haue framed your masse The wordes be comfortable if you would take thē in a spirituall sense and meaning to signifie vnto vs the bodie of Christe as the godlie Father Augustine doth expouude those same woordes Non dubitauit dominus dicere hoc est corpus meum cum daret signum corporis sui Our Lord saieth hee doubted not to say This is my bodie when as he gaue a signe of his bodie Likewise Tertullian saith Hoc est corpus meum hoc est figura corporis mei ▪ This is my bodie that is to say This is a figure of my body But what shal I speak of al the abuses of your masse as the consecration the eleuation the aduocation the priuate receiuing the vnknowen tongue the ministration in one kinde keeping the ●uppe from the Laie people making it a propiciatorie sacrifice for the quicke and dead which all are moste contrarie vnto Christe his institution in his last supper Furthermore you haue corrupted Baptisme and haue deuised fiue other Sacra●entes more then Christe hath ordained ●d appointed in his worde Touhcing your succession of bishopes ●d vnitie in religion they are two things ●hich sound verie well together If so bee ●u can proue your succession out of the ●orde